US Accuses China of 'Creating a Great Wall of Sand' in South China Sea

[damiendehorn]

US can landing her Jets in Taiwan recently, so US can landing fighter Jets in Itu Aba Island in SCS, which Taiwan robbed from Vietnam in 1956.

When US attack China on SCS, we can let US use Cam Ranh bay or Pynoy permit US use Subic base in Philippine. if US want.



In long term, China is dangerous country with 1,3 bill people for peace of Asia and for peace of the world. The punishment on aggressive military adventure of China is the question of time.

First of all the US is never going to attack China anytime soon, they didn't for the phillipines who they have a defence treaty with and they are not going to lift a finger to help vietnam either. The US economy is far too intertwined/reliant on China, and if your waiting for any other country to come to your aid, you'll be waiting a long time bro.

 

[soundwave1987]

verbal condems is OK, bro. Taken Island and reefs with force by China is illegal.

China is loser when she dare not go to Arbitration with Philippine.

I can understand your anger but sadly it means nothing. Talking about “US/Japan/India will stop you” or “it's illegal” won't change anything. Right now all of them are trying to stop us but achieve nothing yet. What really matters is reality. In reality，one by one we are expanding the artificial islands and reclaiming our lost islands（from your point of view they are taken from you by force）. When China seizes a tighten control of SCS，others' retaliations are of course predicted. The only matter is how we handle these retaliations in such a long game. Nothing/no one stops us yet，so the reality remains intact. Do not preach me with“it's only a matter of time” or “eventually” kind of crap，like I said，only reality matters. You can do whatever you want，but come and brag when you actually stopped us.

 

[terranMarine]

The reason China does all this is only because it knows that Washington would DEFINITELY build their own military bases if China didn't ! So they are thinking ahead and preventing further "encirclement".. I very much doubt that China would ever become a Western-style imperialist state.

That's what the Vietcongs want you guys to believe as you know by now the disputes we have in SCS. History already documented we have ruled VN for 1000 years, that's why they like to paint us like western colonists. In fact in ancient times Imperial China always had good relations with our bordering neighbors as they paid tribute to our emperors and in return they received valuable gifts too. I think most of us here failed to see how we are entitled to the description Imperialist. Even during the Ming Dynasty we had the strongest Navy and still we didn't occupy South East Asia or parts of Africa. I think that says a lot. Right now it's the US who has military bases globally and the idea of a defense shield against Iran or North Korea is to protect allies/friends while not targeting Russia and China may work on a 3 years old child. The containment strategy against these 2 super powers will end up in failure.

 

[Jlaw]

Exactly! We aren't the ones who kills natives for land reclamation and we aren't the first to drop an atom bomb. Last but not the least we aren't the ones who used chemicals on natives (Vietnam).

that is ouir problem.

 

[LacViet]

First of all the US is never going to attack China anytime soon, they didn't for the phillipines who they have a defence treaty with and they are not going to lift a finger to help vietnam either. The US economy is far too intertwined/reliant on China, and if your waiting for any other country to come to your aid, you'll be waiting a long time bro.

This your point,

USA will fight against China for USA interest. USA will not permit China block the SCS with such idiot reclamation on sea territory of Vietnam and Philippine. In fact China is funder for US activities in Middle East now. But US don't let China go too far in SCS.

I can understand your anger but sadly it means nothing. Talking about “US/Japan/India will stop you” or “it's illegal” won't change anything. Right now all of them are trying to stop us but achieve nothing yet. What really matters is reality. In reality，one by one we are expanding the artificial islands and reclaiming our lost islands（from your point of view they are taken from you by force）. When China seizes a tighten control of SCS，others' retaliations are of course predicted. The only matter is how we handle these retaliations in such a long game. Nothing/no one stops us yet，so the reality remains intact. Do not preach me with“it's only a matter of time” or “eventually” kind of crap，like I said，only reality matters. You can do whatever you want，but come and brag when you actually stopped us.

Your comment is just reflected mentality of Chinese Empire to day. You forgot that China is humiliated by Imperialist in the past. You copied today what Imperialists said and did in the past to China. The expansionism is dream of China today.

Yes, the game is just beginning. USA dont let any one could be master and take hegemony in Middle East, so he could do the same manner here in Asia.

That's what the Vietcongs want you guys to believe as you know by now the disputes we have in SCS. History already documented we have ruled VN for 1000 years, that's why they like to paint us like western colonists. In fact in ancient times Imperial China always had good relations with our bordering neighbors as they paid tribute to our emperors and in return they received valuable gifts too. I think most of us here failed to see how we are entitled to the description Imperialist. Even during the Ming Dynasty we had the strongest Navy and still we didn't occupy South East Asia or parts of Africa. I think that says a lot. Right now it's the US who has military bases globally and the idea of a defense shield against Iran or North Korea is to protect allies/friends while not targeting Russia and China may work on a 3 years old child. The containment strategy against these 2 super powers will end up in failure.

Don't telling about 1,000 year here. Don't you feel any a shameful about it ? How long Han chinese were ruled by Mongolian and Manchurian , Japanese and Uk ?

Viets kicked you back to china is from over 1,000 year ago.

 

[soundwave1987]

This your point,

USA will fight against China for USA interest. USA will not permit China block the SCS with such idiot reclamation on sea territory of Vietnam and Philippine. In fact China is funder for US activities in Middle East now. But US don't let China go too far in SCS.



Your comment is just reflected mentality of Chinese Empire to day. You forgot that China is humiliated by Imperialist in the past. You copied today what Imperialists said and did in the past. The expansionism is dream of China today.

Yes, the game is just beginning. USA dont let any one could be master and take hegemony in Middle East, so he could do the same manner here in Asia.

Yes，USA could，but it didn't yet. Like I said，only reality matters. US could do anything it wants，so what，we don't care，the only thing we care is how we can reach our goal and remain it intact. We are not like anyone in the middle east，we are much more powerful，and US must input much more or even everything to stop us but still faces a risk to fail. Although we are the main opponent to US，as a global empire，it can not risk everything on China only，so the US will calculate the gain and the loss，which makes situation in our favor. Yes there is still possibility that US stops China in SCS，but only possibility，nothing more. If we are stoped，then so be it，but it doesnt mean that we should stop trying.
You know what，I think the most misjudgement of you is that when facing China，you always count on others like the US or alliance or something，and history teached us that this kind of thought may hugely decrease the chance of winning in any case，or even lose it to the “helping hand” or so called “alliance”. Learn something from our pakistani brothers，they surely get helps from US and China，but they can always challenge the stronger India all by their own

This your point,

USA will fight against China for USA interest. USA will not permit China block the SCS with such idiot reclamation on sea territory of Vietnam and Philippine. In fact China is funder for US activities in Middle East now. But US don't let China go too far in SCS.



Your comment is just reflected mentality of Chinese Empire to day. You forgot that China is humiliated by Imperialist in the past. You copied today what Imperialists said and did in the past to China. The expansionism is dream of China today.

Yes, the game is just beginning. USA dont let any one could be master and take hegemony in Middle East, so he could do the same manner here in Asia.



Don't telling about 1,000 year here. Don't you feel any a shameful about it ? How long Han chinese were ruled by Mongolian and Manchurian , Japanese and Uk ?

Viets kicked you back to china is from over 1,000 year ago.

Sadly that most of mongolian and all the manchurian are one of us now，and they consider themselves as chinese now. the term of “China” never meant to be han chinese exclusively，even back in Yuan and Qing the rulers consider themselves as orthodox of China. For your information，I'm a Chinese but not a han chinese too.
As for japanese and British people，they never ruled all China let alone established a Chinese government，our legal central government still carried on in their invasion.

 

[damiendehorn]

This your point,

USA will fight against China for USA interest. USA will not permit China block the SCS with such idiot reclamation on sea territory of Vietnam and Philippine. In fact China is funder for US activities in Middle East now. But US don't let China go too far in SCS.

So you think the US is going to go to war against Nuclear China to protect the interest of vietnam? Dude how old are you? Nations only act in their self interest, and the US will not lift a finger to protect an inch of vietnam, trust me.

Against China in the SCS your on your own, even the other ASEAN nations won't do anything, yea sure they will protest and condemn but at the end of the day no other nation will risk their own interest to come to your aid. That is a fact.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Yes，USA could，but it didn't yet. Like I said，only reality matters. US could do anything it wants，so what，we don't care，the only thing we care is how we can reach our goal and remain it intact. We are not like anyone in the middle east，we are much more powerful，and US must input much more or even everything to stop us but still faces a risk to fail. Although we are the main opponent to US，as a global empire，it can not risk everything on China only，so the US will calculate the gain and the loss，which makes situation in our favor. Yes there is still possibility that US stops China in SCS，but only possibility，nothing more. If we are stoped，then so be it，but it doesnt mean that we should stop trying.
You know what，I think the most misjudgement of you is that when facing China，you always count on others like the US or alliance or something，and history teached us that this kind of thought may hugely decrease the chance of winning in any case，or even lose it to the “helping hand” or so called “alliance”. Learn something from our pakistani brothers，they surely get helps from US and China，but they can always challenge the stronger India all by their own


Sadly that most of mongolian and all the manchurian are one of us now，and they consider themselves as chinese now. the term of “China” never meant to be han chinese exclusively，even back in Yuan and Qing the rulers consider themselves as orthodox of China. For your information，I'm a Chinese but not a han chinese too.
As for japanese and British people，they never ruled all China let alone established a Chinese government，our legal central government still carried on in their invasion.

Absolutely. Han isn't synonymous with China. China was at its height during Yongle, Kangxi and Qianlong emperors, all Manchu-Mongol mix, yet when you read Qing documents, never did they think that they are colonizing any land. They were truly Chinese.

Btw, what is your ethnicity?

 

[AndrewJin]

Absolutely. Han isn't synonymous with China. China was at its height during Yongle, Kangxi and Qianlong emperors, all Manchu-Mongol mix, yet when you read Qing documents, never did they think that they are colonizing any land. They were truly Chinese.

Btw, what is your ethnicity?

I agree with Han being not synonymous with China. Han as an ethnic group and other nationalities are new terms. A lot of new nationalities were recognised after 1949.
But I don't agree Kangxi and Qianlong were the strongest periods. If you mean territory, yes. But in culture, civilisation and soft power(which you like to talk about most), they were not. I think Song Dynasty and Tang Dynasty were strongest, even China at that time had smaller territory.
btw, Yongle was in Ming Dynasty, not Manchu or Mongol. Manchurians have very strong identity for Chinese civilisation, but not Mongols. Manchurians used Mongol tribes to attain unification and peaceful northern border.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

I agree with Han being not synonymous with China. Han as an ethnic group and other nationalities are new terms. A lot of new nationalities were recognised after 1949.
But I don't agree Kangxi and Qianlong were the strongest periods. If you mean territory, yes. But in culture, civilisation and soft power(which you like to talk about most), they were not. I think Song Dynasty and Tang Dynasty were strongest, even China at that time had smaller territory.
btw, Yongle was in Ming Dynasty, not Manchu or Mongol. Manchurians have very strong identity for Chinese civilisation, but not Mongols. Manchurians used Mongol tribes to attain unification and peaceful northern border.

Yes in territory, for Culture it is usually Tang Dynasty that is considered.

To be frank, Han is not even a proper ethnicity. It was the citizenship created by the Han empire, by abolishing all previous distinctions. To be frank, China should do it today again, and make everyone simply to be Chinese.

No Han, No Manchu, No Mongol, No Tibetan. Only Chinese. Zhongguoren.

PS- The categorisation of Han is not clear anyways. China has been an incredible melting pot of many traditions and cultures all amalgating to create a whole new. Something like the United States of today.

 

[soundwave1987]

Absolutely. Han isn't synonymous with China. China was at its height during Yongle, Kangxi and Qianlong emperors, all Manchu-Mongol mix, yet when you read Qing documents, never did they think that they are colonizing any land. They were truly Chinese.

Btw, what is your ethnicity?

My grandfather was born in Hunan province，our ethnic group is called the Tujia people（土家族），but we had live in Jinan of Shandong province for 3 generations

 

[LacViet]

Yes，USA could，but it didn't yet. Like I said，only reality matters. US could do anything it wants，so what，we don't care，the only thing we care is how we can reach our goal and remain it intact. We are not like anyone in the middle east，we are much more powerful，and US must input much more or even everything to stop us but still faces a risk to fail. Although we are the main opponent to US，as a global empire，it can not risk everything on China only，so the US will calculate the gain and the loss，which makes situation in our favor. Yes there is still possibility that US stops China in SCS，but only possibility，nothing more. If we are stoped，then so be it，but it doesnt mean that we should stop trying.
You know what，I think the most misjudgement of you is that when facing China，you always count on others like the US or alliance or something，and history teached us that this kind of thought may hugely decrease the chance of winning in any case，or even lose it to the “helping hand” or so called “alliance”. Learn something from our pakistani brothers，they surely get helps from US and China，but they can always challenge the stronger India all by their own


Sadly that most of mongolian and all the manchurian are one of us now，and they consider themselves as chinese now. the term of “China” never meant to be han chinese exclusively，even back in Yuan and Qing the rulers consider themselves as orthodox of China. For your information，I'm a Chinese but not a han chinese too.
As for japanese and British people，they never ruled all China let alone established a Chinese government，our legal central government still carried on in their invasion.

What you said is the calculation of Chinese business man. China's dream is base on Illusion of Chinese Han people. That China is middle Kingdom of this world. This kingdom is rised and going to fell. It is the history.

I copy for you study in following:

President Obama's Asia strategy represents a significant shift in American foreign policy from a Middle Eastern/European focus to an East/South Asian one. Previously, the Clinton and Bush administrations deployed significant naval and air weapons systems to Guam and Japan, cooperated with Singapore by constructing an aircraft carrier facility at Changi Naval base, and strengthened U.S. bilateral defense cooperation with Japan and the Philippines. "

Additional focus was placed on the region with the Obama administration's 2012 "Pivot to East Asia" regional strategy, whose key areas of actions are: "strengthening bilateral security alliances; deepening our working relationships with emerging powers, including with China; engaging with regional multilateral institutions; expanding trade and investment; forging a broad-based military presence; and advancing democracy and human rights." A report by the Brookings Institute writes that reactions to the pivot strategy was mixed, with, "different Asian states responded to American rebalancing in different ways."

There has been strong perception from China that all of these are part of US' counter China policy. Proponents of this theory claim that the United States needs a weak, divided China to continue its hegemony in Asia. This is accomplished, the theory claims, by the United States establishing military, economic, and diplomatic ties with countries adjacent to China's borders.

So you think the US is going to go to war against Nuclear China to protect the interest of vietnam? Dude how old are you? Nations only act in their self interest, and the US will not lift a finger to protect an inch of vietnam, trust me.

Against China in the SCS your on your own, even the other ASEAN nations won't do anything, yea sure they will protest and condemn but at the end of the day no other nation will risk their own interest to come to your aid. That is a fact.

read again my post bro, I said that USA fight against China for USA interests.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

My grandfather was born in Hunan province，our ethnic group is called the Tujia people（土家族），but we had live in Jinan of Shandong province for 3 generations

I know Tujia people.

Dai Bingguo, one of the finest Chinese diplomats ever, is also a Tujia.
Dai Bingguo - Wikiwand
Did you know?

 

[LacViet]

My grandfather was born in Hunan province，our ethnic group is called the Tujia people（土家族），but we had live in Jinan of Shandong province for 3 generations

Thanks for information. Chinese members here on PDF from Mongolia, Manchuria, Yamoto ethnic group in China is less aggressive than Southern Chinese.

 

[damiendehorn]

read again my post bro, I said that USA fight against China for USA interests.

How is it in the interest of the US to go to war with a nuclear power like China, plus one that bank roles its spending? Its in the US interest for other countries to go to war with China.