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US lawmakers strongly oppose weapon sales to ‘snitch’ Pakistan

I agree with most of the things you say, another example is did UK declare all Irish terrorist for having IRA as terrorists? Yes Pakistanis are not really united and there is corruption and lack of education. However I never worked in Pakistan so to me you go by individual actions. Natural instinct is to be biased but one has to resist that temptation. I am not wrong the reaction by ordinary people and Donald Trump will make things worse and help the terrorists. If you cannot see that I will not drag it further.

Re-read the 3rd and 4th paragraph from the lengthy post you quoted me from. Its the answer to what you are asking above. The Irish weren't outsiders who were given equal rights and respected for being different. They were internal, a part of overall UK, or considered as such. But here, people came here and lived here, and were given all the rights. There was no need to hurt local Americans. If you didn't like the American policies, or culture, etc, then why live here?? One should respectfully leave before it causes damage to others, specially people who they've lived with and grew up with. The terrorist in California, had worked with the SAME people for a long time!! In fact, some women from that center he was working at, setup his wife's baby shower before their child was born. Now you tell me where the hell does it say in ANY religion that you kill innocent civilians, and here, this bast*ard killed people who were kind to him and had helped him!!!!
 
I think you are making a mistake in doing a comparison. The reality is, the American people have always welcomed immigrants as American foundations are based on immigration. The Muslims from all over were welcomed to America like everyone else as long as they came in legally.

Just one example. the Indians started to come in numbers like a decade and a half ago. They have Muslims too. But you tend to see more radicalization in Pakistan? It is a sad fact. Also, I can make this distinction because of my personal background and experiences in life. But to an average American family who doesn't know about Pakistan, Malaysia or Yemen, they just know that these guys were muslims and went to a mosque and all. So they will classify them as Muslims. You guys don't care about your own actions and how they make you look bad. There are so many threads on this forum where Pakistanis, write so much hatred about each other, due to their personal affiliations, family structure, military affiliation, etc. The reader often wonder if you guys can ever be trusted as one nation, or is it always divided. You (average Pakistanis) are responsible for creating a better image for your country with your actions (talking, respecting the law, posts on this forum, etc, etc). No one else will do it for you. Do you see the Indians writing so much crap about their system, leaders, or each other? NO!! Whatever they do, they know they are representing India and India has to come up as a peaceful, fun, colorful country. And they have made the world believe in it through peace and working with everyone (even if the reality may be different).

Also, on the comparison of the mass shooter vs. the California terrorists....here's an analogy. If your own son beats up your younger son for wrong reasons, you'll get upset as a dad, you'll yell at your older son but it remains inside the family and you deal with it.

But if a stranger guy from some far away place, came to you and asked you to live with you. And many years down the road, he beat the living out of your younger son, would you tolerate it? HELL NO!! So the way the American public sees this, is from that standpoint, that Muslims today, have more freedom here in the US then what they can get in their home countries. But instead of being appreciating of the fact, they are out there to hurt us? I am not generalizing the entire religion, I am just presenting an American perspective on it.

Why hurt the US if you LIVE here and are given all the rights like what people from the US enjoy?? If you have issues with the US, her foreign policy, or anything else, and you'll get pissed of and hurt the locals one day, perhaps, this isn't the place for you. Perception is reality and unfortunately, with this example I gave you, everyone else does look bad "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel"!!

When you go live somewhere else, you adapt the law of the land, try to assimilate in the local culture and accept that land as is. Because the land accepted you first. In this case, the land accepted others and told them they can practice their belief system too. Then why hurt other people living on that land??



This is the beauty of American freedom actually. They were given safety as someone would've killed them. In fact, I would almost bet, the sad and terrible nature of that event since the Pearl Harbor, was SO grave, that even if you gave them police for protection, I don't think the police officers would've taken the assignment, or done it right.

What do you expect the US to have done? Locked the women and children into Gitmo for terrorist events that OBL did???? The American nation and principles don't stand for it. But the government is responsible for providing security to residents of the US. So IMO that was a good call to send them out by President Bush. Granted that actually happened the way you are stating it did. Not sure in that time, only one flight was allowed by the US President and it leaked out to you :disagree::fie: sitting thousands of miles away....when things like these are usually confidential and secret !!

On Bush's business connections, I am sure the connections are there and its natural to do business globally in today's world. But I can ALSO assure you, when Bush or anyone else, including myself thinks about doing business with another country, we expect "PROFIT", not terror attacks on our homes !!!!

Its unbelievable to see the ignorance, arrogance and low quality attitude from people who just LOVE to point all fingers back to the US WITHOUT taking ONE cent's worth of responsibility for the craziness that goes on in Pakistan!!

Vilification and generalisation works both ways. Instead of running blindly and jumping to conclusions with the information that the wife was from Pakistan, the media has done little to notify the gullible public that it was an individual act. She, nor her husband's ancestors, while they were still in Pakistan, were trained by the ISI. Also, if you follow the NAP threads here, you will find that tens of thousands of hate-preachers and extremist ideology promoters (even if non violent) have been arrested over the past couple of years. Because this type of rhetoric eventually leads some people to violence. How many people has the U.S. arrested for hate speech against Muslims? By the number of violent attacks on Muslims currently, it should be common sense to clamp down on enticing hatred on people.
Coming back to the California shooters, as strange as it may sound, she lived the majority of her life in Saudi Arabia, as for her husband, he was a U.S. citizen by birth. And since we're playing the association game, did anyone know his brother was a decorated U.S. Navy specialist?
 
Re-read the 3rd and 4th paragraph from the lengthy post you quoted me from. Its the answer to what you are asking above. The Irish weren't outsiders who were given equal rights and respected for being different. They were internal, a part of overall UK, or considered as such. But here, people came here and lived here, and were given all the rights. There was no need to hurt local Americans. If you didn't like the American policies, or culture, etc, then why live here?? One should respectfully leave before it causes damage to others, specially people who they've lived with and grew up with. The terrorist in California, had worked with the SAME people for a long time!! In fact, some women from that center he was working at, setup his wife's baby shower before their child was born. Now you tell me where the hell does it say in ANY religion that you kill innocent civilians, and here, this bast*ard killed people who were kind to him and had helped him!!!!
Who is saying what, who is justifying what? You are asking me to leave thank you very much I will definitely consider it just because you said it! I am a concerned citizen and look at thinks differently and look at the long run what is good for US and the World. The last logic was leave the US when I expressed my views and nothing in that was negative. I am amazed thank you very much for the advice. I prefer Trump he says it clearly without muffled nice phrases.
 
So you are irreplaceable, we get that. But so are we. Best of luck for solving that Afghan puzzle without us.
Best of luck of having a pakistan worth anything if you don't solve it for yourself. If we leave and you continue with your ways- it will become a hellhole and pour into your country. Careful who you threaten, we don't have them on our borders.

do you thin the usa as a whole is stupid enough to let business with pakistn go? even if it is little.

remember the gunship fiasco. they wanted zulus and they said no. all of a sudden china, turkey and russia stepped in and offered to fill the void. then the usa jumps in and gives an offer to good to refuse. and they take it as well as some from russia and china too. but the later 2 were not worth $900+ million. the usa got the big chunk

You are over playing your assumptions while thinking you are on to some great diplomatic coup or understanding. We are not looking at Pakistan as a business. India has bought 20X more than Pakistan has ever bought from us, and we are just starting with them. They fulfill not only our business needs but our strategic needs vs China. We are not about to ruin that for us.

You are slowly becoming a proxy state to China. Plus- most of the equipment we give pakistan is paid by our own AID money. If it was not for Afghanistan, we would have left you with severe sanctions for your material support to terrorist groups. Don't forget you harboured Osama Bin Laden and Haqqanis and half dozen others.
 
The lawmakers in the US are the biggest, and most costly irony that anyone may have suffered in the history of mankind.

How it is a nation like yours when inspected at the top can take on the form of such a great jest, yet murderous and damaging at that... is most certainly beyond belief, yet simple in its causes.

It is plain to see, and even obvious if one keeps up with internal politics or happens to observe any of the debates as of late.
 
Putting money on Karzai does not pay off, it was better if Pashtoons being the majority been engaged in talks so US could have gotten out earlier, now proxy wars are being played from all sides. This is the problem no one is honest or no one is acting sensibly. The game of OBL is more than it meets the eye as it appears. Now that Iran is in check the World has to go after Pakistan, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Just hear Donald Trump's speeches it is all clear. There will be plenty reasons for doing what is the intention. How many people died due terrorism in Pakistan? Guess that does not count han?

Other than the last sentence I'm not sure what you are going on about. And the last sentence is no excuse. It's of your own making. Your own state is responsible for those deaths on its very own citizens, and it STILL continues to play the game of good terrorist vs bad.

Militants not dangerous to Pakistan should not be targeted: Sartaj - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
Don't forget you harboured Osama Bin Laden and Haqqanis and half dozen others.
We have no reponsibility for a saudi men who was trained by CIA and was a CIA asset and ofr haqqanis they used to visit white house quite often so both of these groups were your heroes and assets, accept the fact.
PS you are an indian false flagger becuase i can smell it
 
We have no reponsibility for a saudi men who was trained by CIA and was a CIA asset and ofr haqqanis they used to visit white house quite often so both of these groups were your heroes and assets, accept the fact.
PS you are an indian false flagger becuase i can smell it

You never have any responsibility- but your words don't matter in the real world. I have no doubt you smell a conspiracy.
 
You never have any responsibility- but your words don't matter in the real world. I have no doubt you smell a conspiracy.
yes it is a conspiracy
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I think the congress folks can smoke weed from their arses, but in end what counts is that the militaries of both nation understand the big picture
 
guilty by association lol. very heartfelt and emotional arguments right from the bollywood movie.
Indian lobby must spend more money so that such opposition doesnt fail yet again when despite everything the sales did take place.
But all points are correct
 
yes it is a conspiracy
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Those are the Afghan Mujahidin group, and not the Taliban. Taliban was created by the ISI and military in 90's, and they ruled from 96-2001 in Afghanistan. Some internet guy put that image up and you fell for it. You don't even know your history around your country. Shameful.

And the senator posed with a moderate FSA a long while ago. That group has changed, its members have too. That does not mean he promotes terrorists. Why do you pakistani show us old pictures and think you are excused of supporting most of these groups below?

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How about the US stop selling weapons to the Saudis? You know the actual ones who's ideology was exported to Pakistan thanks to US approval for fighting the soviets, the same ideology that flew planes in to the twin towers. The same ideology that founded Al qaeda. The same ideology that ISIS takes its roots from. The same ideology that this woman was radicalised with.

Any chance of stopping weapons sales to the Saudis ? Or you just love their money?
Ideology don't kill people, it's men(terrorists) who kill people
 
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