US declassifies its strategy to use India against China

[Itachi]

Unlike India, US can maintain and sustain a push or a reset.

Exactly.

 

[Nan Yang]

Did the Chinese students on Tiananmen Square have arms? The apt comparison would be in Punjab yes but with the Amritsar Massacre.

Riot? Is that what they call it in China?

Noone died at TAM square. No leader of China would dare allow blood to be spill at the Gate of Heaven, Tian An Men.

Here are a few more examples of what western journalists once said about what happened in Tiananmen Square in June 1989:

CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]” — thus wrote CBS News reporter Richard Roth.

BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square” — BBC reporter, James Miles, wrote in 2009.

NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.

REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.

But did people die in China? Yes, about 200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.

WIKILEAKS: A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”

yup

Before forging an alliance beware their true intentions - Sun Tzu.

 

[Peace be there]

Discarding LKY's advice in breaking up India into pieces India has chosen to bet on the wrong horse. America itself still hasn't learned its lessons despite all the setbacks. The continuation of this very dangerous strategic game will lead nowhere for the average Americans which is sadly not the concern of the elite. I fully understand the lack of options so courting India is a must have piece for America's grand scheme. But Indians should be aware that they have become our target to be destroyed too in the event of war with US. Let that moment sink in for a moment as nuclear options is on the table. It is not wise to meddle with our unification plan.

 

[KaiserX]

What exactly has India gained from being anti-China?

 

[tower9]

What exactly has India gained from being anti-China?

It's only lost. That's why Modi made a strategic blunder.

 

[bshifter]

Your argument could have stood well until you brought the Modi jibe.
US was never weak and never will be. China at the moment has lot of disposable money and that’s about it.
We are yet to see see the world welcoming China with open arms as a world power, heck even Pakistanis are in doubt!!

how much investment has come to Pakistan in last 2 years? How many new loans has China given in recent times? The world has woken up to economic imperialism of China. Even if US tries to do something the G 20 sans China will back it up how many in the G 20 do you think back China at the moment?

You need to get this straight, China is not waiting for the world to accept it as a world power. I already defined what world power means. It is to influence the world on geopolitics, economics, financial institutions, diplomacy. China has said the era of a unipolar world order is coming to an end as we are now in a multipolar world order which is what it prefers. China has no ambitions emulating the British or the American Empire having colonies or putting hundreds of military bases around the globe. Or what about sanction countries through SWIFT.
I have not even touched the subject of bombing neighbors or far away countries at will, which is something China will never aspire. Maybe you admire this sort of American imperialistic traits and touting this as world power.

To say US was never weak, your Indian brain lack historical knowledge. You think the US when it was founded was a global power? It was the decline of the British Empire and WW2 that turned US into a world power when most parts of the world were in shambles as US was separated by two huge oceans leaving its infrastructure unharmed.

Why you call China an economic imperialism is beyond me. The US abusing the SWIFT system and locking out countries is not imperialistic? As tower9 pointed out IMF and Worldbank interest, go check it out. You will see how the West is demanding you to sell an arm and a leg to secure a loan.

The US was a world power from the 60s to 2008, especially after the fall of USSR in the early 90s where it had free imperialistic reign. Now with a declining US, a rising China and the re-emergence of Russia no more unipolar world. You are obsessed the US as a world power which is imperialistic but criticize China for being an economic imperialist which is totally untrue. You are contradicting yourself. Former Greek Finance Minister Varoufakis said China is far more humanistic than the US will ever be.

US will remain as a military super power for a very long time that will not change but that doesn't tell the whole picture. US as a declining power has been going on for a while now if you weren't biased you can see it too.

Signs of US decline: Obama couldn't have the world side against China's SCS issue with a few ASEAN countries. He couldn't stop the majority of the world not to join AIIB. He couldn't prevent countries joining BRI. US needed money in 2008 financial crisis and China was the one who bought those debt. Trump withdrew the Paris Agreement and abandons JCPOA drawing criticism from EU and other involved countries. Trump handled Covid very badly is mildly put. Trump recklessly fought China in a trade & tech war resulted in many job losses, affecting businesses globally. The end result was met with American failure. US also failed to stop Germany abandoning Nordstream 2 after many attempts going as far as threatening Germany. The only success it did achieve was forcing most European countries not to use Huawei 5g but with Biden coming into office these countries could flip flop. US big tech deplatforming a US president making sure his voice cannot be heard is a joke to US as a nation. It is unimaginable to have Modi's voice shut by Indian tech & media companies or Queen Elizabeth silenced by British counterparts. By the end of 2020 EU signed the deal with China which the US tried to stop but failed. So you are telling me the US is still a world power where its allies still bow to US demand?

 

[tower9]

You need to get this straight, China is not waiting for the world to accept it as a world power. I already defined what world power means. It is to influence the world on geopolitics, economics, financial institutions, diplomacy. China has said the era of a unipolar world order is coming to an end as we are now in a multipolar world order which is what it prefers. China has no ambitions emulating the British or the American Empire having colonies or putting hundreds of military bases around the globe. Or what about sanction countries through SWIFT.
I have not even touched the subject of bombing neighbors or far away countries at will, which is something China will never aspire. Maybe you admire this sort of American imperialistic traits and touting this as world power.

To say US was never weak, your Indian brain lack historical knowledge. You think the US when it was founded was a global power? It was the decline of the British Empire and WW2 that turned US into a world power when most parts of the world were in shambles as US was separated by two huge oceans leaving its infrastructure unharmed.

Why you call China an economic imperialism is beyond me. The US abusing the SWIFT system and locking out countries is not imperialistic? As tower9 pointed out IMF and Worldbank interest, go check it out. You will see how the West is demanding you to sell an arm and a leg to secure a loan.

The US was a world power from the 60s to 2008, especially after the fall of USSR in the early 90s where it had free imperialistic reign. Now with a declining US, a rising China and the re-emergence of Russia no more unipolar world. You are obsessed the US as a world power which is imperialistic but criticize China for being an economic imperialist which is totally untrue. You are contradicting yourself. Former Greek Finance Minister Varoufakis said China is far more humanistic than the US will ever be.

US will remain as a military super power for a very long time that will not change but that doesn't tell the whole picture. US as a declining power has been going on for a while now if you weren't biased you can see it too.

Signs of US decline: Obama couldn't have the world side against China's SCS issue with a few ASEAN countries. He couldn't stop the majority of the world not to join AIIB. He couldn't prevent countries joining BRI. US needed money in 2008 financial crisis and China was the one who bought those debt. Trump withdrew the Paris Agreement and abandons JCPOA drawing criticism from EU and other involved countries. Trump handled Covid very badly is mildly put. Trump recklessly fought China in a trade & tech war resulted in many job losses, affecting businesses globally. The end result was met with American failure. US also failed to stop Germany abandoning Nordstream 2 after many attempts going as far as threatening Germany. The only success it did achieve was forcing most European countries not to use Huawei 5g but with Biden coming into office these countries could flip flop. US big tech deplatforming a US president making sure his voice cannot be heard is a joke to US as a nation. It is unimaginable to have Modi's voice shut by Indian tech & media companies or Queen Elizabeth silenced by British counterparts.

Exactly. That's what a lot of the anti-China posters here do not get. China is already a superpower. It doesn't take the US recognizing it as one to make it one. It already is. They don't realize that we are basically just telling them facts. The same facts that they cannot accept and refuse to see. Yet these are the actual facts on the ground.

China is already the world's industrial giant. Larger than the US. The US hasn't lost this role since 1890 and it is no coincidence that the 20th century was the American century, because it had the most powerful economy and industrial base.

China is already the world's largest market for almost all goods.

China is the world's largest creditor nation BY FAR.

China is already single handedly changing the world and it will do so regardless of what the West says and does. Sure, people like Trump and Pompeo saying mean things will give China an annoying mosquito bite, but it is not going to stop China from becoming a superpower. At this point, it is clear that China's rise is unstoppable and irrefutable.

 

[bshifter]

Exactly. That's what a lot of the anti-China posters here do not get. China is already a superpower. It doesn't take the US recognizing it as one to make it one. It already is. They don't realize that we are basically just telling them facts. The same facts that they cannot accept and refuse to see. Yet these are the actual facts on the ground.

China is already the world's industrial giant. Larger than the US. The US hasn't lost this role since 1890 and it is no coincidence that the 20th century was the American century, because it had the most powerful economy and industrial base.

China is already the world's largest market for almost all goods.

China is the world's largest creditor nation BY FAR.

China is already single handedly changing the world and it will do so regardless of what the West says and does. Sure, people like Trump and Pompeo saying mean things will give China an annoying mosquito bite, but it is not going to stop China from becoming a superpower. At this point, it is clear that China's rise is unstoppable and irrefutable.

Well said, the US is not the only super power around. China and Russia are both military super powers, our voices play a very important role in international affairs as we know how to do diplomacy. China is already an economic super power, there's not much to add to that statement. Newspapers everywhere printing China will overtake US in 2027 or 2028. I know some idiots here keeps hammering the US is the only super power or that it is a world power for many years to come. When we present them these facts they can no longer deny those events never took place or turn a blind eye to what China has achieved. US global influence is waning, just accept this fact. Not all countries or allies will do everything what the US tells it to do.

The US is becoming so desperate that it is begging India to join its efforts to contain China. Modi thinks it is up to the task to defeat the giant neighbor. This miscalculation will cost India dearly especially in years to come dealing with the pandemic. Getting involved in a battle between two super powers, India will only harm its own interest.

 

[mingle]

Trump's gone, as has the more aggressive policy.
Yes there's the deep state, but with home issues at their worst for decades I don't feel the US has got confrontations overseas high on their list of priorities.

They start wetting theior own National Guards currently stationed at DC now who voted for Trump and leaning towards him

 

[nahtanbob]

Should includes the following:-
1) UNSC Veto Power
2) Top Olympic Sporting Power
3) Manned Space Capability
4) Credible Triad Nuclear deterrent
5) Top GDP Power

I do not think India has any of the above.

Nobody cares about sports - it is all about who can dope the best without getting caught

Manned space capability is all about bragging rights.

Well said, the US is not the only super power around. China and Russia are both military super powers, our voices play a very important role in international affairs as we know how to do diplomacy. China is already an economic super power, there's not much to add to that statement. Newspapers everywhere printing China will overtake US in 2027 or 2028. I know some idiots here keeps hammering the US is the only super power or that it is a world power for many years to come. When we present them these facts they can no longer deny those events never took place or turn a blind eye to what China has achieved. US global influence is waning, just accept this fact. Not all countries or allies will do everything what the US tells it to do.

The US is becoming so desperate that it is begging India to join its efforts to contain China. Modi thinks it is up to the task to defeat the giant neighbor. This miscalculation will cost India dearly especially in years to come dealing with the pandemic. Getting involved in a battle between two super powers, India will only harm its own interest.

If India is inconsequential China will not pulling stunts like Galwan and propping up Pakistan with $60 billion in uneconomical projects.

Actions speak louder than words

 

[GumNaam]

Declassified Report Shows How US Wants To Co-Opt India Into Its Anti-China Strategy ‘For Next 50 Years’

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ByHaider Abbas
January 16, 2021

The US has declassified a confidential report highlighting the importance of India in the Indo-Pacific and how Washington plans to decimate China in the region amid the South China Sea tussle.


After the signing of BECA between India and the US, the outgoing administration of President Donald Trump has clearly laid the foundation for the upcoming tasks to be undertaken by his successor Joseph Biden, which is primarily to force China into submission, potentially with the Indian support.

A 10-page report prepared by Robert C O’Brien, Assistant to the President, for US National Security Affairs, on January 5, 2021, shows how the US plans to decimate China in the Indo-Pacific amid the continued tussle in the South China Sea from the recent past.

Robert C O’Brien has lauded India and the importance of the Indo-Pacific for the US interests. The report says,

“The United States is and always has been an Indo-Pacific nation. From our first trading ships that departed for China just eight years after the American Revolution, to establishing our first diplomatic presence in India in 1794, US engagement in the region has been built on trade, cooperation, and shared sacrifice, yielding peace and prosperity enjoyed across the region today.

The United States Strategic Framework for the Indo-Pacific has served, for the last three years, as the Trump Administration’s overarching strategic guidance for implementing the President’s 2017 National Security Strategy (NSS) within the world’s most populous and economically dynamic region.

“The NSS recognizes that the most consequential challenge to the interests of the United States, and those of our allies and partners (read India), is the growing rivalry between free and repressive visions (read China) of the future. To realize America’s positive vision for the region, and to address the unprecedented challenges that Indo-Pacific nations face to their sovereignty, prosperity, and peace, in February 2018, President Trump approved the Framework for implementation across executive branch departments and agencies.

The original document has been declassified and released, to communicate to the American people and to our allies and partners America’s enduring commitment to this vital region.”


This highly confidential report has now been released to the public, and perhaps, it proves clearly that the Kashmir imbroglio, towards which India is looking eye-to-eye for a joint war from China and Pakistan, had been well crafted for the US interests.

Before August 5, 2019, when Indian PM Narendra Modi scrapped Article 370, withdrawing special status to the erstwhile state of Jammu & Kashmir, Trump had offered to mediate between India and Pakistan twice.

And later when India had lost 20 of its soldiers fighting China, he had again made the same offer, before India was assimilated into BECA, and hence, thereby becoming its military ally probably for the next 50 years.

With India now settled as a willing partner in the overall US game plan against China, Trump has declared as to how the former is to be utilized towards ‘specific issues of importance for the Indo-Pacific and beyond’, which would fulfill the prospects of “US Strategic Approach to the People’s Republic of China, the U.S. Strategic Framework for Countering China’s Economic Aggression, the U.S. Campaign Plan for Countering China’s Malign Influence in International Organizations, and others.”

Robert C O’Brien highlights how the US will try to foment sovereignty (read Taiwan) as he calls “Beijing (to be) increasingly pressuring Indo-Pacific nations to subordinate their freedom and sovereignty to a ‘common destiny’ envisioned by the Chinese Communist Party. The US approach is different. We seek to ensure that our allies and partners – all who share the values and aspirations of a free and open Indo-Pacific – can preserve and protect their sovereignty.”

He later makes it clear that the “United States has a long history of fighting back against repressive regimes on behalf of those who value freedom and openness.

As the world’s largest economy, with the strongest military and a vibrant democracy, it is incumbent on the United States to lead from the front”.

Therefore, the coming years will see the US supporting its partners’ ‘complementary approaches to regional engagement’ that include Japan’s Free and Open Indo-Pacific concept, Australia’s Indo-Pacific concept, and India’s Security and Growth for All in the Region (SAGAR).

This is precisely what QUAD is. All these initiatives were quite long on the cards to counter China, and even Russia, which has called out India’s motives. Very soon, QUAD is to enlarge its presence and align with its allies’ similar strategies, such as the “the Republic of Korea’s New Southern Policy, Taiwan’s New Southbound Policy, and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations’ (ASEAN) Outlook on the Indo-Pacific.”

Many of these concepts and approaches are resonating globally, with countries such as France and Germany publishing their own policy frameworks for the Indo-Pacific.

The confidential report still has certain parts blackened-out and on its Page 5 it specifically focuses on India and South Asia and defines its objective to “accelerate India’s rise and capacity to serve as a net provider of security and Major Defense Partners; solidity an enduring strategic partnership with India underpinned by a strong Indian military able to effectively collaborate with the United States and our partners in the region to address shared interests”.

It calls for actions to “build a stronger foundation for defense cooperation and interoperability; expand our defense trade and ability to transfer defense technology to enhance India’s status as a Major Defense Partners; increase our cooperation on shared regional security concerns and encourage India’s engagement beyond the Indian Ocean Region; support India’s membership in the Nuclear Suppliers Group, and work with India towards domestic economic reform and an increased Leadership role in the East Asia Summit (EAS) and ADMM.”

The report even mentions the “Offer of support to India – through diplomatic military, and intelligence channels – to help address continental challenges such as the border dispute with China and access to water, including the Brahmaputra and other rivers facing diversion to China.”

It says the US could extend support to “India’s Act East’ policy and its aspiration to be a leading global power, highlighting and its compatibility with the U.S, Japanese, and Australian vision of a free and open Indo-Specific”.

It also calls for building regional support for US-India Common Principles in the Indian Ocean, including unimpeded commerce, transparent infrastructure – debt practices, and peaceful resolution of territorial disputes.

The report doesn’t shy away from advocating for “partnering with India on cyber and space security and maritime domain awareness, expanding US-India intelligence sharing and analytic exchanges, creating a more robust intelligence partnership.”

The report puts its objective again which is to “strengthen the capacity of emerging partners in South Asia, including the Maldives, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka, to contribute to a free and open order.

It also calls for supporting the creation of a maritime information fusion center” in the Indian Ocean, establishing a regional forum to promote common principles and standards.

How China confronts this joint US game plan with Russia’s help will be interesting to see, and the policy would be the major challenge for Joseph Biden to undertake.

Declassified Report Shows How US Wants To Co-Opt India Into Its Anti-China Strategy 'For Next 50 Years'

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all of the regional players in the south China sea region just got done signing the biggest free trade agreement in history with China late last year. their economies now totally depend on China. the u.s. along with its bitch india are sailing all alone. The writing on the wall is that it will be China that will be doing the decimations!

But US failed miserably, India is just a useful fool for US, but US itself now is collapsing in all fronts.

india has proven to be an utter disappointment for america. washington was hoping for an all out hot war between China and india by now, perhaps even a nuclear one that would've decimated india while severely damaging China. but to america's dismay, in spite of all the butt-patting and arm twisting they did last year with a high profile pompeo and defence secratary's visit where they made it clear america's support is contingent upon india taking aggressive actions against China, the most that washington got out of india is new delhi's frowny face to Beijing after getting repeatedly humiliating by China in the battlefields. but alas, india is the only poodle that washington can use...the rest of the regional players including a supposedly hostile japan, australia and even taiwan are far FAR too smart to mess with the red dragon. their economic prosperity depends almost entirely on China in spite of their disdain for China. they are not gonna become america's guns for hire any time in the near or far future. india was the only one stupid enough to fall for this "strategic partnership" and volunteer its neck for sacrifice.

 

[tower9]

all of the regional players in the south China sea region just got done signing the biggest free trade agreement in history with China late last year. their economies now totally depend on China. the u.s. along with its bitch india are sailing all alone. The writing on the wall is that it will be China that will be doing the decimations!

india has proven to be an utter disappointment for america. washington was hoping for an all out hot war between China and india by now, perhaps even a nuclear one that would've decimated india while severely damaging China. but to america's dismay, in spite of all the butt-patting and arm twisting they did last year with a high profile pompeo and defence secratary's visit where they made it clear america's support is contingent upon india taking aggressive actions against China, the most that washington got out of india is new delhi's frowny face to Beijing after getting repeatedly humiliating by China in the battlefields. but alas, india is the only poodle that washington can use...the rest of the regional players including a supposedly hostile japan, australia and even taiwan are far FAR too smart to mess with the red dragon. their economic prosperity depends almost entirely on China in spite of their disdain for China. they are not gonna become america's guns for hire any time in the near or far future. india was the only one stupid enough to fall for this "strategic partnership" and volunteer its neck for sacrifice.

I've pretty much concluded that at this point China's rise is unstoppable and I think the Globalists are beginning to accept that as well and may move to a period of reduced competition as they continue to try to infiltrate the mighty dragon so they don't lose everything.

 

[GumNaam]

I've pretty much concluded that at this point China's rise is unstoppable and I think the Globalists are beginning to accept that as well and may move to a period of reduced competition as they continue to try to infiltrate the mighty dragon so they don't lose everything.

that is going to be the real test for China. it is clear that China cannot be defeated or even remotely subdued through sanctions or military hostility. the only option left for the globalists (we call 'em zionists) is to buddy-buddy China into coming close to them so that they can make inroads into China's government and economy and then try to destroy China from within. China must make sure that they are never let in under any cost.

 

[tower9]

that is going to be the real test for China. it is clear that China cannot be defeated or even remotely subdued through sanctions or military hostility. the only option left for the globalists (we call 'em zionists) is to buddy-buddy China into coming close to them so that they can make inroads into China's government and economy and then try to destroy China from within. China must make sure that they are never let in under any cost.

This is little known to the outside world but the Globalists were making major inroads into China during the Hu Jintao administration and were betting on their man Bo Xilai to become the next Gorbachev who would democratize China and let the globalists in. Xi Jinping came into power and destroyed the globalist influence in Beijing and this is why we experienced several years of fierce anti-China policies. But even with all the disruptions they have tried, from Xinjiang to Hong Kong, from the trade/tech war to Covid, the Globalists have failed to thwart China and China has emerged more powerful than ever.

Biden has been providing many hints that he will be drawing down the overtly hostile anti-China policies of Trump and I think that is a major sign that the globalists are beginning to accept that China will be rising. However, Xi also compromised and allowed a lot of Wall Street entities to set up shop in Shanghai. So maybe they will eventually win somehow.

 

[GumNaam]

This is little known to the outside world but the Globalists were making major inroads into China during the Hu Jintao administration and were betting on their man Bo Xilai to become the next Gorbachev who would democratize China and let the globalists in. Xi Jinping came into power and destroyed the globalist influence in Beijing and this is why we experienced several years of fierce anti-China policies. But even with all the disruptions they have tried, from Xinjiang to Hong Kong, from the trade/tech war to Covid, the Globalists have failed to thwart China and China has emerged more powerful than ever.

Biden has been providing many hints that he will be drawing down the overtly hostile anti-China policies of Trump and I think that is a major sign that the globalists are beginning to accept that China will be rising. However, Xi also compromised and allowed a lot of Wall Street entities to set up shop in Shanghai. So maybe they will eventually win somehow.

I sincerely hope Xi is using the "keep friends close, enemies closer" policy and not falling for wall street's "sweet poison". President Xi should make a sustained and concerted effort to replace the dollar with the Renminbi as the global currency for international trade. the dollar is full of inherited debt while China's currency is debt free.