US Gives Over 100 Military Vehicles to Philippines

[jhungary]

If this blog is to be believed, the proposal for acquiring MBTs will be in the second phase of the PH Military modernization.

MaxDefense: The Philippine's Options for New Tanks & Wheeled IFVs for RAFPMP Horizon 2 Phase

Hard sell for Philippine Military if they wanted MBT.

There are several thing the blog said was true, the most important problem is Philippine own infrastructure did not geared to operate Medium to Heavy MBT. With the aging infrastructure (such as road and bridge) need to be replaced before they can be able to support armour operation. Which mean the government need to rebuild the city before they can consider which tank they want to buy.

The question, however, is not if, but when. I do think Philippine need MBT to begin with, but with the current situation, this is not something Philippine can do at this point, maybe 5 to 10 years ahead when the government fixed the infrastructure.

 

[Indos]

Next time maybe planes......

Tucson Arizona

 

[jhungary]

Sort of, based on the difficulty of terrain, tracked will have advantages to move in jungle and desert over wheeled. Wheeled are best for plain.

Tracked vehicle is not suitable for jungle, the low branch and tree will stick out of the thread and in extreme case destroy the sprocket. (The Metal wheel thing that turn the track) or in most case, unhinge the track itself by yanking the track out of the sprocket (its the same principal why your bicycle getting unchained sometime)

The only way tracked vehicle can pass thru a jungle is to basically mow down the trees. But this usually ends with the stump hitting the back of the vehicle and puncture something inside the engine mount.

Basically, you don't drive a Bradley (Or any tracked armour) in jungle.

Mountain on the other hand, could be tricky as there are quite a lot of blind spot in a tracked vehicle and sometime, you may laugh but there are quite a lot of Abrams fell off a cliff and into a river when they drive over them in Iraq...

 

[Cossack25A1]

Next time maybe planes......

Tucson Arizona

We tried with the F-16 back in 2012, the deal wasn't further pursued because the F-16s were "expensive" and since the PH Air Force had retired the F-5s from service way back in 2005, there is a chance that PH Air Force pilots are not qualified for a fighter aircraft... that is until the arrival of the FA-50.

Hard sell for Philippine Military if they wanted MBT.

There are several thing the blog said was true, the most important problem is Philippine own infrastructure did not geared to operate Medium to Heavy MBT. With the aging infrastructure (such as road and bridge) need to be replaced before they can be able to support armour operation. Which mean the government need to rebuild the city before they can consider which tank they want to buy.

The question, however, is not if, but when. I do think Philippine need MBT to begin with, but with the current situation, this is not something Philippine can do at this point, maybe 5 to 10 years ahead when the government fixed the infrastructure.

At the moment, the PH Army will need "fire-support vehicles" more than MBTs as most hostiles across the Philippines have no armor assets and always operate in the jungle. Dedicated attack helicopters or armed drones would also be an ideal choice to support APCs and IFVs.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Tracked vehicle is not suitable for jungle, the low branch and tree will stick out of the thread and in extreme case destroy the sprocket. (The Metal wheel thing that turn the track) or in most case, unhinge the track itself by yanking the track out of the sprocket (its the same principal why your bicycle getting unchained sometime)

The only way tracked vehicle can pass thru a jungle is to basically mow down the trees. But this usually ends with the stump hitting the back of the vehicle and puncture something inside the engine mount.

Basically, you don't drive a Bradley (Or any tracked armour) in jungle.

Mountain on the other hand, could be tricky as there are quite a lot of blind spot in a tracked vehicle and sometime, you may laugh but there are quite a lot of Abrams fell off a cliff and into a river when they drive over them in Iraq...

Indeed, but we are comparing tracked and wheeled here, not solely reviewing tracked performance in jungle track. If wheeled can drive thru a specific jungle track, i'm certain tracked can do it better. CMIIW...

 

[jhungary]

Indeed, but we are comparing tracked and wheeled here, not solely reviewing tracked performance in jungle track. If wheeled can drive thru a specific jungle track, i'm certain tracked can do it better. CMIIW...

Well.........Don't know how to tell you.

Most of the problem associated with tracked vehicle in jungle is the track itself. Most sprocket got tore out of the bracket by the track with in turn was pull out from their housing by stumps and branches.

Wheeled vehicle does not have track, and even if one of the wheel was pull/yank out of the housing, you can still drive your wheeled IFV with 7 or even 6 wheels. But you cannot drive your tracked tank/IFV once the sprocket is yanked out or the tracked is unchained.

We tried with the F-16 back in 2012, the deal wasn't further pursued because the F-16s were "expensive" and since the PH Air Force had retired the F-5s from service way back in 2005, there is a chance that PH Air Force pilots are not qualified for a fighter aircraft... that is until the arrival of the FA-50.



At the moment, the PH Army will need "fire-support vehicles" more than MBTs as most hostiles across the Philippines have no armor assets and always operate in the jungle. Dedicated attack helicopters or armed drones would also be an ideal choice to support APCs and IFVs.

you cannot totally support your IFV/APC with drone and attack chopper, you are going to need MBT to provide 24/7 support some how. Otherwise you either only able to move your APC when you have AH or drone on station, and that at most for 4 hours, then they would have to RTB. Which is not economical if you ask me.

MBT is a must if you want to use IFV/APC, as they are the only one thing you can use with your IFV/APC and accompanied them 24/7 and go where they go. But as I said, there are still a long road ahead for Philippine to field MBT.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

ok troll alert



Problem is the Army looks down on SP guns they like the old fashion howitzers like the 105s and the 155mm from Israel dont know why though

Well, I would certainly have appreciated actual logical responses to the points that I have raised, rather than your immediate ad hominem attacks.

It is generally a sign of a person, who doesn't have much to argue about, in a logical way.

 

[Zero_wing]

Well, I would certainly have appreciated actual logical responses to the points that I have raised, rather than your immediate ad hominem attacks.

It is generally a sign of a person, who doesn't have much to argue about, in a logical way.

Well its not the topic at hand thanks

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Well its not the topic at hand thanks

Of course it wasn't. But did you think that when labelling an entire country "imperialist"?

 

[yugocrosrb95]

This is actually a big step, you never know how good is a M113 until you are on one. God, it bring me back the good old days when I first trained with my 19C MOS....You need to qualified for M113 before you can drive a Bradley....(although today it's not a requirement anymore)....

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This is what M113 can do.

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M163 Vulcan AA platform

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M577 Command Vehicle

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M901 TOW IFV

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M-48 SAM (AIM-9 Platform)

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M113 MBT

The flexibility is not something even Bradley can do

M113 is a great platform... I wonder if its hull is strong enough to sustain a weight of a 30 mm auto cannon turret.

EDIT:
M113 is really really flexible! Philiphines can put anti-tank, anti-air missiles, anti-air guns, etc...

 

[21stCentury]

Beggar of course could not be too picky about a rotten, but free lunch.

Let's look at how the Americans deal with the rotten lunch. Oh, sorry, according to your definition, the M113s served as artificial reef are still "modernizing perfectly and responsibly".
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Ones man trash is another man's treasure!

I applaud the USA in recycling their dying falling apart M113s by letting the Philippines army have them.

A well thought gesture!

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Ones man trash is another man's treasure!

I applaud the USA in recycling their dying falling apart M113s by letting the Philippines army have them.

A well thought gesture!

Original M113's, yes, M113's A2... Nope.

If your definition of dying falling apart is a well maintained and upkeeped machine, then you are correct!

@GS Zhou

Philiphines got M113A2 not original M113 and they can modernize it to M113A3 standard.

9K38 Igla on it, good for shotting down helicopters and jets doing CAS.

Cutting edge ADATS turret? Its dual use, A-A/G missiles...

BMP-3 turret on M113.

In 1980's Hellfire was tested on ground vehicles such as M113, recent events could force USA to reconsider, at least as an upgrade for M113 while Bradley could receive it sooner though. Hitting targets from 8 kilometers away.

M113 mounted 175 mm cannon's in 1960's, imagine cannons of today, put today's 155 mm cannon and hit targets from 40-45 kilometers away.

 

[Zero_wing]

Original M113's, yes, M113's A2... Nope.

If your definition of dying falling apart is a well maintained and upkeeped machine, then you are correct!

@GS Zhou


Philiphines got M113A2 not original M113 and they can modernize it to M113A3 standard.

9K38 Igla on it, good for shotting down helicopters and jets doing CAS.

Cutting edge ADATS turret? Its dual use, A-A/G missiles...

BMP-3 turret on M113.

In 1980's Hellfire was tested on ground vehicles such as M113, recent events could force USA to reconsider, at least as an upgrade for M113 while Bradley could receive it sooner though. Hitting targets from 8 kilometers away.

M113 mounted 175 mm cannon's in 1960's, imagine cannons of today, put today's 155 mm cannon and hit targets from 40-45 kilometers away.

Pay no attention to the trolls but your right m311a2 is a great platform

 

[GS Zhou]

M113 mounted 175 mm cannon's in 1960's, imagine cannons of today, put today's 155 mm cannon and hit targets from 40-45 kilometers away.

M113 with a heavy cannon? What a brilliant idea! Do you know how strong a heavy canon could recoil? Just take a look the weight of other common SPGs: the PZH2000 of Germany is about 55ton in weight, the PLZ05 of China is 45ton. But what is the weight of M113? Do you dare to sit inside the M113-based 155mm SPG? Does Philippines has the magic to change Newton's Law?

but your right m311a2 is a great platform

What a great platform!

Look at the news of US to deliver one thousand M113s to Iraq. The storage time of these grandpa M113s is 20years!! Let's image an ultra-old car, which has been used for 15years, and after that, it has been parked in garage for another 20years. Will you have any interest to get this 35year-old car and use it to drive your family for weekend vacation? Do you dare to do so? You can argue that this old car has been fully refurbished. That's fine. But why not get a new car? The procurement cost of a new car must be much lower than the cost to make a grandpa car to be fully refurbished.

US Delivers Over a Thousand M113s to Iraq, 20years storage time for the M113s!

 

[Zero_wing]

M113 with a heavy cannon? What a brilliant idea! Do you know how strong a heavy canon could recoil? Just take a look the weight of other common SPGs: the PZH2000 of Germany is about 55ton in weight, the PLZ05 of China is 45ton. But what is the weight of M113? Do you dare to sit inside the M113-based 155mm SPG? Does Philippines has the magic to change Newton's Law?


What a great platform!

Look at the news of US to deliver one thousand M113s to Iraq. The storage time of these grandpa M113s is 20years!! Let's image an ultra-old car, which has been used for 15years, and after that, it has been parked in garage for another 20years. Will you have any interest to get this 35year-old car and use it to drive your family for weekend vacation? Do you dare to do so? You can argue that this old car has been fully refurbished. That's fine. But why not get a new car? The procurement cost of a new car must be much lower than the cost to make a grandpa car to be fully refurbished.

US Delivers Over a Thousand M113s to Iraq, 20years storage time for the M113s!

Well they A2 so ya their great still far better than any chinese products and lastly they for army fire support and lastly not everything we do for the AFP is for chinese your people arrogance is showing again Jesus are you people really so KSP really do you people want attention so badly talk about pathetic you people have been debunk even with the Non Filipinos here about the System and how great it is for transitioning military like the Philippines but you arrogant SOBs keep repeating that they meant for attacking china or to show off to china or boost against china its pathetic how you people keep repeating crap.

Hard sell for Philippine Military if they wanted MBT.

There are several thing the blog said was true, the most important problem is Philippine own infrastructure did not geared to operate Medium to Heavy MBT. With the aging infrastructure (such as road and bridge) need to be replaced before they can be able to support armour operation. Which mean the government need to rebuild the city before they can consider which tank they want to buy.

The question, however, is not if, but when. I do think Philippine need MBT to begin with, but with the current situation, this is not something Philippine can do at this point, maybe 5 to 10 years ahead when the government fixed the infrastructure.

Honestly i think Modular vehicle would be better its best of both Fire support Vehicle and has good anti tank options like 105mm main gun or anti tank missiles and other needs expect bridge layer that you need a other vehicle for that but still would a modular vehicle more than MBT well don't get me wrong i would love to see Philippine Leopards or M1 or type 10 on our streets but a Patria or strykers, Piranha etc that will do