US eyes tactical withdrawal from Middle East to focus on China

[tower9]

Arab NATO is 600-700 Million strong with modern weaponry, wealth, endless manpower and with manfacturing capabilites.. They are well drilled enough to even take on much much much larger foes and capable of fighting for decades endless..

Saudi Arabia
Algeria
Morocco
Egypt
Sudan
UAE
Bahrain
Oman
Qatar
Kuwait
Jordan
Tunisia

I would say the gulf countries are more of a cohesive lot. The other Arab countries especially in North Africa are not necessarily going to get involved in an extended conflict.

 

[Titanium100]

I would say the gulf countries are more of a cohesive lot. The other Arab countries especially in North Africa are not necessarily going to get involved in an extended conflict.

Yes they will. the relations with some of them is not good but when it becomes necessary they will report to duty despite the differences. Algeria is the only odd child but it will come when necessary and if called upon. The North African countries are very strong militarily Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia and Algeria. They are the backbone of the cohesive unit of the gulf where as the reamining bloster the ranks of the brotherhood.

Morocco and Egypt are on good terms with the gulf whereas Tunisa and Algeria are not.. These two are more friendly with Turkey but it doesn't mean they won't report to duty when Arab NATO come calling

 

[Arian]

Don't confuse having political ties with a certain country as invasion lmao. Take it easy with that. First of Lebanon as in the gov't has no ties with Iran but Iran has ties with a non state actor entity in Lebanon which is clearly different thing. Even having relations with Syria back in 80s means nothing. You haven't conquered a piece of land since the fall of the sassind empire

I never said we had invaded them. I said we control them which is true. We have huge influence in those countries.
First of all, Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese system. They have seats in the Lebanese parliament. Secondly, Hezbollah is much more powerful than the Lebanese Army.

I know you're not the brightest candle on the cake, but Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, The United Arab Emirates, parts of Iraq, parts of Arabia, all were invaded by Iran after the Sassanid Empire and belonged to Iran until we lost them to the Ottoman Empire or the British empire. Arabs on the other hand were completely defeated by the Ottomans and they've been a total failure since then. You exist on the map again because of the British and French colonialism. Where do you think all these Shia people in the Arab world come from if not Iran? LOL

 

[Titanium100]

I never said we had invaded them. I said we control them which is true. We have huge influence in those countries.
First of all, Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese system. They have seats in the Lebanese parliament. Secondly, Hezbollah is much more powerful than the Lebanese Army.

I know you're not the brightest candle on the cake, but Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, The United Arab Emirates, parts of Iraq, parts of Arabia, all were invaded by Iran after the Sassanid Empire and belonged to Iran until we lost them to the Ottoman Empire or the British empire. Arabs on the other hand were completely defeated by the Ottomans and they've been a total failure since then. You exist on the map again because of the British and French colonialism. Where do you think all these Shia people in the Arab world come from if not Iran? LOL

These people have been living in Taqiya all along. Iran itself was sunni until recently they converted to Shiasm. Which means Iran only became Shia in 1600s which is fairly recently. The Safavids were Sunni sultanate themselves. These arabs converted the Iranians once again.

Lets agree to disagree here. I am of the opinion you haven't seen glory since the sassinad empire you have been checked and this will continue. These socalled semitic people were mostly jewish tribes you ranover multiple times and enslaved.. And other semitic people like the Assyrians while the Arabs came from the Peninsula deep down in the deserts. There was no contact line with Sassinads once they came out of the deserts they become your masters

 

[Enigma SIG]

Morocco and Egypt are on good terms with the gulf whereas Tunisa and Algeria are not.. These two are more friendly with Turkey but it doesn't mean they won't report to duty when Arab NATO come calling

Arab NATO?

Middle east has been a shithole since the last 30 or so years don't recall any Arab NATO willing to come to any Arab country's aid.

Hell GCC would've bombed Qatar if it weren't for them being part of GCC too

 

[waz]

US leaves, Iran and Turkey, with Russia and China smiling.
Not a good move, but then again it’s Biden...

 

[Arian]

These people have been living in Taqiya all along. Iran itself was sunni until recently they converted to Shiasm. Which means Iran only became Shia in 1600s which is fairly recently. The Safavids were Sunni sultanate themselves. These arabs converted the Iranians once again.

Lets agree to disagree here. I am of the opinion you haven't seen glory since the sassind empire. These socalled semitic people were mostly jewish tribes you ranover multiple times and enslaved.. And other semitic people like the Assyrians while the Arabs came from the Peninsula deep down in the deserts. There was no contact line with Sassinads

Recently? The Safavid Empire was established 500 years ago. Are you seriously that misinformed about history? The Safavid Empire became the first empire in history which accepted the Shiite Islam and you say they were Sunnis? LOL Ever heard the word Qizilbash? It's cute that you think they were Arabs. LOL

There's nothing to disagree here. You're just proving that you're completely ignorant about history. Anyway, if you want to engage Iran in a war, you should first start by simpler missions. Like taking backing the capital of Yemen from a group that barely has 10,000 soldiers after over 5 years. Then you can try your luck with Hezbollah or PMU and see how you'll fare against them.

 

[Titanium100]

Recently? The Safavid Empire was established 500 years ago. Are you seriously that misinformed about history? The Safavid Empire became the first empire in history which accepted the Shiite Islam and you say they were Sunnis? LOL Ever heard the word Qizilbash? It's cute that you think they were Arabs. LOL

There's nothing to disagree here. You're just proving that you're completely ignorant about history. Anyway, if you want to engage Iran in a war, you should first start by simpler missions. Like taking backing the capital of Yemen from a group that barely has 10,000 soldiers after over 5 years. Then you can try your luck with Hezbollah or PMU and see how you'll fare against them.

The safavid were Sunni until they converted 100-150 years later.. Learn your own history all the iranian people were sunni also. Not that it matter what they were or are now.. It is irrelevant.

Your still talking about significant civil skirmishes. Learn your own history. I leave you with that.

It will be like that scene from GoT tv series where the white walkers clashed with a tiny amount of barbarians the scale was just to significiant on one side.. Some small ragtag militias who are lightly armed won't be able to stand against gigantic well drilled and armed coailition

 

[Arian]

The safavid were Sunni until they converted 100-150 years later.. Learn your own history all the iranian people were sunni also. Not that it matter what they were or are now.. Since the sassinad times no forward..

Your still talking about significant civil war.. Learn your own history. I leave you with that.

It will be like that scene from GoT tv series where the white walkers clashed with a tiny amount of barbarians the scale was just to significiant on one side.. Some small ragtag militias who are lightly armed won't be able to stand against gigantic well drilled and armed coailition

What an imbecile. lol The Safaviyeh founder, Ismail I, who was a son of Sheikh Heydar, a notable Qizilbash, established the Safavid dynasty and at the very beginning, he declared Shiite Islam as the official religion. The Safavid dynasty started as a Shiite dynasty because its founder was the son of the leader of the largest Shiite militia at the time.

Ismail I (Persian: اسماعیل‎, romanized: Esmāʿīl, pronounced [esmɒːʔiːl]; July 17, 1487 – May 23, 1524), also known as Shah Ismail I (شاه اسماعیل), was the founder of the Safavid dynasty, ruling from 1501 to 23 May 1524 as Shah of Iran (Persia).

One of his first actions, was the proclamation of the Twelver sect of Shia Islam to be the official religion of his newly formed state, which had major consequences for the ensuing history of Iran. Furthermore, this drastic act also gave him a political benefit of separating the growing Safavid state from its strong Sunni neighbors—the Ottoman Empire to the west and the Uzbek confederation to the east. However, it brought into the Iranian body politic the implied inevitability of consequent conflict between the shah, the design of a "secular" state, and the religious leaders, who saw all secular states as unlawful and whose absolute ambition was a theocratic state.

You are ignorant about history. There's nothing for me to learn here. You need to learn about the Safavid Empire before you spew nonsense here. Go fact yourself.

You watch movies too much. But I'm not surprised. You spend your time on watching Game of Thrones instead of educating yourself to sound less ignorant. LOL There's a good reason that a bunch of sandal wearing militia are kicking your incompetent a$$ in Yemen now.

 

[Titanium100]

What an imbecile. lol The Safaviyeh founder, Ismail I, who was a son of Sheikh Heydar, a notable Qizilbash, established the Safavid dynasty and at the very beginning, he declared Shiite Islam as the official religion. The Safavid dynasty started as a Shiite dynasty because its founder was the son of the largest Shiite militia at the time.

You are ignorant about history. There's nothing for me to learn here. You need to learn about the Safavid Empire before you spew nonsense here. Go fact yourself.

You watch movies too much. But I'm not surprised. You spend your time on watching Game of Thrones instead of educating yourself to sound less ignorant. LOL There's a good reason that a bunch of sandal wearing militia are kicking your incompetent a$$ in Yemen now.

Lol. The meaning of kickass has been changed on the dictionary I guess. who is besieged, starved, bombarded on daily basis? Not the Saudis and who got checkmated by the warring factions inside Yemen ofcourse the Houthis. They are going nowhere militarily they know this themselves and have come to terms with it that Islah and Hadi are just to strong of entities except to accept them and put the armies down and accept settlement without conflict. But you got your *** handed to you by some rebels until you begged russia to save you that is something factual you can't deny. Atleast the Saudis are still fighting and it is ongoing but you lost and going to moscow which is well documented.

Nobody is losing sleep over that. When Islah and Hadi is there. Try to learn your history again. I don't know where you got that history from but try to dig deep into your own history not the altered one.

Don't push your luck any further... The moment is coming to your doorsteps it is unavoidable.

We can go in circles in this talk but the key thing to take away is it's coming. We will happily dance with you since your provocations is reaching mainstream it is spreading. We will come and won't disappoint you

 

[Arian]

Lol. The meaning of kickass has been changed on the dictionary I guess. You is besieged, starved, bombarded daily basis? Not the Saudis and who could checkmated by the warring factions inside Yemen ofcourse the Houthis. They are going nowhere military they no this themselves and have come to terms with it. Islah and Hadi are just to strong of entities except them and put the armies and accept settlement without conflict.

Nobody is losing sleep over that. When Islah and Hadi is there. Try to learn your history again. I don't know where you got that history from but try to dig deep into your own history not the altered one

They have hit your critical oil infrastructure so many times that we have lost count. For a group of 10,000 soldiers, that's pretty impressive. Also, they have won numerous battles on the ground. When you think about it, defeating 10,000 people should not be a problem for a well-trained army. The only problem is your incompetency. ISIL claimed they had 100,000 fighters and they were defeated to the point that they're almost irrelevant now.

They are controlling the capital while also marching towards Ma'reb (or however it's spelled in English). You cannot return the Yemeni government to power without San'aa. And we need them to keep our presence near the Red Sea and they're doing that pretty well. You've failed to reduce their presence near the Red Sea, which is of vital importance for you and your allies because it reduces your dependence on the Strait of Hormuz. Look at the big picture and you will see how much you have failed in 5 years.

Also, you were proven wrong completely about the Safavid dynasty by indisputable historical facts. If you are ignorant and you don't want to learn, you will continue to remain ignorant. That's your problem though. I can't care less about it.

 

[Titanium100]

They have hit your critical oil infrastructure so many times that we have lost count. For a group of 10,000 soldiers, that's pretty impressive. Also, they have won numerous battles on the ground. When you think about it, defeating 10,000 people should not be a problem for a well-trained army. The only problem is your incompetency. ISIL claimed they had 100,000 fighters and they were defeated to the point that they're almost irrelevant now.

They are controlling the capital while also marching towards Ma'reb (or however it's spelled in English). You cannot return the Yemeni government to power without San'aa. And we need them to keep our presence near the Red Sea and they're doing that pretty well. You've failed to reduce their presence near the Red Sea, which is of vital importance for you and your allies because it reduces your dependence on the Strait of Hormuz. Look at the big picture and you will see how much you have failed in 5 years.

Also, you were proven wrong completely about the Safavid dynasty by indisputable historical facts. If you are ignorant and you don't want to learn, you will continue to remain ignorant. That's your problem though. I can't care less about it.

10.000? They are not 10.000 they are larger tribes then that. San'aa is there tribal heartland and the areas they control is there tribal areas. It may seem significiant but when you think about it is there heartland. They don't have the economical zones nor the large cities outside of San'aa. You shouldn't focus so much on the Saudis but the forces fighting them inside Yemen it takes two to dance tango. Even if the Saudis were to reduce presence the other tribes fighting them will continue fighting the Houthis. It is endless until someone gets knocked out. So claiming victory while your opponent is pretty much strong and in front of you is unethical. Or thinking some homemade drone that made the news is victory is short-sightness.

This war could go on for another decade. There is no easy way out of it for the Houthis or anyone thinking this was never gonna turn into a marathon was wrong and it could even go on for 20-30 years and become a generational war.

Ones you start rebeliions like that shouting it out is vertically impossible something the Houthis may have not realized before but that is how things function. Do they have the stamina to go on for so long. I doubt it and this war is not even in it's infancy age.

Afghanistan closes down soon and Syria already did that. Yemen becomes the only market available for all these who are war-lovers where everyone will join and it becomes a market place. The ball will keep rolling inside Yemen and it is in everyones interest that it does.

All the war enthusiast will need a new home if you close down some others from them which is what happened here. Every country will be pleased with this just dumping them there to have their little war utopia enclosed area

 

[Ichigo]

Well the US should also leave Afghanistan. They are incapable to control moddle east and Afghanistan. Let china handle it.


Actually genuine americans will agree but those mr brown americans are actually more loyal than others. See how they use the term "we" when talking of america, in reality when they go out on the streets, the white teenagers abuse them n make fun of them.

lol the brown americans damn spot on... poor peeps have to...

 

[Arian]

10.000? They are not 10.000 they are larger tribes then that. San'aa is there tribal heartland and the areas they control is there tribal areas. It may seem significiant but when you think about it is there heartland. They don't have the economical zones nor the large cities outside of San'aa. You shouldn't focus so much on the Saudis but the forces fighting them inside Yemen it takes two to dance tango. Even if the Saudis were to reduce presence the other tribes fighting them will continue fighting the Houthis. It is endless until someone gets knocked out. So claiming victory while your opponent is pretty much strong and in front of you is unethical. Or thinking some homemade drone that made the news is victory is short-sightness.

This war could go on for another decade. There is no easy way out of it for the Houthis or anyone thinking this was never gonna turn into a marathon was wrong and it could even go on for 20-30 years and become a generational war.

Ones you start rebeliions like that shouting it out is vertically impossible something the Houthis may have not realized before but that is how things function. Do they have the stamina to go on for so long. I doubt it and this war is not even in it's infancy age.

Afghanistan closes down soon and Syria already did that. Yemen becomes the only market available where everyone will join and it becomes a market place. The ball will keep rolling inside Yemen and it is in everyones interest that it does

Let's end our discussion by predicting the future of the region in 2025. OK?

What do you think will happen by then? You get one post to write your own predictions and I will write my predictions too. Then we can return to our predictions in 2025 (if this thread and website still exist) and see how much of our predictions have become true. Deal?

 

[Titanium100]

Let's end our discussion by predicting the future of the region in 2025. OK?

What do you think will happen by then? You get one post to write your own predictions and I will write my predictions too. Then we can return to our predictions in 2025 (if this thread and website still exist) and see how much of our predictions have become true. Deal?

Okay drop me a PM. I will reply