US Gives Over 100 Military Vehicles to Philippines

[yugocrosrb95]

@GS Zhou

Why it would't be possible as an open platform like M107 or M110?

Germans made a howitzer prototype with 105 mm cannon while maintaining crew protection and 105 mm is still dangerous if hit from side and even more so from behind to any tank.

Also refurbished is always cheaper if the vehicle is maintained well, you said it yourself, those were in storage for 20 years and US stores their stuff either in desert where there is very rarely rain or in a storage facility.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Well they A2 so ya their great still far better than any chinese products and lastly they for army fire support and lastly not everything we do for the AFP is for chinese your people arrogance is showing again Jesus are you people really so KSP really do you people want attention so badly talk about pathetic you people have been debunk even with the Non Filipinos here about the System and how great it is for transitioning military like the Philippines but you arrogant SOBs keep repeating that they meant for attacking china or to show off to china or boost against china its pathetic how you people keep repeating crap.



Honestly i think Modular vehicle would be better its best of both Fire support Vehicle and has good anti tank options like 105mm main gun or anti tank missiles and other needs expect bridge layer that you need a other vehicle for that but still would a modular vehicle more than MBT well don't get me wrong i would love to see Philippine Leopards or M1 or type 10 on our streets but a Patria or strykers, Piranha etc that will do

I wouldn't really underestimate the Chinese war machine, even if several of their weapons are rip-offs.

Anyways, one good candidate to replace the V-150s are the M1117 since the latter is a modern version of the former.

 

[Zero_wing]

Typical chinese more propaganda little or no facts

 

[jhungary]

Honestly i think Modular vehicle would be better its best of both Fire support Vehicle and has good anti tank options like 105mm main gun or anti tank missiles and other needs expect bridge layer that you need a other vehicle for that but still would a modular vehicle more than MBT well don't get me wrong i would love to see Philippine Leopards or M1 or type 10 on our streets but a Patria or strykers, Piranha etc that will do

Depend on what you want to do with your military.

For now, Philippine is going up against a serious problem for insurgency. You won't need a Full MBT for that. What you want is a platform that can deploy from A to B quick, Firepower and protection is not as much important than speed.

But for long term, you will need MBT as part of national security package. Basically for war. But then, as I said, you will need to have an overhaul for your infrastructure.

But for now, one of these would come in Handy for Philippine

 

[GS Zhou]

Well they A2 so ya their great still far better than any chinese products and lastly they for army fire support and lastly not everything we do for the AFP is for chinese your people arrogance is showing again Jesus are you people really so KSP really do you people want attention so badly talk about pathetic you people have been debunk even with the Non Filipinos here about the System and how great it is for transitioning military like the Philippines but you arrogant SOBs keep repeating that they meant for attacking china or to show off to china or boost against china its pathetic how you people keep repeating crap.



Honestly i think Modular vehicle would be better its best of both Fire support Vehicle and has good anti tank options like 105mm main gun or anti tank missiles and other needs expect bridge layer that you need a other vehicle for that but still would a modular vehicle more than MBT well don't get me wrong i would love to see Philippine Leopards or M1 or type 10 on our streets but a Patria or strykers, Piranha etc that will do

Let's speak it with facts, rather than point the fingers to others and shouting out they are trolls. Look at the following facts. You may not like facts, but fact is fact.

1. To put any running machine be static in more than 20 years will make the machine no different to trash, unless it could be put in a closed environment that filled with inert gases.

2. Americans discard the M113s as artificial reef! This clear reflects Americans' attitudes towards these grandpa vehicles: TRASH

3. Please listen to Ukraine Army's praise to the high-quality/reliable US free lunch:
- some of the U.S.-supplied gear meant to protect and transport Ukrainian military forces is little more than junk.
- The tires on one of the trucks blew apart after driving only a few hundred kilometers, the result of sitting in a warehouse too long, said one mechanic.
- “If the Americans are going to send us equipment, don’t send us secondhand stuff,” said one Ukrainian special forces commander
- The decaying state of U.S.-supplied equipment on Ukraine’s front lines has bred distrust and lowered morale among Ukrainian troops, soldiers said.

On Ukraine’s front lines, U.S.-supplied equipment is falling apart

 

[pr1v4t33r]

But for now, one of these would come in Handy for Philippine
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Another handy option

 

[Zero_wing]

Depend on what you want to do with your military.

For now, Philippine is going up against a serious problem for insurgency. You won't need a Full MBT for that. What you want is a platform that can deploy from A to B quick, Firepower and protection is not as much important than speed.

But for long term, you will need MBT as part of national security package. Basically for war. But then, as I said, you will need to have an overhaul for your infrastructure.

But for now, one of these would come in Handy for Philippine

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Well depends on the Military but like most commanders like Modular vehicles and i think that right for the Philippines

Another handy option
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90m main gun right?

 

[pr1v4t33r]

90m main gun right?

yes, Cockerill CSE 90LP.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Depend on what you want to do with your military.

For now, Philippine is going up against a serious problem for insurgency. You won't need a Full MBT for that. What you want is a platform that can deploy from A to B quick, Firepower and protection is not as much important than speed.

But for long term, you will need MBT as part of national security package. Basically for war. But then, as I said, you will need to have an overhaul for your infrastructure.

But for now, one of these would come in Handy for Philippine

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Well the PH Army would need something like the Stryker MGS to replace the FV101s that had been in service for 30 years... and rarely used nowadays, specially since when it comes to a wheeled FSV, only the PH Marine Corps has such asset (the LAV-300 with 90mm gun).

Let's speak it with facts, rather than point the fingers to others and shouting out they are trolls. Look at the following facts. You may not like facts, but fact is fact.

1. To put any running machine be static in more than 20 years will make the machine no different to trash, unless it could be put in a closed environment that filled with inert gases.

2. Americans discard the M113s as artificial reef! This clear reflects Americans' attitudes towards these grandpa vehicles: TRASH
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3. Please listen to Ukraine Army's praise to the high-quality/reliable US free lunch:
- some of the U.S.-supplied gear meant to protect and transport Ukrainian military forces is little more than junk.
- The tires on one of the trucks blew apart after driving only a few hundred kilometers, the result of sitting in a warehouse too long, said one mechanic.
- “If the Americans are going to send us equipment, don’t send us secondhand stuff,” said one Ukrainian special forces commander
- The decaying state of U.S.-supplied equipment on Ukraine’s front lines has bred distrust and lowered morale among Ukrainian troops, soldiers said.

On Ukraine’s front lines, U.S.-supplied equipment is falling apart

So what do you want us to do? Do nothing and stop modernizing the Philippine military just because the PH military will only get second hand equipment?

I will assume you are right about those APCs that were stored for 20+ years, but that doesn't mean that overused machines are any better. It seems that you assume that when exporting surplus military equipment, overused machines are better than stored vehicles.

Besides, we are not only looking at the US for military equipment.

Lastly, why is China... or the PDF China Platoon beaching about this news about the PH Army receiving 100+ M113s from the United States?

 

[GS Zhou]

So what do you want us to do? Do nothing and stop modernizing the Philippine military just because the PH military will only get second hand equipment?

I will assume you are right about those APCs that were stored for 20+ years, but that doesn't mean that overused machines are any better. It seems that you assume that when exporting surplus military equipment, overused machines are better than stored vehicles.

Besides, we are not only looking at the US for military equipment.

Lastly, why is China... or the PDF China Platoon beaching about this news about the PH Army receiving 100+ M113s from the United States?

This is an international forum. Every one can post his/her own comments here, as long as the comments are fact-based. It's actually very funny that while so many PH PDFers are making dreams that the M113s could be modified to this or that, but no one raises the most critical question: what is the status of the grandpa M113s? Are they "healthy" enough for a heavy modification? Are they capable of long year service in PH Army, let's say, at least 20 years?

 

[jhungary]

Another handy option
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Oh well........Would prefer this for a smaller chassis

or this

Well depends on the Military but like most commanders like Modular vehicles and i think that right for the Philippines

90m main gun right?

well........it's a start

Well the PH Army would need something like the Stryker MGS to replace the FV101s that had been in service for 30 years... and rarely used nowadays, specially since when it comes to a wheeled FSV, only the PH Marine Corps has such asset (the LAV-300 with 90mm gun).

IIRC the Philippine already have the LAV-600 with the L7 gun on it??

 

[BDforever]

I never knew that Bangladesh Air force is stronger than Philippines' Air force WTF ! !

 

[Zero_wing]

Oh well........Would prefer this for a smaller chassis

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or this

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well........it's a start



IIRC the Philippine already have the LAV-600 with the L7 gun on it??

But again the Patria is prefect fit i guess the Commanders do share my love for the Vehicle but its really up to the DND

I never knew that Bangladesh Air force is stronger than Philippines' Air force WTF ! !

Well i told one of your countrymen once and he could not believe it too and besides its really the fault of the Civilian Leadership really after marcos the many wanted to downsized the military since because of Martial law morons any how lets get back in topic guys

 

[Cossack25A1]

This is an international forum. Every one can post his/her own comments here, as long as the comments are fact-based.

Yet some of the Chinese members in this forum (which is an international forum) are getting angry when a Japanese member posts news about Japan or others posts their comments that are fact-based.

It seems your lot prefers to shove into others anything that is in favor of China and disregard anything that goes against China.

It's actually very funny that while so many PH PDFers are making dreams that the M113s could be modified to this or that, but no one raises the most critical question: what is the status of the grandpa M113s? Are they "healthy" enough for a heavy modification? Are they capable of long year service in PH Army, let's say, at least 20 years?

Back to the topic, those 100+ APCs are only for one purpose - troop transport. The only modified M113s the PH military received were from Israel. And besides, we are also looking for other vehicles from other countries... because we Filipinos are not that stupid, despite trhat you Chinese always perceive Filipinos as "stupid" every time in this forum.

As for the question of modification issue, I am going to throw back that question to you; are those old Type 59 MBTs are still fit for heavy modifications? Are those "Type 59G" still cost effective in the long run?

IIRC the Philippine already have the LAV-600 with the L7 gun on it??

Not sure, I only know that the PH Marine Corps uses LAV-300 with 90mm gun, and the only armored vehicle in Philippine service that has a 105mm gun is the LVTH-6.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Let's speak it with facts, Look at the following facts. You may not like facts, but fact is fact.

If you are talking about facts then why are you forcing your opinion which is an uneducated assumption as a fact and specialy when you don't bother to do basic research which is 5 minutes or less...

1. To put any running machine be static in more than 20 years will make the machine no different to trash,

You can't claim such a thing without any context of in which conditions are stored without also considering the design of the machine and material that is made of in the first place to determine.

unless it could be put in a closed environment that filled with inert gases.

Or in a desert with barely any rain if any and dry air due to extremely low humidity...

2. Americans discard the M113s as artificial reef! This clear reflects Americans' attitudes towards these grandpa vehicles: TRASH
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Your conclussion is based on few photos of original M113's(and M113A1?) thus you believe that they discarded all M113's?

Then how do you explain these?

Thousands upon thousands of M113's family vehicles being in long-term storage and are maintained in Sierra Army Depot and still being used by United States and a lot of other countries.

Also US Army won't phase out M113A2's and M113A3's until somewhere in 2020's...

US Army: Vietnam-Era M113 Won’t be Replaced until the 2020s

Here's a kicker...


Philiphines didn't get original M113's nor M113A1's, but they got M113A2's that are being used by United States Armed Forces won't be replaced until somewhere in 2020's thus M113A2's and M113A3's have at least 4 to 5 years of use and maximum of 14 years in US Armed Forces.

3. Please listen to Ukraine Army's praise to the high-quality/reliable US free lunch:
On Ukraine’s front lines, U.S.-supplied equipment is falling apart

They you can blame US, they can blame US, but here are the facts...

1. Ukraine does not have infrastructure for maintenance of equipment that they got from US.

2. Their mehanics should have inspected the equipment, yet they didn't thus they are surprised.

3. Remember Sierra Army Depot? US armed forces are using equipment that is restored and maintained there!

This is an international forum. Every one can post his/her own comments here, as long as the comments are fact-based. It's actually very funny that while so many PH PDFers are making dreams that the M113s could be modified to this or that, but no one raises the most critical question: what is the status of the grandpa M113s? Are they "healthy" enough for a heavy modification? Are they capable of long year service in PH Army, let's say, at least 20 years?

You should ask United States Armed Forces, they won't phase out these babies until somewhere in 2020's!

So much for your fact-based comments.


Your ignorance is over 9000!!!