US daren't launch attack on Iran: Cmdr.

[Mehrdad]

Even Muhammad (PBUH) relegated this in the Q'uran

Having trouble finding the right verse in Quran? Genesis, really? What about Joshua or Psalms?

And God said unto Abraham: "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
-Genesis 12:3

God Said unto Abraham, "I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed."
-Genesis 26:4

God said unto Abraham, "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies."
-Genesis 22:17

 

[Zabaniyah]

There is no such thing as a "popular" or "usual" stakeholder when it concerns geopolitical dynamics, Zabaniya.

Every country have their own interests. It's just that Iran is...odd.

 

[USAHawk785]

Genesis is a perfect source as it presents the irrefutable promise God Most Merciful and Most Powerful made to the People of Israel. It is a living and eternal covenant between God and Israel.

Thank you for providing your reference in the Q'uran as well.

 

[LeGenD]

Guys! Shall we stop trading verses from holy books?

Allah Almighty judges every nation. The wrongdoers get punished and jews are no exception. However, Allah Almighty is most merciful too and he can give chance to every individual - believer or not.

What I liked about member USAHawk785 is that he has studied several holy books and he praises God. May Allah give this man the opportunity to choose the correct path in life. Ameen.

 

[lem34]

Well we have been told fpr 30 years Americans/Israelis are gonna do something. Wish they would stop taking hot air

 

[LeGenD]

Well we have been told fpr 30 years Americans/Israelis are gonna do something. Wish they would stop taking hot air

I hope they don't do anything and resolve the issue peacefully. This is for Iran too.

 

[lem34]

Israel exists today because it existed in the same location over 2 millenia ago. Israel cannot be defeated by any military power.

American Foreign Policy is unchangeably intertwined with Israel.

Well I am sure that when the Europeans first took Jerusalem they thought the same as you. 100 years later they were kicked out

Nope, why should one believe an idiot?

Same reason that American idiots take instructions from Israeli idiots in AIPAC

The United States will be involved if diplomatic talks fail. No one wants a war in the region, the UN Security Council has already met up to talk with the Iranians on negotiating terms. Right now, the ball is in Tehran's court.

Addendum: Iranian threat in shutting the Strait of Hormuz does not help their case; as well as threatening USN forces in the region. It would be to Iran's detriment to test American resolve in this issue.

You are wrong American geo strategic aims are to regime change in Iran defang Pakistan of it's nukes contain China use India as it's proxy go do some reading I suggest

Do not forget Israel had close military cooperation with Iran and knows about its actual strength, not the legends of the Iranian propaganda. Iran is a paper tiger when conventional strength is concerned, its real military leverage is using terror proxies such as Hizbuallah and missiles. Iran can annoy Israel, but not defeat it. On the other hand, Israel has the military strength to strike Iran with a serious blow.

And this is what waits for Iran even without American intervention.

That should encourage them to get moving on building those nukes that's if they haven't already got them

WHY ISRAEL WILL decisively defeat IRAN if there is an all-out war.

1.Israel has more than 200 atomic devices vs Iran which may have 1 soon.Even if Iran bought nuclear devices from other rogue states, the retaliation from Israel would be the equivalent of 2,000 plus hiroshimas.

2.The 200 plus Israeli atomic devices are unstoppable by Iran i.e. up to 80 can be launched by submarines and the rest by ICBM or F-15s or F-16s

3.Israel has the world's most advanced anti-ICBM missile umbrella which may be impenetrable by Iranian Shahib missles . Iran can only deliver their 1-2 atomic warheads by ICBMs with no other delivery capabilities.

4.Israel has a satellite system with multiple types of spy satellites which have reached the limit of possible resolution (defraction limit) generally thought to be about 10 centimeters and their satellite system is all weather. Together with their advanced UAV capabilities , this allows Israel to possess the most detailed photos and real-time imaging of all Iranian military installations .

5.The military technological difference between Israel and Iran is wide.
Israel has about 10% of the world-wide arms export market which based solely on merit and immensely competitive. IF anything, it is nothing short of a miracle and a tremendous tribute to Israel (jewish ) expertise that they sell to so many countries which never take the side of Israel in any dispute. There are those ,who imply much of Israel's technological edge is due to massive American aid. However, that aid also has restrained the development of Israeli military technology. American military contractors regularly and understandably, attempt to undermine Israeli sale of military technology when it is in direct competition with American contractor's efforts to sell abroad.
Israel might have double the foreign military technologic sales if the US had never blanketly prohibited Israel selling directly to PRC. This is understandable.

Iran sells nothing in world wide arms market. Their highly publicized Shahib 3 missle is nothing but a supped up version of the the 63 year old V2 Nazi ballistic missle. Israel supplies Israeli-developed military technology to most of the world's top militaries including the USA, India, and China. China’s J10 fighter is thought to be modeled on Israel's Lavi.,the Israeli developed Jet fight.

In terms of MBTs, Israel possesses 1500 consisting entirely of the modern highly regarded Merkava. Iran has approx. 500 all obsolete models including the T 72. In front-line aircraft Israel has approximately 800 with more than 500 being upgraded F15s and F16s. Israel also possesses in air refueling capabilities. Iran has about 250 front-line combat aircraft consisting mostly of obsolete older US and Russian fighters. It has no known in air refueling capability.
Israel also is way ahead in production and use of UAVs and sells various models to many countries including Great Britain. There are other areas of military technology Israel is far more advanced than Iran.

The yield of Israel’s arsenal is much ,much greater than anything Iran could develop in the near future. Israel could also expand it’s arsenal at the same rate or even at a greater rate than Iran. Israel is a world leader in high technology. It has the most companies on NASDAQ , the listing of the top high tech companies in the world , except for the US. It is also a world leader in the computer field. Those who believe Israel’s high tech sector is just due to the yearly military aid from the US couldn’t be more wrong. Although Iran is much larger than Israel the majority of Iran’s industry is concentrated in Tehran. Tehran is located in a bowl. It is almost perfected situated to suffer maximum damage from a nuclear strike. Israel also has a second strike capability with their 5 Dolphin submarines. This would not only be a second strike which Iran would have immense difficulty defending against. It also guarantees , if other neighboring countries attempt to attack Israel, they would also suffer nuclear strikes.

Yea I could have given you several reasons why American rescue attempt of its best of spies in Tehran would succeed but as you know it failed

Israel has the military capabilities to reach Iran: missiles (SSM and cruise missiles), Air Force, and airborne military units.

Israel defeated again and again all its enemies, and there is no Middle East country which can challenge its superiority. The proof for that is that no one of the degenerate regimes around Israel even tries to launch a military attack, like in 1948 and 1973.

Hizbuallah and Hamas are just terror organisations and are no real threat to Israel which can easily defeat them. They know that, and they sit quiet in order not to risk Israeli retaliation. Hizbuallah sit idle since it has been defeated in 2006 and Hamas makes efforts to avoid direct confrontation with Israel.

Iran is a paper tiger with inadequate conventional capabilities and are no much to Israel's sophisticated military technologies.

mate without american charity Israel would not survive. as we no Americans have 18% real inflation 1 in 6 on food stamps unsustainable debt not if but when Americans go bust Israel will be know more

as china gets more wealthy and more powerful with our own industries and brands, we will catch up technologically and militarily to the US.
then we can transfer some of that tech to put a balance in technology and military power in the middle east.
right now its too much in favour of israel to due western superiority in technology which translates into military superiority.

iran's missile development was greatly helped by china, china has transferred other military tech too which has given iran an ability to strike back and cause significant damage to its opponents which increases the cost of going to war for its opponents.

china's rise will cause huge changes to the balance of power in the world.

China already foiled American efforts at regime change in Syria

I hope they don't do anything and resolve the issue peacefully. This is for Iran too.

I do too but it is regime change that Americans want so can interfere in Iran like they used to prior to 1979

 

[USAHawk785]

Guys! Shall we stop trading verses from holy books?

Allah Almighty judges every nation. The wrongdoers get punished and jews are no exception. However, Allah Almighty is most merciful too and he can give chance to every individual - believer or not.

What I liked about member USAHawk785 is that he has studied several holy books and he praises God. May Allah give this man the opportunity to choose the correct path in life. Ameen.

Amen, brother. God Most Merciful, Most Benevolent, Most Astute is able to judge every man according to whatever is in each man's heart. God is Love, a man who does not know love does not know God.

Peace be with you! Salam Alaikum! Shalom Alecheim!

 

[Hossein2]

Israel has the military capabilities to reach Iran: missiles (SSM and cruise missiles), Air Force, and airborne military units.

Israel defeated again and again all its enemies, and there is no Middle East country which can challenge its superiority. The proof for that is that no one of the degenerate regimes around Israel even tries to launch a military attack, like in 1948 and 1973.

Hizbuallah and Hamas are just terror organisations and are no real threat to Israel which can easily defeat them. They know that, and they sit quiet in order not to risk Israeli retaliation. Hizbuallah sit idle since it has been defeated in 2006 and Hamas makes efforts to avoid direct confrontation with Israel.

Iran is a paper tiger with inadequate conventional capabilities and are no much to Israel's sophisticated military technologies.

Don't talk about Airborne units!Our special airborne units are one of the 3 best commando units in the world.

 

[twilight]

The US and Israel are not Iraq... Iran is no much for Israel's military superiority.

for sure Iran isn't anything for Zionist regime in your fantasy world ...
and why your leaders moan like bitches when they hear "Iran" name !?

 

[Hossein2]

Well said, Israel is an undefeated military power. Israel's victories in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Retribution Operations, Six Day War, War of Attrition, Yom Kippur War, 1978 South Lebanon Conflict, and the recent 2006 Lebanon War , is nothing short of military supremacy.

The Israeli Military is one of the most hardened, professional, all-out ready, military force in the world. Bar none.

Israel cannot lose a war. She will never lose a war. She is God's chosen people. All those who curse on Israel, God will curse them. All those who dare attack Israel, God will send retribution 1000x fold.

And Yes, America stands with Israel. That's unchangeable.

Well I see what the God-chosen people do on the earth!!!

 

[twilight]

Look at history, man, all nations that persecuted Israel is doomed to failure. Pharaohic Egypt, doomed to failure. The Roman Empire, the very political state that initiated a brutal war against the Jewish state and tried to erase Judea from history, in the end, collapsed. Nazi Germany, despite killing some 6 million innocent Jews, in the end, collapsed. The Soviet Union, which was guilty of initiating Pogroms on Jews, collapsed.

Israel exists today because it existed in the same location over 2 millenia ago. Israel cannot be defeated by any military power.

American Foreign Policy is unchangeably intertwined with Israel.

and why all of Zionist population in all around of world is under 10 millions !?

as I though , American has no sense about history ...
After all they are only bunch of savages who wiped out some red skin in recent century and become super power because of WW1 and WW2 ..... only because they was far far away from conflicts ....

 

[USAHawk785]

Well I see what the God-chosen people do on the earth!!!

Israel was attacked by a host of Arab countries even since its creation, yet she has defeated every single one of her enemies. The dream of exterminating Israel was obliterated, Thanks be to God.

It puts to mind a verse from King David's Book of Psalms into perspective:


6 Arise, LORD, in your anger;
rise up against the rage of my enemies.
Awake, my God; decree justice.
7 Let the assembled peoples gather around you,
while you sit enthroned over them on high.
8 Let the LORD judge the peoples.
Vindicate me, LORD, according to my righteousness,
according to my integrity, O Most High.
9 Bring to an end the violence of the wicked
and make the righteous secure—
you, the righteous God
who probes minds and hearts.

10 My shield is God Most High,
who saves the upright in heart.
11 God is a righteous judge,
a God who displays his wrath every day.
12 If he does not relent,
he will sharpen his sword;
he will bend and string his bow.
13 He has prepared his deadly weapons;
he makes ready his flaming arrows.

14 Whoever is pregnant with evil
conceives trouble and gives birth to disillusionment.
15 Whoever digs a hole and scoops it out
falls into the pit they have made.
16 The trouble they cause recoils on them;
their violence comes down on their own heads.

17 I will give thanks to the LORD because of his righteousness;
I will sing the praises of the name of the LORD Most High.

-PSALM 7

and why all of Zionist population in all around of world is under 10 millions !?

as I though , American has no sense about history ...
After all they are only bunch of savages who wiped out some red skin in recent century and become super power because of WW1 and WW2 ..... only because they was far far away from conflicts ....

Your post is intelligible and nothing but mere disillusioned ramblings. Please read history before your talk to me. Thanks.

 

[twilight]

Even Muhammad (PBUH) relegated this in the Q'uran:


Indeed God had taken the covenant from the Children of Israel, and We appointed twelve leaders among them. And God said: "I am with you if you establish the prayer and offer the Zakat (compulsory charity) and believe in My Messengers; honor and assist them, and lend to God a good loan. Verily, I will remit your sins and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise)."
(Quran 5:12)


O children of Israel, remember my favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you above all creation.
(Qur'an 2:47).

وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ يَدُ اللَّهِ مَغْلُولَةٌ ۚ غُلَّتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَلُعِنُوا بِمَا قَالُوا ۘ بَلْ يَدَاهُ مَبْسُوطَتَانِ يُنفِقُ كَيْفَ يَشَاءُ ۚ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم مَّا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ طُغْيَانًا وَكُفْرًا ۚ وَأَلْقَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاءَ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ ۚ كُلَّمَا أَوْقَدُوا نَارًا لِّلْحَرْبِ أَطْفَأَهَا اللَّهُ ۚ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا ۚ وَاللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُفْسِدِينَ [٥:٦٤]
The Jews have said, 'God's hand is fettered.' Fettered are their hands, and they are cursed for what they have said. Nay, but His hands are outspread; He expends how He will. And what has been sent down to thee from thy Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief; and We have cast between them enmity and hatred, till the Day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, God will extinguish it. They hasten about the earth, to do corruption there; and God loves not the workers of corruption. [5:64]

لَقَدْ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ وَأَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمْ رُسُلًا ۖ كُلَّمَا جَاءَهُمْ رَسُولٌ بِمَا لَا تَهْوَىٰ أَنفُسُهُمْ فَرِيقًا كَذَّبُوا وَفَرِيقًا يَقْتُلُونَ [٥:٧٠]
And We took compact with the Children of Israel, and We sent Messengers to them. Whensoever there came to them a Messenger with that their souls had not desire for, some they cried lies to, and some they slew. [5:70]




وَحَسِبُوا أَلَّا تَكُونَ فِتْنَةٌ فَعَمُوا وَصَمُّوا ثُمَّ تَابَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ ثُمَّ عَمُوا وَصَمُّوا كَثِيرٌ مِّنْهُمْ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بَصِيرٌ بِمَا يَعْمَلُونَ [٥:٧١]
And they supposed there should be no trial; but blind they were, and deaf. Then God turned towards them; then again blind they were, many of them, and deaf; and God sees the things they do. [5:71]


لُعِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِن بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ عَلَىٰ لِسَانِ دَاوُودَ وَعِيسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِمَا عَصَوا وَّكَانُوا يَعْتَدُونَ [٥:٧٨]
Cursed were the unbelievers of the Children of Israel by the tongue of David, and Jesus, Mary's son; that, for their rebelling and their transgression. [5:78]



كَانُوا لَا يَتَنَاهَوْنَ عَن مُّنكَرٍ فَعَلُوهُ ۚ لَبِئْسَ مَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ [٥:٧٩]
They forbade not one another any dishonour that they committed; surely evil were the things they did. [5:79]



تَرَىٰ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُمْ يَتَوَلَّوْنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا ۚ لَبِئْسَ مَا قَدَّمَتْ لَهُمْ أَنفُسُهُمْ أَن سَخِطَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ وَفِي الْعَذَابِ هُمْ خَالِدُونَ [٥:٨٠]
Thou seest many of them making unbelievers their friends. Evil is that they have forwarded to their account, that God is angered against them, and in the chastisement they shall dwell forever. [5:80]



وَلَوْ كَانُوا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالنَّبِيِّ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْهِ مَا اتَّخَذُوهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءَ وَلَٰكِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُمْ فَاسِقُونَ [٥:٨١]
Yet had they believed in God and the Prophet and what has been sent down to him, they would not have taken them as friends; but many of them are ungodly. [5:81]

Your post is intelligible and nothing but mere disillusioned ramblings. Please read history before your talk to me. Thanks.

and why all of Zionist population is less than 10 millions !?

you American hasn't any noteworthy view about history ...
After all you are some invaders that invade red skins land and killed most of them in your short history ....
and don't become cocky because your powers , USA only become super power because he was far far away from world's conflicts in past 2 centuries , in that era some capitalists and scientist went to USA because they want to stay away from conflicts and they gift you the power ....
if it wasn't because those endless conflicts , most of those capitalist and scientists could stay their country ....

 

[USAHawk785]

Utter nonsense. The United States saved the United Kingdom through our Lend / Lease Program, then helped in the invasion of Fortress Europe, leading to the capitulation of Nazi Germany.

In addition, the United States single handedly obliterated the Japanese Empire.

Please, read history before you talk to me.