US bravery award for Delhi rape victim

[Yaduveer]

Sorry for being on wrong side of debate!

What was so brave about her ? getting on a lonely bus at night or being gang raped in a moving bus ?

If this incident happened not in Delhi but in a small town or some interior village, then would Media burn mid night hour oil for that incident ?

In India, Every minute a women is being raped then who will give 'bravery' award to them ?

 

[livingdead]

Sorry for being on wrong side of debate!

What was so brave about her ? getting on a lonely bus at night or being gang raped in a moving bus ?

If this incident happened not in Delhi but in a small town or some interior village, then would Media burn mid night hour oil for that incident ?

In India, Every minute a women is being raped then who will give 'bravery' award to them ?

I feel the same. She was a victim of rape.. why call her brave?

 

[KRAIT]

Protesting and jumping the protest bandwagon without even thinking thoroughly about the issues is plain idiotic. 95% of those idiots who were "protesting" would simply stand mute, scared shyte and timid, if a crime was happening right in front of their eyes.

Actually many of them have been working before that case and still working. Don't generalize. Protest led to swift decisions in many cases. I can tell many which were addressed and solved fast after public pressure.

Sorry for being on wrong side of debate!
What was so brave about her ? getting on a lonely bus at night or being gang raped in a moving bus ?
If this incident happened not in Delhi but in a small town or some interior village, then would Media burn mid night hour oil for that incident ? In India, Every minute a women is being raped then who will give 'bravery' award to them ?

Actually there is a story related to her after she was admitted. But yeah, this sounds weird to me. Three guys who took them to the hospital while other just saw them at left them there should be honored at least by our state.

 

[Mritunjaya]

Sorry for being on wrong side of debate!

What was so brave about her ? getting on a lonely bus at night or being gang raped in a moving bus ?

If this incident happened not in Delhi but in a small town or some interior village, then would Media burn mid night hour oil for that incident ?

In India, Every minute a women is being raped then who will give 'bravery' award to them ?

Courage and bravery is not always about the extraordinary ....... in real life most ordinary things sometimes are acts of courage. For eg. if someone is bullying you in school and you stand up to him, or if your friend is getting bullied and you stand up for them, you see a starving man on the street and gather courage to actually help him. Most people either capitulate to bullies and don't fight them, most people are scared to go help the poor. Its not because they don't want to help, many are scared to help.

Its easy for victims of rape to get depressed and loose the will to live. Many contemplate suicide. Real courage comes from having a strong mind , a desire to live and fight. It appears the obvious thing to do but its not easy to do in real life.

This the reason we celebrate 'special' Olympics, or admire handicapped person who struggles to live a normal life. In real life we are all 'handicaped' in some way or the other. Recognizing bravery is also an celebration of life.

 

[livingdead]

@Mritunjaya.. she actually did not live to fight the battle, so its not right to call her brave.
Another girl was raped in west bengal 1 month before this happened, she lived to tell the tale, the CM(mamta) basically called her lier. She still has not changed the stance and fighting for justice. That is brave.

 

[Mritunjaya]

@Mritunjaya.. she actually did not live to fight the battle, so its not right to call her brave.
Another girl was raped in west bengal 1 month before this happened, she lived to tell the tale, the CM(mamta) basically called her lier. She still has not changed the stance and fighting for justice. That is brave.

Its subjective .......the lady is dead so its inappropriate to discuss her courage further.

 

[Yaduveer]

I feel the same. She was a victim of rape.. why call her brave?

Remember some 20-40 Lakhs have been issued to the victim's family by central and state governments each , but did Governments raped her ? if Yes then issue the same amount to every girl being raped in India , where goes principles of equality?

Near to me This is just Topi drama of Politicians to getting the focus away from Major overhaul of Indian Criminal Justice System. Case Pendancy is in Carores and Police acts as if they are the Boss and Aam adami are Ghulams.

 

[livingdead]

Its subjective .......the lady is dead so its inappropriate to discuss her courage further.

I am using the example you have used above.

 

[Mritunjaya]

I am using the example you have used above.

My point in my earlier comment was not to discuss the victim but the US act. I am not sure about your point though.....?

 

[Yaduveer]

@Mritunjaya.. she actually did not live to fight the battle, so its not right to call her brave.
Another girl was raped in west bengal 1 month before this happened, she lived to tell the tale, the CM(mamta) basically called her lier. She still has not changed the stance and fighting for justice. That is brave.

I'm sure if she happened to be a doctor/engineer etc and raped in Delhi ..she may also get bravery award and money too by our beloved governments !

Do any one remember case called Baby Falak,Arushi double murder,Nithari ? Nobody remembers and none cares!

'Media' has used and exploited these cases to their utmost value while keeping whole nation as hostage to these cases for months and throw them in dustbin when they get reduced TRP!

So what Common man got from these cases ? Are Human trafficking or honour killing,poverty reduced if not eliminated ? I think NO

 

[JanjaWeed]

why should I be 'bitter' if US acts on their self interest.........you see bitterness when one laughs? ....... aren't you sounding a bit extra eager and desperate to approve of US tactics ? ....are you seeking 'approval' from the great white man too?

Its disgusting to see US to use the rape and death of a young Indian girl to project itself as a nation that cares about others. That poor girl is dead and gone and there is nothing left to 'honor' as you so put. That dead girls get nothing ........the dead girls family gets nothing ..........its only the US who gets 'FREE PUBLICITY' and an opportunity to use the death of that poor girl to their benefit.

You pathetic attempt to deflect this horrible shameful act by dragging in Bhenji and Mulayam is no less shameful. You are in no position to comment on how safe other Indians are when you are so eager to brown nose Americans and use dead Indian girls to further American ambition.

Easy tigress. If you weren't bitter you wouldn't be coming out with kinda c$%p you just posted above. Again I'm asking.. why you so bitter? Do you feel left out by US? Are you someone who got raped & left with no sympathy?

I suggest you hold your horses & spend bit more time understanding the members here on the forum before accusing someone of being eager to brown nose Americans.

 

[gubbi]

I am pretty thick skinned to barbs of US Lackey.
Get It, wanna be American ?

ROFL at your immaturity. Burnt finger syndrome, eh?

I am a free thinking Indian who puts his nation above USA.

Bull Shyte! Think hard. Again. You see, I respect your right to express your opinions, but please atleast THINK, hard, before you express them.
Nowhere in your posts have I noticed you lending even a token of support to rape victims. Or for that matter any other victims. All this talk about putting "YOUR nation" above anything else is pure malarkey.
All I hear is a baseless rant against US. Period. But hey, given your level of thinking, I dont suppose one can expect you to understand the bigger picture here. I wouldnt be surprised if you railed and ranted against anyone who would have given that woman an award.
Do you even realize what acknowledging the bravery of a rape victim means?

If USA is super eager to give 'HOPE to thousands of other victims' as you are found of saying, let them start grating visas to Rape victims the same way they give rafugee status to victims of political Struggles. Surely Rape victims courage is just as good as courage as political victims, after all US is keen to give hope to thousands of Rape victims all over the world.
US can also start providing scholarships to Rape victims to give them 'hope'.

Again, think hard, really hard before you rant illogically against any point. Yours is nothing but a kneejerk reaction arising from what seems to be an unsubstantiated hatred against anything US. But hey, whatever sails your boat.

Read again what you posted and try to make sense of what you posted. Btw, if you have ever applied for a US visa (which I assume you seem to have some history with it) you would know about applications for victims of crimes and terrorism. Its not only for political refugees, FYI.

There is a whole list of things to do than write 'Award' on toilet paper and dish it out for publicity.

Ha! Insert the quintessential TOILET joke. Yup. Stay classy dude.

I am not your son ...I know who my parents are ....if you are keen to have a family get married 'son', dont go around adopting strangers.

Seriously, you really make me laugh. I swear there are tears in my eyes from laughing so hard! English is NOT your forte, I see. Go check up what "figure of speech" means. Also, I wouldnt want so dumb a son as you.

That girl was a brave victim who is dead and gone ...she does not need my certificate of 'courage', neither does she need a US certificate.

You are absolutely no one to give anyone a certificate. You have no moral authority nor moral rights to issue anyone any kind of certificate. Given your lack of understanding of issues, and pain and trauma of victims, poor be the person who would have the misfortune of being a 'recipient' of any of your "certificates".

As for that 95% 'idiots' who were protesting, they were doing it in their own country against happenings in their own country. They too don't need your condescending comments or certificates of courage from your kinds. Take a hike.

Again, you really seem to have issues. Most of these so called protesters are simply opportunistic parasites. They have no stand of their own, no beliefs of their own. Its plain and simple MOB mentality. Period. Case in point, the 'protests against corruption' with Anna Hazare. Whatever happened to that? Where are all those protesters and where is the pledge NOT to succumb to pay bribes? I dont see any protests against the recent rape and murder of small kids, other women. Where are all the voices?
If I sound condescending, then sorry, I mean exactly what I wrote.

 

[gubbi]

Actually many of them have been working before that case and still working. Don't generalize. Protest led to swift decisions in many cases. I can tell many which were addressed and solved fast after public pressure.

You mean to say that many of those people participating in the protests were actually working on the case? Seriously, and you want us to believe that? Those protests led to the death of a policeman, damage of public property etc. The people directed their ire against govt machinery. Why? Why is the govt to blame?

On one hand people ostracize rape victims, humiliate them, shame them, accuse them of being 'forward' and what not and on the other hand go about damaging public property and maybe even kill, while protesting? Does that make sense? Instead of all these dishonest and pretentious protestations, wouldnt it be prudent and helpful if people actually encouraged and supported the rape victims in their fight for justice? Wouldnt it be helpful if people stopped looking at a victim as if it was the victim's fault in the first place.

This little award for the bravery of this woman would go a long way in encouraging other rape victims to come out of their shell and stand up and fight for justice. That is the point of awarding this bravery award.

 

[Dubious]

that was unnecessary criticism for a good gesture and recognition for the courage of that girl and her family and all the people who supported the campaign.

@Agnostic_Indian R.I.P. for the rape victim BUT ALL the criticism is for USA and its award!! The award is a mockery for you lot! Making the award a joke...

 

[KRAIT]

You mean to say that many of those people participating in the protests were actually working on the case? Seriously, and you want us to believe that? Those protests led to the death of a policeman, damage of public property etc. The people directed their ire against govt machinery. Why? Why is the govt to blame?
On one hand people ostracize rape victims, humiliate them, shame them, accuse them of being 'forward' and what not and on the other hand go about damaging public property and maybe even kill, while protesting? Does that make sense? Instead of all these dishonest and pretentious protestations, wouldnt it be prudent and helpful if people actually encouraged and supported the rape victims in their fight for justice? Wouldnt it be helpful if people stopped looking at a victim as if it was the victim's fault in the first place.
This little award for the bravery of this woman would go a long way in encouraging other rape victims to come out of their shell and stand up and fight for justice. That is the point of awarding this bravery award.

Thing is people don't follow news from all sources, do research and make assumptions with little information they get.

Do you know NSUI, the Congress Youth wing get into the protesters and start attacking Policemen and caused violence, so that Police can lathi charge, arrest people, hose them to suppress the protest against Central and State govt. of Congress. But social media did a great job.

A girl was arrested and while she was taken, she tweeted about her arrest and by the time they reached Police station , hundreds of people also reached their with few layers to defend them. Study of social media analyst.

As for Protesters, I have been involved with an NGO which has been working before Delhi rape incident, the rapes which has been going on for many months before. Yeah, my friend who started the protest, the real work they did was issuing new ways to pressurize administration to do the real work.

I have explained that in detail. So buddy, what you see on TV is not what it seems. Did you see any media focusing on the 3 guys that helped those poor victims, the girl and the boy. Why media didn't talk about it ? Because it wasn't that juicy story.

So if you REALLY want to know what are the ugly realities of many events that happen in India. One of the example is Godhara riots. Do you know why Modi never apologized ? Do you know why Naxalite movement started and still running ? I am mentioning this because people don't get entire information to make an informed decision. Its biased information based decision.

I can go on and on about many of these problems which general people don't know. For that you have to talk to people who have been there, part of these process and do hell lot of research.

And you know what was the biggest problem serious NGOs face, that people suddenly come out for a girl raped in Delhi but when 3 girls of age between 6 to 12 are brutally raped, killed and their bodies dumped into well in Maharashtra, doesn't come to streets in entire country, only the people of that area because for a week nothing happened in finding the culprits.

Even for that people are working which our entire nation ignores.

What real NGOs do, is not even shown on media too much. And who brought the real change never discussed.