US lawmakers strongly oppose weapon sales to ‘snitch’ Pakistan

[RealNapster]

US lawmakers strongly oppose weapon sales to ‘snitch’ Pakistan

The Obama administration proposes to sell eight new F-16 jets to Pakistan – each worth an estimated $165 million – and is due to formally notify Congress about it any day now.


US lawmakers on Wednesday used very strong language to oppose the sale of armament to Pakistan, arguing it cannot be trusted because of its continued support for terrorism.

One lawmaker called it a “snitch” in the context of why the US didn’t inform Pakistan before the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad in May 2011.

Another member called Pakistan a “Benedict Arnold” ally, referencing an American general who switched sides during the War of Independence to join the British.

They were at a hearing of the US House of Representatives’ foreign affairs committee called to review counter-terrorism ties with Pakistan in the light of the San Bernardino shootings. Tashfeen Malik and her husband Syed Rizwan Farook, both of Pakistani origin, shot and killed 14 people in the attack.

“I doubt that anyone who follows Pakistan closely was surprised to learn that one of the San Bernardino attackers – Tashfeen Malik – studied at a Pakistani school spreading a particularly fundamentalist message,” committee chairman Ed Royce said in his opening remarks.

Announcing the hearing last week, the committee said it would look at US aid to Pakistan – $30 billion since September 11, 2001, according to a lawmaker.

The Obama administration proposes to sell eight new F-16 jets to Pakistan – each worth an estimated $165 million – and is due to formally notify Congress about it any day now.

Ted Poe, a Republican member of the House of Representatives, opposed the sale at the hearing, saying Pakistan had scrambled its F-16s after the Abbottabad raid.

A raid, Poe said, about which the US did not give Pakistan an advance warning as they would “snitch us off and Osama bin Laden would have left”.

“We need to be very concerned about providing armaments for Pakistan who seems to play all the sides,” he added.

Dana Rohrabacher, another Republican member of the House used Benedict Arnold to portray Pakistan as an untrustworthy ally completely undeserving of American aid.

“The clique that runs that country is treating us like suckers and they should,” he said, “because…we are giving people money who have continually involved themselves in acts harmful” to the US.

The lawmakers expressed concern about Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, which is expected to become the world’s third largest by 2025, according to a recent study.

US lawmakers strongly oppose weapon sales to ‘snitch’ Pakistan | world | Hindustan Times

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[Sipahi]

So you agree you use terrorism as tactic against other nations and as Musharraf confessed.. Good.

You always left with a choice, and that choice was to not be supportive of terrorists. Repercussions of not doing so resulted in an implosion into Pakistan. All of this got you what?- Notoriety as a terrorist supporting nation, and you lost on both objectives! ( Afghan and Kashmir)

We have heard for years repeatedly high ranking US officials blaming Pakistan for supporting Haqqani network.

US can prove Pakistan’s ties with Haqqanis - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
US slams Pakistan for 'supporting' Haqqani - Al Jazeera English
US finds action against Haqqani network inadequate - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
U.S. says Pakistan's ISI supported Kabul embassy attack| Reuters
Pakistan backed attacks on American targets, U.S. says - The Washington Post
U.S. Threatens to Withhold Pakistan Aid - WSJ



LOL seems you don't understand American nuance or the language. She is talking about Afghan Mujahideen we created and some of these radical islamist got in there too. She speaking of radical Islam and how we should have be aware f it. You forget USSR was at your door step- you wanted us to help and fund the resistance too.

But for you it is never the muslims who do this, NO NO- infact per you- you are a bunch of such weak minded people where if with america tells you to kill - you will. This why Trump says we need to be wary of muslims like you. Always with the excuse making and blaming on others

Afghan Mujaheddin re branded themselves as Taliban, US funded them, train them, ISI helped them... rest is useless.

 

[yolo2016]

Afghan Mujaheddin re branded themselves as Taliban, US funded them, train them, ISI helped them... rest is useless.

Nope. US was already out of there and in fact had sanctions imposed on Pakistan when ISI created the Taliban. You Pakistanis need to seriously know more about your history.

 

[Sipahi]

Nope. US was already out of there and in fact had sanctions imposed on Pakistan when ISI created the Taliban. You Pakistanis need to seriously know more about your history.

Yes, you invited all the mess of the world on our door step and left it. What your leadership was thinking , we will buy them a ticket for home ?????

Copied from @Irfan Baloch

The Afghans from Northern Alliance by far have been the most successful in dealing with the Americans... they got nothing to show from their part. squandered billions of dollars of American dollars right in front of their faces and then showed the audacity to criticize the apologetic Americans as well as if they did some favor to Americans by accepting their money.

now I don't advocate deceit and free loading but in a way I wonder if it serves Americans best they love their partners who screw them. Pakistanis on the other side before and after Afghan war and WoT have been worse off, lost part of the country, lost tens of thousands of lives, suffered billions of losses and also got humiliated, insulted, dismissed and mocked by the Yanks and we (mostly) got our own leadership to blame.

 

[wiseone2]

guilty by association lol. very heartfelt and emotional arguments right from the bollywood movie.
Indian lobby must spend more money so that such opposition doesnt fail yet again when despite everything the sales did take place.

India has nothing to do with anti-Pakistan mood in Congress

Nope. US was already out of there and in fact had sanctions imposed on Pakistan when ISI created the Taliban. You Pakistanis need to seriously know more about your history.

facts do not count in fantasy world of the pakistanis especially their establishment

Afghan Mujaheddin re branded themselves as Taliban, US funded them, train them, ISI helped them... rest is useless.

Afghan Mujaheddin re branded themselves as Taliban, US funded them, train them, ISI helped them... rest is useless.

when was the Taliban created ? When did America cut off aid to Pakistan impose sanctions ?

 

[yolo2016]

Yes, you invited all the mess of the world on our door step and left it. What your leadership was thinking , we will buy them a ticket for home ?????

Copied from @Irfan Baloch

The Afghans from Northern Alliance by far have been the most successful in dealing with the Americans... they got nothing to show from their part. squandered billions of dollars of American dollars right in front of their faces and then showed the audacity to criticize the apologetic Americans as well as if they did some favor to Americans by accepting their money.

now I don't advocate deceit and free loading but in a way I wonder if it serves Americans best they love their partners who screw them. Pakistanis on the other side before and after Afghan war and WoT have been worse off, lost part of the country, lost tens of thousands of lives, suffered billions of losses and also got humiliated, insulted, dismissed and mocked by the Yanks and we (mostly) got our own leadership to blame.

You are free to create your version of history and Pakistanis are known for being prone to conspiracies . Rest of the world knows that Pakistan's problem is the result of a continued support of "good terrorist" as a foreign policy tool.

 

[Sipahi]

India has nothing to do with anti-Pakistan mood in Congress



facts do not count in fantasy world of the pakistanis especially their establishment




when was the Taliban created ? When did America cut off aid to Pakistan impose sanctions ?

Taliban In 1991, sanctions activated in 1990

 

[Umair Nawaz]

So you agree you use terrorism as tactic against other nations and as Musharraf confessed.. Good.

You always left with a choice, and that choice was to not be supportive of terrorists. Repercussions of not doing so resulted in an implosion into Pakistan. All of this got you what?- Notoriety as a terrorist supporting nation, and you lost on both objectives! ( Afghan and Kashmir)

We have heard for years repeatedly high ranking US officials blaming Pakistan for supporting Haqqani network.

US can prove Pakistan’s ties with Haqqanis - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
US slams Pakistan for 'supporting' Haqqani - Al Jazeera English
US finds action against Haqqani network inadequate - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
U.S. says Pakistan's ISI supported Kabul embassy attack| Reuters
Pakistan backed attacks on American targets, U.S. says - The Washington Post
U.S. Threatens to Withhold Pakistan Aid - WSJ



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LOL cut this drama would u.... Yr own country n its unsikable ally Israel supports terrorism even ore that what we have supported ever. How do u think TTP and LeJ came into existence? Who was Raymond Davis? Yr own Negro Ponte had written a book saying how CIA had planted its own white spies into the Pakistan's west and in Afghanistan to creat such organizations. Even Daesh is funded and armed by yr own government openly these days. Even in Pakistan the Daesh people arrested have acknowledged that. fact. After Been Introgated By ISI, ISIS Leader Admits We Are Being Funded By The Obama Administration

And now yr trying to build an alliance to fight against them just as a show off since Russia has came into the game, while u just an year ago didnt even wanted to fight them? Even Pakistan has twice rejected yr offer to join that alliance now. Since we have seen u guys and yr seriousness in treating yr own so called allies and then backstabbing them yrselves, and when they give u a doze of yr owm medicine then u start bitching that they r those who play double games etc

Coming from a background where yr taught in yr universities and schools that yr the greatest nation and a world champ on freedoms n rights etc........while not even bothering to know that if that claim is acknowledged worldwide too or it is yr own self praise thingy.... Then going to other countries to invade them and destroy them in the name of same so called ''guaranteeing freedom n liberty'' slogans etc etc which yr public buys. And when u face their resistance and their spirits which drive their will to fight against foreign occupiers invading their homelands u call them terrorists. Well u may call those people terrorists but in reality for their own people and for the people of that region they are called freedom fighters, whether u like it or not thats how it is. Its like Nazis calling the partisans of WW2 terrorists.

Because thats true that For Nazis the partisans were terrorists, same way for u these people of Afghanistan, those taliban r terrorists or for Israel the Hamas or Hizbullah r terrorists. They arnt like Daesh where foreigners r fighting for them, the taliban r only Afghans or the pashtoons from the border areas of Pakistan who are sympathetic to their cause because they have family relations with those people. This is the ground situation here. Now dont expect us to go against our own people if u cant even abide by yr commitment in the first place. BTW will America go against the bulk of its citizens because Pakistan says so? Certainly not.

So stop playing holly.......And be a moral judge of other when yr worst in all of humanity, today u decide who becomes Nuke power or not and who can become a NSG member or not.......While yr the ones who have used the atom bombs not ones but twice on others not Russia, China and certainly not Pakistan.

The above was the response to the bold part for rest; If u yrself wont abide by yr commitments and give space to others in our backyard that too to those which r our enemies then we also ave options buddy! Pakistan isnt some Middle Eastern Country like Syria or Iraq, we have been ruling this region on our own since the entire good part of last century. We arnt some Tom Dick Harry type country which can be rolled over. So if u come here by yourself and ask us to help yrself and then dont abide by the obligations u had with us in order to get transit routes and become part of this fight as yr ally, while if that wasnt enough u have give too much space in our backyard to our enemies who use those lands against us as well as u sell them weapons too which will be used against us as well in future, then u will PAY A PRIZE!

Now if u arm my enemy and befriend them so much that u have became the largest weapons exporter to them then dont forget we will also not stay quit. We will also take necessary steps to safe guard our national security because to us priority is our National security and our national interests not yrs same like for u its not important what is our interest or our national security. Nobody is yr slave here.

U shouldnt have came in this region and got yrself in such a position in this first place, where u had to give space to our enemy and get wrath of yr own ally. Our alliance would have took place if u had not come here. So we r not the ones to blame here because we didnt started it.

Still if u have concrete proof about this Haqqani network then ask yr government to present it. Case closed.

 

[Sipahi]

You are free to create your version of history and Pakistanis are known for being prone to conspiracies . Rest of the world knows that Pakistan's problem is the result of a continued support of "good terrorist" as a foreign policy tool.

That's what I am saying, first you call all the extremist of the world in Afghanistan to wage a war on Russia, once Russia retract and lost half of the country and influence, you left just like that ... leaving all the terrorists on our door step ??

What we supposed to do with those 300 thousand + extremists ??? Its your very own medicine which is not curing you anymore

 

[yolo2016]

LOL cut this drama would u.... Yr own country n its unsikable ally Israel supports terrorism even ore that what we have supported ever. How do u think TTP and LeJ came into existence? Who was Raymond Davis? Yr own Negro Ponte had written a book saying how CIA had planted its own white spies into the Pakistan's west and in Afghanistan to creat such organizations. Even Daesh is funded and armed by yr own government openly these days. Even in Pakistan the Daesh people arrested have acknowledged that. fact. After Been Introgated By ISI, ISIS Leader Admits We Are Being Funded By The Obama Administration

And now yr trying to build an alliance to fight against them just as a show off since Russia has came into the game, while u just an year ago didnt even wanted to fight them? Even Pakistan has twice rejected yr offer to join that alliance now. Since we have seen u guys and yr seriousness in treating yr own so called allies and then backstabbing them yrselves, and when they give u a doze of yr owm medicine then u start bitching that they r those who play double games etc

Coming from a background where yr taught in yr universities and schools that yr the greatest nation and a world champ on freedoms n rights etc........while not even bothering to know that if that claim is acknowledged worldwide too or it is yr own self praise thingy.... Then going to other countries to invade them and destroy them in the name of same so called ''guaranteeing freedom n liberty'' slogans etc etc which yr public buys. And when u face their resistance and their spirits which drive their will to fight against foreign occupiers invading their homelands u call them terrorists. Well u may call those people terrorists but in reality for their own people and for the people of that region they are called freedom fighters, whether u like it or not thats how it is. Its like Nazis calling the partisans of WW2 terrorists.

Because thats true that For Nazis the partisans were terrorists, same way for u these people of Afghanistan, those taliban r terrorists or for Israel the Hamas or Hizbullah r terrorists. They arnt like Daesh where foreigners r fighting for them, the taliban r only Afghans or the pashtoons from the border areas of Pakistan who are sympathetic to their cause because they have family relations with those people. This is the ground situation here. Now dont expect us to go against our own people if u cant even abide by yr commitment in the first place. BTW will America go against the bulk of its citizens because Pakistan says so? Certainly not.

So stop playing holly.......And be a moral judge of other when yr worst in all of humanity, today u decide who becomes Nuke power or not and who can become a NSG member or not.......While yr the ones who have used the atom bombs not ones but twice on others not Russia, China and certainly not Pakistan.

The above was the response to the bold part for rest; If u yrself wont abide by yr commitments and give space to others in our backyard that too to those which r our enemies then we also ave options buddy! Pakistan isnt some Middle Eastern Country like Syria or Iraq, we have been ruling this region on our own since the entire good part of last century. We arnt some Tom Dick Harry type country which can be rolled over. So if u come here by yourself and ask us to help yrself and then dont abide by the obligations u had with us in order to get transit routes and become part of this fight as yr ally, while if that wasnt enough u have give too much space in our backyard to our enemies who use those lands against us as well as u sell them weapons too which will be used against us as well in future, then u will PAY A PRIZE!

Now if u arm my enemy and befriend them so much that u have became the largest weapons exporter to them then dont forget we will also not stay quit. We will also take necessary steps to safe guard our national security because to us priority is our National security and our national interests not yrs same like for u its not important what is our interest or our national security. Nobody is yr slave here.

U shouldnt have came in this region and got yrself in such a position in this first place, where u had to give space to our enemy and get wrath of yr own ally. Our alliance would have took place if u had not come here. So we r not the ones to blame here because we didnt started it.

Still if u have concrete proof about this Haqqani network then ask yr government to present it. Case closed.

You really did not have to write 5 paragraphs of gibberish to tell me in every paragraph that this all a conspiracy against you guys. We've established that you pakistanis are uniquely prone to blaming everyone else and to always follow some conspiracy. This is the best example I can give you. If 9 out 10 people say you are supporting training terrorists and 1 out 10 say it is the Ameriki doing it. You will choose that 1 person out 10. The funny part of it is that your own Generals, defense minister, politicians confess to it openly to following 'good terrorist' policy

That's what I am saying, first you call all the extremist of the world in Afghanistan to wage a war on Russia, once Russia retract and lost half of the country and influence, you left just like that ... leaving all the terrorists on our door step ??

What we supposed to do with those 300 thousand + extremists ??? Its your very own medicine which is not curing you anymore

You seem to miss another historical point. we did not call anyone, we asked you to create a resistance. You were afraid of USSR on your borders, then you called upon your fellow muslims - we funded you.

Then you went on create more terrorist groups after that war(taliban), employed wahhabis among them- all in the name of perceived Indian presence.

Then as a country you opened up radicals madarasa's with Saudi money, changed your constitution (remember ZIa) to go towards accepting that radical version of Islam. Then you created terror groups to attack kashmir and continue to use terrorism as foreign policy tool.

You sir, have to look at you own military and ISI for creating this cluster you know what... blaming americans from 1985 only works among the excuse making crowd within Pakistan.

“We are the United States of Amnesia (USA), we learn nothing because we remember nothing.” -Gore Vidal

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We wish we had been more like Pakistan and emulated it's successful status, and reputation instead. Thanks for quoting us.

 

[Sipahi]

You really did not have to write 5 paragraphs of gibberish to tell me in every paragraph that this all a conspiracy against you guys. We've established that you pakistanis are uniquely prone to blaming everyone else and to always follow some conspiracy. This is the best example I can give you. If 9 out 10 people say you are supporting training terrorists and 1 out 10 say it is the Ameriki doing it. You will choose that 1 person out 10. The funny part of it is that your own Generals, defense minister, politicians confess to it openly to following 'good terrorist' policy



You seem to miss another historical point. we did not call anyone, we asked you to create a resistance. You were afraid of USSR on your borders, then you called upon your fellow muslims - we funded you.

Then you went on create more terrorist groups after that war(taliban), employed wahhabis among them- all in the name of perceived Indian presence.

Then as a country you opened up radicals madarasa's with Saudi money, changed your constitution (remember ZIa) to go towards accepting that radical version of Islam. Then you created terror groups to attack kashmir and continue to use terrorism as foreign policy tool.

You sir, have to look at you own military and ISI for creating this cluster you know what... blaming americans from 1985 only works among the excuse making crowd within Pakistan.

The Question was who started and who funded ?

US was pioneer and according to President Ronald they were moral equivalent of America;s founding fathers.

 

[Hyperion]

Try to learn how the US operates. One word. Lobbying. If you can somehow understand the breadth and depth of that single word, and you are ready to throw insane amount of money at it, you can have the American Senate recite "The Kalma" everyday.

So nothing to do with US policy makers, yet everything to do with the Indian Lobby.

No wonder, if this is the level of intellect shown b US policy makers, Their foreign policies constantly backfires w.r.t fighting a war against terrorism.

 

[yolo2016]

I actually deleted my response to this thread because It was going down the drain anyways ... but since you did quote me ... I suppose I should do this...

From what I see in your responses the general belief system of yours is that the US never did anything wrong ... it was ALL Pakistan ... yet you admit to Funding the Mujahideen ... You forget you were the ones arming them too ... I guess you also forgot that little piece of foreign policy that was originally developed by the NSA of Carter who served from 77-81 and this was then translated in to the "Regan doctrine" as we know it ... and ofcourse you never mention it or are oblivious of it ... maybe that's why you point fingers at the alleged Pakistani foreign policy ... yet for some reason forget to mention the documented foreign policy of the US towards the end of the cold war ... This is no conspiracy its historical documented facts ... But thank you for proving that quotation that I quoted previously ... i.e


“We are the United States of Amnesia (USA), we learn nothing because we remember nothing.”-Gore Vidal

Congrats on disowning your own faults by going now back to 1977. lol - You guys are a riot.

"look ameriki you funded an Ak47 and helped USSR from taking over us too in 85, and everything we as pakistan have done since then is your fault."

 

[CHD]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1017946398270310

 

[Umair Nawaz]

You really did not have to write 5 paragraphs of gibberish to tell me in every paragraph that this all a conspiracy against you guys. We've established that you pakistanis are uniquely prone to blaming everyone else and to always follow some conspiracy. This is the best example I can give you. If 9 out 10 people say you are supporting training terrorists and 1 out 10 say it is the Ameriki doing it. You will choose that 1 person out 10. The funny part of it is that your own Generals, defense minister, politicians confess to it openly to following 'good terrorist' policy



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LOL is this u could get from by post?
By the same pretext we can also say that ''we have also established u Americans as uniquely prone to blaming everyone else and to always follow conspiracies.'' Whether its yr defeat in Afghanistan to nukes to WOT.

And about conspiracies check out what yr own Country.

Malaysian Missing plane could have been hijacked to Pakistan: US media