US lawmakers strongly oppose weapon sales to ‘snitch’ Pakistan

[T-Rex]

She went to a Pharmacy school and she also attended a Maddrassa or a religious institute.

There are more examples of terrorists with university education, so should we start painting the universities as breeding ground of terrorism? You're not after terrorism, you're after Islam and its fundamental institutions, terrorism is a tool which is being used to curb the influence if Islam. Terrorism is part and parcel of the US foreign policy, if not assrahell wouldn't be neck deep in state terrorism and roam around scot-free. It's the Machiavellian policy of secretly creating, training and funding terrorists and thugs like the ME despots to contain greater Islamic renaissance which is to be blamed for the turmoil we see in ME right now. As you speak, your ally assrahell is busy rescuing and treating the daesh terrorists. You think the world doesn't understand what that means? What would you have said if Pakistanis were doing that? Assrahell and her allies like sissy the thug are responsible for the destructive trends in the Muslim youth. In the end Muslims are at the receiving end of it and that tells whose dirty business it is.

 

[Sipahi]

Uncle Sam did not choose the extremists. Gen Zia and Pakistani army did
Your army is the god father for all these nutcases

No, You are wrong, first they invited them from all over the world to Afghanistan and once their mission was complete against Russia, they just left.. Same US is doing with ISIS. funding training and providing logistics and in the end when Russia break or US's mission accomplished they will left syrians and iraqis just like that under the guns of ISIS.

Thats how America operate in the world.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We normally hear many things , such as crows , birds and dogs barking , its difficult to pay attention minor voices

Congress is far far away , and , we just can't hear it well because of great distance but they seem to have it all WRONG

 

[araz]

Did you expect them to publicly insult them? You take a gentleman's courtesy to mean too much. How is that you take note of a comment from our Generals about that, but disregard the very same General's comment calling out Pakistan for supporting terrorist groups?

Is not everyone a false flag to you. That theme seems to be the answer to shirk your responsibilities.

So I called you a false flagger correctly. And you thought you could hide behind the US flag. But thevenom in your post is clear for all to see. There is the blood of 20000 soldiers and 80 000 of my countrymen giving proof of our intent to rid us of a menace that was not of our creation in the first instance. If that is not enough the said congressmen should feel ashed of the fact that they count money that they owe us in rent for our facilities that they have used and our fuel that they have consumed and our transport system that they have used to transport stuff across our country on our roads for their war on terror. To top it all off they have finally come round to listening 5o what we have been saying all along that negotiating with the Taliban is a better option rather than bombing the shit out of them as USSR tried it to no avail. And you talk of our treachery. Subhan Allah! !! Do you have no shame.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

lol?

Rizwan .. an American born citizen grew studied in America.. goes to America's best allied country KSA and gets radicalized


Tashfeen, leaves Pakistan in childhood to live in America's best allied country KSA and gets radicalised

both meet up and come to America...

and do their Business


what does it have to do with me?

Has nothing to do with me neither......... (except for having to reach for some more

pop-corn)
@Irfan Baloch; whats up with you now..... ready to ditch your fellow 'ummah-wallas' so easily now?

 

[Rahatullah]

Every sanction of yours is a blessing in disguise ....thy friendship hurts , thy enmity relieves...This is not your f.16 that make us win , this is the matchless trait of resilience in the Pakistani blood that make change happen ..
And the TRAIT we own ..no one can take it ...IT BURNS TO CONTAIN IT ...good day

 

[Bratva]

Not by Aim 120C5's for sure. unless there was a riveting flying carpet chase involved in the equation.

Did US paid for these C5's via CT funds ?

If we have a large market and potential book order which can be leveraged to mitigate security risks for us, then common sense dictates to use it to it's full potential, if anything make it clear to major suppliers that it is a zero sum game when it comes to business, pick either India or Pakistan, if anything let the equation spill into every sector. It happens in every capital equipment market, why should be defense be any different.

From US's perspective, I am not sure how happy Americans will be know that US transfers entire fleet of AH1's without charging a cent to Pakistan from EDC account and in return what it got from Pakistan is pretty evident, pretty much every high value target harbored in Pakistan, ISI worked directly against US although getting a ton of money from WoT account. After providing billions in military AID if the same recipient is colluding against US, then the outrage from the American law makers is quite obvious.


How many lives has that 30 billion paid for, how many Pakistani civilians have died in the drone strikes?

look up preamble to your own constitution, it will be pretty evident what you sold to US for the 30 billion....

If ISI directly against US, then how come US started direct negotiations against those elements ISI supported by giving them a political refuge in Qatar, China and IRAN. Infact US directly engaged with Haqqani group second in command in Murree talks. Those American Law makers should understand if US is not serious in alleviating our concerns about Indian and afghan terrorism inside Pakistan, we will not care about your concerns as well.

Common sense dictates, ISI would not have done double dealings if US was sincere and would not have let NDS+RAW have a free hand in balochistan and FATA from 2006. Only after TTP 2nd in command capture along with NDS officials created sincerity.

And there is a war going on in afghanistan. What do you expect, Pakistan is some sort of super humans they can stop the flow of terrorists running from there to here? Is US able to stop the flow of Mexican drug cartels? No. But Did Pakistan created any hindrance when US targeted those HVT in Pakistan ? No.

 

[VCheng]

lol?

Rizwan .. an American born citizen grew studied in America.. goes to America's best allied country KSA and gets radicalized


Tashfeen, leaves Pakistan in childhood to live in America's best allied country KSA and gets radicalised

both meet up and come to America...

and do their Business


what does it have to do with me?

Let us not forget the role played by Al-Huda in this case, Sir.

 

[帅的一匹]

Why F16 so expensive?

do you thin the usa as a whole is stupid enough to let business with pakistn go? even if it is little.

remember the gunship fiasco. they wanted zulus and they said no. all of a sudden china, turkey and russia stepped in and offered to fill the void. then the usa jumps in and gives an offer to good to refuse. and they take it as well as some from russia and china too. but the later 2 were not worth $900+ million. the usa got the big chunk

Will Pakistan use China or Russia as step stone to get visa for US weapon in the future? I mean the passion of PAF for F16 , in my eyes, is very much over the necessity. Those F16 worth 165 millions each? That's robbing.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Why F16 so expensive?


Will Pakistan use China or Russia as step stone to get visa for US weapon in the future? I mean the passion of PAF for F16 , in my eyes, is very much over the necessity. Those F16 worth 165 millions each? That's robbing.

its not $165 million each.the media got it wrong. for 165 million it would be a f15. china and pakistan are buddies and the china will be happy to sell tech to pakistan. but pakista is mainly focused on the jf-17 and upgrading that. then after that then they will probably get to work on a 5th gen fighter somwhere early in 2020's. pakistan i not interested in thej10 as the tech on the j10 will be on later jf-17 models. for pakistan airforce the 3 main jobs are keep working on the jf-17, buy more f16's new or second hand. and look for a 5th gen fighter. the last one should be easy as theres only 2 options. the j31 and the tfx

 

[帅的一匹]

its not $165 million each.the media got it wrong. for 165 million it would be a f15. china and pakistan are buddies and the china will be happy to sell tech to pakistan. but pakista is mainly focused on the jf-17 and upgrading that. then after that then they will probably get to work on a 5th gen fighter somwhere early in 2020's. pakistan i not interested in thej10 as the tech on the j10 will be on later jf-17 models. for pakistan airforce the 3 main jobs are keep working on the jf-17, buy more f16's new or second hand. and look for a 5th gen fighter. the last one should be easy as theres only 2 options. the j31 and the tfx

PAF wanna get J20, it takes time.

 

[Blue Marlin]

PAF wanna get J20, it takes time.

i dont know the answer to that

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Let us not forget the role played by Al-Huda in this case, Sir.

Shhhhh!!!! things like the Al-Huda and other such influences (which are a 'dime a dozen' as we know already) all fall in the "don't ask, don't tell" category. Lets not embarrass @Irfan Baloch........ now.
Maybe he just wants to think that its only a "bad dream"............

Such a lovely portrait of Ol' Ronnie Reagan sitting with fellow-tribals.
No wonder he was a failed C-grade Hollywood actor in his earlier career.

 

[MilSpec]

Did US paid for these C5's via CT funds ?

Looks like the aircrafts themselves came off the EDA funds.

Pakistan had originally planned a total purchase valued at $5.1 billion, almost all of it in national funds. The 2005 Kashmir earthquake and subsequent financial constraints caused Pakistan to reduce the number of new planes it wanted to purchase from 36 to 18, which lowered the overall value of the deal to approximately $3.1 billion. The 18 new planes are valued at $1.4 billion, with the remainder of the $3.1 billion dedicated to associated munitions (valued at approximately $641 million) and 46 Mid-Life Update (MLU) kits for Pakistan's existing F-16 fleet (estimated to cost $891 million). Additionally, the United States has provided Pakistan with 14 F-16s designated as Excess Defense Articles (EDA).

Source F-16


for the rest look up SIPRI for what came from where, either WOT account, EDA or FMA.

If ISI directly against US, then how come US started direct negotiations against those elements ISI supported by giving them a political refuge in Qatar, China and IRAN. Infact US directly engaged with Haqqani group second in command in Murree talks. Those American Law makers should understand if US is not serious in alleviating our concerns about Indian and afghan terrorism inside Pakistan, we will not care about your concerns as well.

In that case the US lawmakers are absolutely correct in questioning military assistance to pakistan as you are admitting it's duplicity/

And there is a war going on in afghanistan. What do you expect, Pakistan is some sort of super humans they can stop the flow of terrorists running from there to here? Is US able to stop the flow of Mexican drug cartels? No. But Did Pakistan created any hindrance when US targeted those HVT in Pakistan ? No.

Well, most of the top US politicians and Military brass have on record stated Pakistan shielding and protecting US's designated HVT's. If there wasn't why wouldn't they allow Pakistan to capture OBL, you can still apprehend the egyptian and hand them over the US, but you won't.[/QUOTE]

No, You are wrong, first they invited them from all over the world to Afghanistan and once their mission was complete against Russia, they just left.. Same US is doing with ISIS. funding training and providing logistics and in the end when Russia break or US's mission accomplished they will left syrians and iraqis just like that under the guns of ISIS.

Thats how America operate in the world.

Lets see if there are any other precedence of similar nature.

 

[Sipahi]

Looks like the aircrafts themselves came off the EDA funds.

Pakistan had originally planned a total purchase valued at $5.1 billion, almost all of it in national funds. The 2005 Kashmir earthquake and subsequent financial constraints caused Pakistan to reduce the number of new planes it wanted to purchase from 36 to 18, which lowered the overall value of the deal to approximately $3.1 billion. The 18 new planes are valued at $1.4 billion, with the remainder of the $3.1 billion dedicated to associated munitions (valued at approximately $641 million) and 46 Mid-Life Update (MLU) kits for Pakistan's existing F-16 fleet (estimated to cost $891 million). Additionally, the United States has provided Pakistan with 14 F-16s designated as Excess Defense Articles (EDA).

Source F-16


for the rest look up SIPRI for what came from where, either WOT account, EDA or FMA.





In that case the US lawmakers are absolutely correct in questioning military assistance to pakistan as you are admitting it's duplicity/



Well, most of the top US politicians and Military brass have on record stated Pakistan shielding and protecting US's designated HVT's. If there wasn't why wouldn't they allow Pakistan to capture OBL, you can still apprehend the egyptian and hand them over the US, but you won't.

Lets see if there are any other precedence of similar nature.

[/QUOTE]

What actually bugti did for bhutto ???