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U.S. mulls entry into Israel-Hezbollah conflict

By Michael Matza
The Philadelphia Inquirer

JERUSALEM - As the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah enters its second week, it appears there will be no peace without U.S. intervention.

While Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has made long-distance efforts to calm the crisis that began with the abduction of two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid from Lebanon, she said Tuesday she would not go to the region until the time was right.
Some analysts interpret the apparent absence of urgency as tacit support for Israel to continue its military campaign.

"The United States will allow Israel to go on pounding Hezbollah and its strongholds until the group says, `Uncle,'" said Israeli analyst Amatzia Baram. "Then Uncle Sam will step in."

When the United States fully engages its diplomatic machinery, it will work in tandem with Israel as good cop and bad cop.

"Most of the Arabs see us as the bad boy," said Baram, alluding to Israel's reputation for militarism. "The only one who can tame us is the United States. In this way the U.S. has a lot of leverage, and American diplomacy can be a huge value."

Beyond wanting to defuse the crisis, the United States has its own interests. It defines Hezbollah as a terrorist organization and needs to see it disarmed.

Given U.S. struggles in Iraq and Afghanistan, a defeat of Hezbollah "could be the first breakthrough in the struggle against radical Islamic terrorism," Baram said.

Recognizing the stakes, Muslim regimes with their own homegrown radical Islamist movements are speaking out against Hezbollah. Egypt and Jordan were to be expected, but this time Saudi Arabia is, too.

While Hezbollah will not bow without a fight, its strength has been eroded by Israel's fierce response to its missile strikes on Israel's north.

Military planners say it is only a matter of time before Israel knocks out Hezbollah or drives it so far north that its ability to hit Israeli targets is neutralized. A weak Hezbollah would be easier to deal with in negotiations when the United States becomes fully engaged.
With more than 250 people dead, most of them Lebanese, and mounting civilian casualties on both sides, the international community, led by special envoys of the United Nations, is making hurried diplomatic efforts that could produce an eventual cease-fire.
The U.N. delegation, which is expected to report back to the Security Council Wednesday, was in Israel for talks Tuesday, after a similar mission in Lebanon.

Afterward, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni gave her interpretation of the meeting.
"The diplomatic process is not intended to reduce the window of opportunity for military operations, but will take place in parallel," she said, emphasizing that Israel had no intention, for now, of pulling back its forces.

While the envoys declined to make public their initiatives, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, with the support of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and French Premier Dominique de Villepin, favors deploying a large, multinational force of peacekeepers to create a buffer zone that would stop attacks on Israel and permit the Lebanese army to deploy on country's southern frontier.

Since the end of the Lebanese civil war in 1990, Lebanon has left the policing of its southern border to Hezbollah.
About 2,000 lightly armed multinational peacekeeping troops of UNIFIL - the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon - have been in the area since 1978 but have been toothless against sporadic violence.

"The best result is for Hezbollah to be disarmed. Practically speaking, there is no chance of that right now," said Baram, a professor of Mideast history in Haifa, Israel's third-largest city, which has been hit by Hezbollah missiles.

"The second-best option is for a powerful international force - and by powerful, I mean at least 10,000 troops with tanks, not just jeeps, and full authority to shoot to kill," Baram said. " . . . Otherwise they become a shield behind which Hezbollah can kill us."
Cameron Brown, a specialist in U.S.-Israel relations at the Interdisciplinary Center, an academic institute north of Tel Aviv, said: "The United States will make it appear that diplomacy is on the horizon in order to give the military a few more days to play itself out.
"Instead of using diplomacy to stop the fighting, they will use it to buy more time for the army to work," he said, adding that the work would include stepped-up efforts to kill Hezbollah's leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.

The military theorist Carl von Clausewitz defined war as "the continuation of policy with other means," Brown said, "and that is exactly what I think we are seeing here."
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U.S. mulls entry into Israel-Hezbollah conflict

"The United States will allow Israel to go on pounding Hezbollah and its strongholds until the group says, `Uncle,'" said Israeli analyst Amatzia Baram. "Then Uncle Sam will step in."

Beyond wanting to defuse the crisis, the United States has its own interests. It defines Hezbollah as a terrorist organization and needs to see it disarmed.

While Hezbollah will not bow without a fight, its strength has been eroded by Israel's fierce response to its missile strikes on Israel's north.

Military planners say it is only a matter of time before Israel knocks out Hezbollah or drives it so far north that its ability to hit Israeli targets is neutralized. A weak Hezbollah would be easier to deal with in negotiations when the United States becomes fully engaged.


The military theorist Carl von Clausewitz defined war as "the continuation of policy with other means," Brown said, "and that is exactly what I think we are seeing here."
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The current action by Israel is a strategy indeed, but one which will have negative outcomes for itself.

Hezbolla will not ask for U.S. intervention, it is not calling for ceasefire. The vast majoirty of casualities that Israel has inflicted has been civilians and some Lebanese army personel. Hezbolla casualities has been low in the airstrikes.

This Israeli action has severely damaged U.S. interests in the middle east, whether it be stabilising Iraq, stopping Irans nuclear program or spreading pro-u.s. feelings.

Hezbolla has not been weakened by the airstrikes, but the current invasion by Israeli land forces will inflict high casualites but this will be fought on favourable terms to Hezbolla and thus already we are seeing Israeli casualities from the ground offensive.

It is a misconception that a weak Hezbolla will be easier to deal with diplomatically, this same idiotic notion hasnt worked with Hamas.

What we are seeing is the continuation of policy (with fighting) for short term political gain on the part of the Israeli PM which can only have a sorry ending for all parties.
 
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Officer of Engineers said:
I counted 20 craters where Hezbolla positions USED to be. Casualties are light my foot.


Hello friend :army: , you are very right ,Israelis just lost their first F-16I Soufa during take-off for a Lebenon mission.
 
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Officer of Engineers said:
I counted 20 craters where Hezbolla positions USED to be. Casualties are light my foot.
Probably 200 more where the civillian populations are. I wish I was on WAB, would've had some nice times with Confed over this.

Btw, guys Dr. Shahid Masood reached Beirut yesterday, he was reporting on ARY ONE World... The Lebanese resolve is great, it was astounding to see the number of people staying put. One guy in his twenties comes up and says that they must now win the war at all cost, civillians are being targetted anyway but they must not lose or else its all over.

Pretty much seems like a war of defence. And I guess the Lebanese would be the first people to fart on statements from Israel like "We're doing this to liberate the Lebanese people". The only thing its done is unite the Lebanese with the Hezbollah.
 
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sigatoka said:
The current action by Israel is a strategy indeed, but one which will have negative outcomes for itself.

Hezbolla will not ask for U.S. intervention, it is not calling for ceasefire. The vast majoirty of casualities that Israel has inflicted has been civilians and some Lebanese army personel. Hezbolla casualities has been low in the airstrikes.

This Israeli action has severely damaged U.S. interests in the middle east, whether it be stabilising Iraq, stopping Irans nuclear program or spreading pro-u.s. feelings.

Hezbolla has not been weakened by the airstrikes, but the current invasion by Israeli land forces will inflict high casualites but this will be fought on favourable terms to Hezbolla and thus already we are seeing Israeli casualities from the ground offensive.

It is a misconception that a weak Hezbolla will be easier to deal with diplomatically, this same idiotic notion hasnt worked with Hamas.

What we are seeing is the continuation of policy (with fighting) for short term political gain on the part of the Israeli PM which can only have a sorry ending for all parties.

You keep on pointing out Hisbullah has not been armed?Did u read that anywhere..or is it just a figment of imagination.
 
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Asim Aquil said:
Probably 200 more where the civillian populations are. I wish I was on WAB, would've had some nice times with Confed over this.

Btw, guys Dr. Shahid Masood reached Beirut yesterday, he was reporting on ARY ONE World... The Lebanese resolve is great, it was astounding to see the number of people staying put. One guy in his twenties comes up and says that they must now win the war at all cost, civillians are being targetted anyway but they must not lose or else its all over.

Pretty much seems like a war of defence. And I guess the Lebanese would be the first people to fart on statements from Israel like "We're doing this to liberate the Lebanese people". The only thing its done is unite the Lebanese with the Hezbollah.

Win the war against Israel..get real.

With what WW-2 era rockets...They might be good at ambushes and that alone cant win wars.Israel on the other hand can turn the clock back 50 yrs without even putting a foot inside Lebenon and that wud eliminate the ambush adv that hisbullah had.

HIsbullah's surprise would increase among arabs after this.
 
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Colonel,

Iran is suspected to be arming Hezbollah with missiles and artillerie, yet no other missliles than the Katyusha has been fired.
What asstets does Hezbollah have that could harm Israel?
 
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