US allowed ISIS to take Ramadi

[IR-TR]

U.S. Saw Islamic State Coming, Let It Take Ramadi - Bloomberg View



The U.S. watched Islamic State fighters, vehicles and heavy equipment gather on the outskirts of Ramadi before the group retook the city in mid-May. But the U.S. did not order airstrikes against the convoys before the battle started. It left the fighting to Iraqi troops, who ultimately abandoned their positions.

U.S. intelligence and military officials told me recently, on the condition of anonymity, that the U.S. had significant intelligence about the pending Islamic State offensive in Ramadi. For the U.S. military, it was an open secret even at the time.

The Islamic State had been contesting territory in and around Ramadi for more than a year and had spoken of the importance of recapturing the city. The U.S. intelligence community had good warning that the Islamic State intended a new and bolder offensive on Ramadi because it was able to identify the convoys of heavy artillery, vehicle bombs and reinforcements through overhead imagery and eavesdropping on chatter from local Islamic State commanders. It surprised no one, one U.S. intelligence official told me.

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And that's BLOOMBERG, not some pro-Iran rag.

My god, Mohammed is crying thinking about how 90% of the Arab world has become slaves of America. Do you think HE would agree with this? Doing their bidding? How lovely this 'ummah'. Yes, ummah as the 51st state.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Go troll somewhere else.

Iraqis themselves have stated they WERE NOT out manned or outgunned but logistics and fear that their comrades behind them or their flanks would go AWOL caused mass hysteria.

 

[IR-TR]

Go troll somewhere else.

Iraqis themselves have stated they WERE NOT out manned or outgunned but logistics and fear that their comrades behind them or their flanks would go AWOL caused mass hysteria.

You're the troll. The US is SUPPOSED to want to defeat Daesh. And yet not a single bomb was dropped on them. When Kurdish areas are at risk, they go broken arrow on them. So who's the troll.

 

[Steve781]

You're the troll. The US is SUPPOSED to want to defeat Daesh. And yet not a single bomb was dropped on them. When Kurdish areas are at risk, they go broken arrow on them. So who's the troll.

The responsibility for fighting the Islamic State lies with the Iraqi army. It is nobody else's fault but their own that they are incompetent.

 

[SipahSalar]

U.S. Saw Islamic State Coming, Let It Take Ramadi - Bloomberg View

Makes sense, keep the muslims busy killing each other.

 

[-SINAN-]

Go troll somewhere else.

Iraqis themselves have stated they WERE NOT out manned or outgunned but logistics and fear that their comrades behind them or their flanks would go AWOL caused mass hysteria.

Though, same thing also happened in Palmyra.

 

[IR-TR]

The responsibility for fighting the Islamic State lies with the Iraqi army. It is nobody else's fault but their own that they are incompetent.

Yeah? And the KURDS? Why are they being helped? WTF are you talking about. Without AIR SUPPORT, Erbil would have been taken in juni 2014. I hate these poster who were born yesterday. How did the Kurds manage when Erdogan closed the border and said F U, and the US had to perform one of the biggest bombing runs continually since Vietnam?

Though, same thing also happened in Palmyra.

Sinan this is no joke. I know Erdogan believes ridding Assad is in Turkey's interest too, and many Sunnis would want Assad gone, but don't you realize this is WAY above that?? This is merely a proxy war between the US and Iran. Nobody else is even invited, aside from the dumb 'donor countries', who only have to arm, fund and keep the borders open. What do you think will hapen tomorrow if Erdogan backed groups and the US backed groups will go at each other? Don't think the US wants Turkey's influence expanded either. That's the point, NO side can become too powerful.

 

[Falcon29]

US is not going to assist Iran as we know Iraqi victory will mean Iran will use Iraqi people/borders/resources to assist Assad in Syria and attack Saudi Arabia from Iraq in near future. It is not going to advance your agenda, it is not going to advance anyone's agenda in the region as the visions of nations/entities in the region are far from what US would like to see. There's no point that US will waste money/lives/resources for incompetent people who are childishly sectarian once they're able to overcome ISIS. Just because they aren't advancing your agenda doesn't mean they allowed so and so. It's not their country, it's responsibility of Iraqi gov't to take proper steps. But with sectarian rhetoric coming out of Iraqi gov't then simply US will not pay big price to embolden sectarian people.

 

[IR-TR]

US is not going to assist Iran as we know Iraqi victory will mean Iran will use Iraqi people/borders/resources to assist Assad in Syria and attack Saudi Arabia from Iraq in near future. It is not going to advance your agenda, it is not going to advance anyone's agenda in the region as the visions of nations/entities in the region are far from what US would like to see. There's no point that US will waste money/lives/resources for incompetent people who are childishly sectarian once they're able to overcome ISIS. Just because they aren't advancing your agenda doesn't mean they allowed so and so. It's not their country, it's responsibility of Iraqi gov't to take proper steps. But with sectarian rhetoric coming out of Iraqi gov't then simply US will not pay big price to embolden sectarian people.

Ah, so you've all boiled it down huh? Defeating ISIS means supporting Iran/allowing IRan to expand influence. If there is even 1 person on this forum with an IQ over 85, they should understand by now what ISIS is. Hey, let's not kill the head-cutters and human-burners, because IRan might become powerful. GUESS WHAT D!CKHEADS, it has a population of 80 million and is full of OIL AND GAS. So wtf, it's always going to be powerful, even today, with all those sanctions. The question is, how can you get them to act normal and be constructive in the region.

Iran will Iraq to invade Saudi Arabia? Are you completely delusional? And thanks by the way, POS group that gets all it's money from Iran. Guess what, first concession in the nuclear deal is cutting of Hamas.

 

[Falcon29]

Ah, so you've all boiled it down huh? Defeating ISIS means supporting Iran/allowing IRan to expand influence. If there is even 1 person on this forum with an IQ over 85, they should understand by now what ISIS is. Hey, let's not kill the head-cutters and human-burners, because IRan might become powerful. GUESS WHAT D!CKHEADS, it has a population of 80 million and is full of OIL AND GAS. So wtf, it's always going to be powerful, even today, with all those sanctions. The question is, how can you get them to act normal and be constructive in the region.

Iran will Iraq to invade Saudi Arabia? Are you completely delusional? And thanks by the way, POS group that gets all it's money from Iran. Guess what, first concession in the nuclear deal is cutting of Hamas.

Hamas gets no money from Iran and doesn't need it. Grow up, if there is nuclear deal then West-Iran will re approach. Will it happen? I don't know, that's Iranians people business. Yes, everything in Iraq is related to regional politics. Prior to ISIS takeover of Mosul, Iraq was sending militias to prop up Syrian regime. Militias trained by Iran. US isn't to blame for situation in region, just because it's abstaining from going in all in to serve one of the two sides in war doesn't make it responsible for ISIS offensives in Iraq. US will not gain anything out of assisting one side. It either assists in Iran in Syria/Iraq and upsets Sunni's but also emboldens Iran and Iran will attempt to takeover Bahrain/KSA afterwards as it has declared multiple times or it assists Sunni's and Iran will be weakened and Islamists will be strengthed on a large scale in region. So it will not go those routes as both will bring regional crisis times many scales.

 

[-SINAN-]

Sinan this is no joke. I know Erdogan believes ridding Assad is in Turkey's interest too, and many Sunnis would want Assad gone, but don't you realize this is WAY above that?? This is merely a proxy war between the US and Iran. Nobody else is even invited, aside from the dumb 'donor countries', who only have to arm, fund and keep the borders open. What do you think will hapen tomorrow if Erdogan backed groups and the US backed groups will go at each other? Don't think the US wants Turkey's influence expanded either. That's the point, NO side can become too powerful.

I disagree with your post.

The thing is ISIS capture Ramadi and Palmyra with just watching them...We saw how US reacted when ISIS tried to take Kobane...Though this situation can't be deduced into "US supports ISIS"...it is weird.

 

[C130]

not our fight. you all wanted us gone we are gone.

let the chips fall where they may

if the iraq army and government is this inept maybe it's god's will.

 

[pakdefender]

US also created space for Iran to move into Iraq , which Iran did , even now its encouraging Iranian militias to get more involved

Sectarian minded people from both sides are too stupid to see what's going on

Makes sense, keep the muslims busy killing each other.

Maybe on PDF mods should create a pinned thread titled "Let them kill each other" , perhaps that can get the message across

 

[IR-TR]

Hamas gets no money from Iran and doesn't need it. Grow up, if there is nuclear deal then West-Iran will re approach. Will it happen? I don't know, that's Iranians people business. Yes, everything in Iraq is related to regional politics. Prior to ISIS takeover of Mosul, Iraq was sending militias to prop up Syrian regime. Militias trained by Iran. US isn't to blame for situation in region, just because it's abstaining from going in all in to serve one of the two sides in war doesn't make it responsible for ISIS offensives in Iraq. US will not gain anything out of assisting one side. It either assists in Iran in Syria/Iraq and upsets Sunni's but also emboldens Iran and Iran will attempt to takeover Bahrain/KSA afterwards as it has declared multiple times or it assists Sunni's and Iran will be weakened and Islamists will be strengthed on a large scale in region. So it will not go those routes as both will bring regional crisis times many scales.

So you REALLY think Iran will attack KSA? Or do you 'mean' it like Isr is 'afraid' of Iran, with it's 400 nukes and subs? I'm genuinely interested.

I disagree with your post.

The thing is ISIS capture Ramadi and Palmyra with just watching them...We saw how US reacted when ISIS tried to take Kobane...Though this situation can't be deduced into "US supports ISIS"...it is weird.

The US isn't literally 'supporting' ISIS, it is ALLOWING it to take SUNNI terrotories. And then crying when Shia militias and the Iraqi army take it back (even though the Sunni LOCALS want it and pray and beg for it). You forgot Erbil, along with Kobani. ISIS would have taken Erbil in DAYS if not for massive airstrikes. So at least we agree the US is only helping the Kurds? Why would you say?

not our fight. you all wanted us gone we are gone.

let the chips fall where they may

if the iraq army and government is this inept maybe it's god's will.

This is why the world hates America and AmericaNS. Get into Iraq, fu-k it all up for 10 years, and then get your fat mcdonalds belly out and say 'not our business'. I hope the day comes soon that the dollar collapses, and the rest of the world will be released from your so called superpower status. Paper tiger with no real economy and only guns. Good. Won't be too long. Not 2 decades out.

US also created space for Iran to move into Iraq , which Iran did , even now its encouraging Iranian militias to get more involved

Sectarian minded people from both sides are too stupid to see what's going on



Maybe on PDF mods should create a pinned thread titled "Let them kill each other" , perhaps that can get the message across

The US is actively working AGAINST Iranian support/militia support. With proper US airstrikes, those militias would kick ISIS out of Iraq in a month. Hell, even chase it into Raqqah. But the US doesn't want that. Because muslim countries are donkeys and need to be ridden by the US. Like that pony into heaven.

 

[C130]

This is why the world hates America and AmericaNS. Get into Iraq, fu-k it all up for 10 years, and then get your fat mcdonalds belly out and say 'not our business'. I hope the day comes soon that the dollar collapses, and the rest of the world will be released from your so called superpower status. Paper tiger with no real economy and only guns. Good. Won't be too long. Not 2 decades out.

ok Nederlands aren't you just full of hate and stereotyping.

can't help terrorists moved in to fill the void with the downfall of Saddam. maybe some countries just aren't meant for democracy and need a tyrant to hold the pieces together