Update on J-11B Project

[Akasa]

Guys, Su-30MKI is India's best fighter. To have them admit that China has indigenously produced what India must manufacture using Russian kits is impractical.

Nevertheless, TVC engines and foreign avionics still make the MKI slightly superior than any Chinese jet in service. But, I think you guys can swallow that.

Sorry, but J-11B happens to be 8 times stealthier than the Su-30MKI. The J-11B also boasts a radar that can track more targets than the Su-30MKI as well as a higher thrust-to-weight ratio (greater rate of climb and maneuverability).

Not to mention J-11B is slated for AESA

And it seems you have forgotten about the J-10B, which is considered a quasi-5th-generation fighter.

 

[logic]

Sorry, but J-11B happens to be 8 times stealthier than the Su-30MKI. The J-11B also boasts a radar that can track more targets than the Su-30MKI as well as a higher thrust-to-weight ratio (greater rate of climb and maneuverability).

Not to mention J-11B is slated for AESA

And it seems you have forgotten about the J-10B, which is considered a quasi-5th-generation fighter.

A typical fan boy statement.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

self delete

 

[tanlixiang28776]

A typical fan boy statement.

Besides the part about the J-10 being quasi fifth gen most of the information is correct.

 

[Akasa]

A typical fan boy statement.

J-11B has 3 m of RCS. Su-30MKI has about 25 m of RCS.

Should I start teaching you the art of division?

And if you don't believe me for the other facts, do some damn research.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

J-11B has 3 m of RCS. Su-30MKI has about 25 m of RCS.

Should I start teaching you the art of division?

And if you don't believe me for the other facts, do some damn research.

Your information on J11B is good but please don't state that the J 10B is a "quasi fifth generation fighter". It is only a 4.5 generation as it only has two of the requirements of a fifth generation fighter like its AESA and maneuverability but it lacks the the most important things like stealth and super-cruise.

Otherwise keep up the good work

 

[Akasa]

Your information on J11B is good but please don't state that the J 10B is a "quasi fifth generation fighter". It is only a 4.5 generation as it only has two of the requirements of a fifth generation fighter like its AESA and maneuverability but it lacks the the most important things like stealth and super-cruise.

Otherwise keep up the good work

Chinese news call the J-10B a "5th-generation fighter". It does have 5th-generation avionics, TVC engines, and a stealthy airframe (RCS was reported 0.3 m).

So it's only lacking supercruise and internal weapons bays.

Other people call it a 4.5++ generation fighter

 

[casual]

Sorry, but J-11B happens to be 8 times stealthier than the Su-30MKI. The J-11B also boasts a radar that can track more targets than the Su-30MKI as well as a higher thrust-to-weight ratio (greater rate of climb and maneuverability).

Not to mention J-11B is slated for AESA

And it seems you have forgotten about the J-10B, which is considered a quasi-5th-generation fighter.

citation needed

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Chinese news call the J-10B a "5th-generation fighter". It does have 5th-generation avionics, TVC engines, and a stealthy airframe (RCS was reported 0.3 m).

So it's only lacking supercruise and internal weapons bays.

Other people call it a 4.5++ generation fighter

I have never heard it mentioned as a fifth generation fighter on any news so please provide a source for that.

Even if a clean J 10B has a RCS of 0.3 it will still need to carry external weapons so it will be dramatically larger. It does not have any characteristics of all aspect LO.

 

[Akasa]

citation needed

http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/details-have-emerged-of-chinas-next-generation-j-11b-fighter.html

Highly of the foreign media: China 3.5 generation fighter J-11B is very powerful

T/W ratio of J-11 is already higher than Su-30MKI. Since the J-11B uses more powerful engines and much lighter airframe, its T/W ratio is certainly higher.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/details-have-emerged-of-chinas-next-generation-j-11b-fighter.html

Highly of the foreign media: China 3.5 generation fighter J-11B is very powerful

T/W ratio of J-11 is already higher than Su-30MKI. Since the J-11B uses more powerful engines and much lighter airframe, its T/W ratio is certainly higher.

3.5 generation in Chinese terminology is just 4.5 generation. The information on the J-11 is correct but nowhere does it state the J-10B is 5th generation.

 

[cross1993]

J-11B is 4G fighter, Not 5G.
It is the same level of performance with the Su-30. That is the reason for PLA refusing to buy Su-30.


Do not expect too much of the J-16. SAC can not produce a better aircraft than the CAC, J-16 is not better than the J-20.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

J-11B is 4G fighter, Not 5G.
It is the same level of performance with the Su-30. That is the reason for PLA refusing to buy Su-30.


Do not expect too much of the J-16. SAC can not produce a better aircraft than the CAC, J-16 is not better than the J-20.

If fitted with AESA and some other advanced electronics it could be a 4.5 generation but it's definitely not a 5th generation.

As for SAC you're being a little too harsh on them. They did create some of China's first truly indigenous planes. They are also experienced in heavy two engined planes which CAC has no experience in which is essential in the J-20.

As for the other J-XX projects we won't know what it's going to be until it comes out. It could be single engined for all we know.

 

[below_freezing]

SAC shouldn't be limited in its vision. With a heavy 4th generation out, they should concentrate on 5th generation with things like energy weapons, memory and piezoelectric materials instead of mechanical air foils, upper atmosphere operation abilities, and next generation jammers. it'll be cool to have optical stealth as well, even a little.

 

[S10]

SAC shouldn't be limited in its vision. With a heavy 4th generation out, they should concentrate on 5th generation with things like energy weapons, memory and piezoelectric materials instead of mechanical air foils, upper atmosphere operation abilities, and next generation jammers. it'll be cool to have optical stealth as well, even a little.

SAC does not get to pick their projects. Remember that SAC attempted to lobby the government to shut down J-8 production line for quite a while, because the government did not wish to pay more than 100 million RMB per plane. That caused alot of financial strain within the company as lizyu stated.

They have been doing a decent job IMO, but simply got outshined by CAC these last couple of years.