UPA's Pink Revolution Makes India World's Biggest Beef Exporter

[AUSTERLITZ]

That is because our sadhus generally do not interfere in the happenings of the society. Their quest is purely spiritual. Even then the Aghoris did step out and war against the Muslim invaders. All I was telling you was there are different sciences and India was well endowed to take care of its problems without losing its religion.

European technology is not helping Europeans today either. Their economy is collapsing, the society is crumbling, their families are destroyed, and their future bleak. So no technology does not thwart what is to come either.

Plz,everything u are is because of technology.Without it where would u be?Milking cows in the dark day after day in some mud hut with no hope or dreams or progress.And their economy is not collapsing.The fact that there is an advanced economy is due to science.wrong in all of human history mankind currently enjoys highest living standards worldwide and this will only increase.Space is now open to us. We have conquered the atom,the power of electricity,steam and so much more.This has been made possible by technology.Why are u on the net,why not go back to huts and read scriptures.

 

[GreenFoe]

Most riots in india post and pre independence took place due to cow killings that why Indian constitution has an article with which you can ban public killing of cows .

Want to eat cow meat? ok eat at your home :|

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Below are some of the excerpts from ancient scriptures and epics.
1)Mahabharata, 500 B.C.: King Rantiveda slaughters 2,000 cows a day in his royal kitchens and distributed beef along with grain to apparently grateful Brahmins, the Hindu priests.
2)Charak Samhita, 100 B.C.: Flesh of cow is prescribed as a medicine for various diseases. It is also prescribed for making soup and advised as a cure for irregular fever, consumption, and emaciation. The fat of the cow is recommended for debility and rheumatism.
3)Taittiriya Brahman , 500 B.C.: Verily the cow is food.
4)Yajnavalkya, one of the most popular hindu sages: ''Some people do not eat cow meat. I do so, provided it's tender.''
5)Sacrificial offering for Indra, the rain God and Agni, the fire God, are bulls and cows. (Perhaps that is why we are having less rain, as we stopped sacrificing cows.)
6)Vedas have mentioned 250 animals out of which at least 50 are fit for sacrifice and human consumption.
7)Manusmriti did not prohibit the consumption of beef.
Holy Cow a Myth? An Indian Finds The Kick Is Real - New York Times
@Manvantaratruti @madhu_greenleaf
Who said that alternative versions of Ramayanas were written by plagiarizers? Wasn't Raavana a Dharmik?
However, you didn't answer what is Sura that Devas/Suras loved to drink but Asuras were against it?

No actually this is a mistake in translation. 'Go' term is used in many ways in the Vedas (not sure about other texts) This is a problem/beauty of Sanskrit - a lot of 'pun intended'-s.
You raised a number of superb points. I will quote a huge piece - it's big but give it some time - hopefully you will get your answers. Since you are Indian, you will be able to understand some of the translations, so reading directly from the original texts is preferable.

The material presented here is based on a thorough and objective analysis of roots of Vedic words, the context in which they appear, Vedic Vocabulary, Philology, Grammar and other tools critical for correct interpretation of the Vedic mantras. Thus this research series does not merely rely on blind reproduction of works of Max Muller, Griffith, Wilson, Williams and other indologists on Vedas and Vedic language. While they are more popular in contemporary western academia, we have objective reasons to conclude that their works are far from authoritative. We shall explore this facet in more detail in this research series.

The Vedas are also accused of animal sacrifice in sacrificial ceremonies popularly known as the YAJNA. Interestingly a section of home-bred intellectuals claiming to have deep study of ancient India has also come up, who cite references from works of western indologists to prove such unholy content in the Vedas.

Saying that the Vedas permit beef-eating and cow-slaughter amounts to striking a lethal blow to a Hindu’s soul. Respect for cow forms a core tenet of Hinduism. Once you are able to convince him of flaws in the foundation of this core tenet and make him feel guilty, he becomes an easy prey for the predator faiths. There are millions of ill-informed Hindus who are not empowered to counter argue and hence quietly surrender.

The vested interests that malign the Vedas are not confined to foreign and home-bred indologists alone. A certain class among Hindus exploited the rest of the population including the socially and economically weaker sections by forcing them to believe and follow what they said in the name of Vedas or else face the wrath.

All the slanders heaped upon the Vedas can be attributed mainly to the interpretations of commentaries written by Mahidhar, Uvat and Saayan in the medieval times; and to what Vam-margis or the Tantra cult propagated in their books in the name of the Vedas.

In due course the falsehood spread far and wide and they became even more deep rooted when western scholars with their half baked knowledge of Sanskrit transliterated these interpretations of commentaries of Sayan and Mahidhar, in the name of translating the Vedas.

However, they lacked the pre-requisite understanding of Shiksha (Phonetics), Vyakarana (Grammar), Nirukta (Philology), Nighantu (Vocabulary), Chhanda (Prosody), Jyotish (Astronomy), Kalpa and so on that are critical for correct interpretation of the Vedas. Perhaps @Joe Shearer can help with these terms (italics added by me)
Section 1: No violence against animals
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Yasmintsarvaani bhutaanyaatmaivaabhuudvijaanatah
Tatra ko mohah kah shokah ekatvamanupasyatah
Yajurveda 40.7

“Those who see all beings as souls do not feel infatuation or anguish at their sight, for they experience oneness with them”.
How could people who believed in the doctrines of indestructibility, transmigration dare to kill living animals in yajnas? They might be seeing the souls of their own near and dear ones of bygone days residing in those living beings.
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Anumantaa vishasitaa nihantaa krayavikrayee
Samskartaa chopahartaa cha khadakashcheti ghaatakaah
Manusmrithi 5.51Those who permit slaying of animals; those who bring animals for slaughter; those who slaughter; those who sell meat; those who purchase meat; those who prepare dish out of it; those who serve that
meat and those who eat are all murderers.
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Breehimattam yavamattamatho maashamatho tilam
Esha vaam bhaago nihito ratnadheyaaya dantau maa hinsishtam pitaram maataram cha
Atharvaveda 6.140.2

O teeth! You eat rice, you eat barley, you gram and you eat sesame. These cereals are specifically meant for you. Do not kill those who are capable of being fathers and mothers.
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Ya aamam maansamadanti paurusheyam cha ye kravih
Garbhaan khaadanti keshavaastaanito naashayaamasi
Atharvaveda 8.6.23
We ought to destroy those who eat cooked as well as uncooked meat, meat involving destruction of males and females, foetus and eggs.
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Anago hatya vai bheema kritye
Maa no gaamashvam purusham vadheeh
Atharvaveda 10.1.29
It is definitely a great sin to kill innocents. Do not kill our cows, horses and people.

How could there be justification of cow and other animals being killed when killing is so clearly prohibited in the Vedas?
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Aghnyaa yajamaanasya pashoonpahi
Yajurveda 1.1

“O human! animals are Aghnya – not to be killed. Protect the animals”
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Pashunstraayethaam
Yajurveda 6.11

Protect the animals.
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Dwipaadava Chatushpaatpaahi
Yajurveda 14.8

Protect the bipeds and quadrupeds!
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Kravy da –kravya[ meat obtained from slaughter] + Ada [ the eater]—the meat eater.

Pisacha — pisita [meat] +asa [eater]—the meat eater.

Asutrpa — Asu [breath of life] + trpa [one who satisfies himself on]—one who takes others life for his meals.

Garba da and Anda da – the foetus and egg eaters.

Mans da – the meat eaters

Meat eaters have always been looked down in Vedic literature. They have been known as Rakshasas, Pisacha and so on….All these words are synonyms of demons or devils that have been out-cast from the civilized human society.
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Urjam no dhehi dwipade chatushpade
Yajurveda 11.83

“May all bipeds and quadrupeds gain strength and nourishment”

This mantra is recited by Hindus before every meal. How could the same philosophy which prays for well-being of every soul in every moment of life, approve of killing animals?
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Section 2: No violence in Yajna
Yajna never meant animal sacrifice in the sense popularly understood. Yajna in the Vedas meant a noble deed or the highest purifying action.

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Adhvara iti Yajnanaama – Dhvaratihimsaakarmaa tatpratishedhah
Nirukta 2.7

According to Yaaska Acharya, one of the synonyms of Yajna in Nirukta or the Vedic philology is Adhvara.

Dhvara means an act with himsa or violence. And therefore a-dhvara means an act involving no himsa or no violence. There are a large number of such usage of Adhvara in the Vedas.
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In the post-Mahabharata period, misinterpretation of the Vedas and interpolations in other scriptures took place at various points intime. Acharya Shankar reestablished the Vedic values to an extent.

In the more recent times, Swami Dayanand Saraswati – known as the grandfather of modern India – interpreted the Vedas as per thecorrect rules of the language and authentic evidences. His literature, which includes commentary on the Vedas, Satyarth Prakash loosely translated as Light of Truth, An Introduction to the Vedas and other texts led to widespread social reformation based on Vedic philosophy and dispelling of myths surrounding the Vedas.

Let us discover what the Vedas have to say on Yajna.

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Agne yam yagnamadhvaram vishwatah pari bhuurasi
Sa id deveshu gacchati
Rigveda 1.1.4

O lord of effulgence! The non-violent Yajna, you prescribe from all sides, is beneficial for all, touches divine proportions and is accepted by noble souls.
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The Rigveda describes Yajna as Adhvara or non violent throughout. Same is the case with all the other Vedas. How can it be then concluded that the Vedas permit violence or slaughter of animals?

The biggest accusation of cattle and cow slaughter comes in the context of the Yajnas that derived their names from different cattle like the Ashwamedh Yajna, the Gomedha Yajna and the Nar-medh Yajna. Even by the wildest stretch of the imagination the word Medha would not mean slaughter in this context.

It’s interesting to note what Yajurveda says about a horse
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Imam ma himsirekashafam pashum kanikradam vaajinam vaajineshu
Yajurveda 13.48

Do not slaughter this one hoofed animal that neighs and who goes with a speed faster than most of the animals.
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Aswamedha does not mean horse sacrifice at Yajna. Instead the Yajurveda clearly mentions that a horse ought not to be slaughtered.

In Shathapatha, Ashwa is a word for the nation or empire

The word medha does not mean slaughter. It denotes an act done in accordance to the intellect Alternatively it could mean consolidation, as evident from the root meaning of medha i.e. medhru san-ga-me

Raashtram vaa ashwamedhah
Annam hi gau
Agnirvaa ashwah
Aajyam medhah
(Shatpath 13.1.6.3)

Swami Dayananda Saraswati wrote in his Light of Truth:

A Yajna dedicated to the glory, wellbeing and prosperity of the Rashtra the nation or empire is known as the Ashwamedh yajna.

“To keep the food pure or to keep the senses under control, or to make the food pure or to make a good use of the rays of Sun or keep the earth free from impurities[clean] is called Gomedha Yajna”.

“The word Gau also means the Earth and the yajna dedicated to keep the Earth the environment clean is called Gomedha Yajna”

“The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna”.
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Section 3: No beef in Vedas
Not only the Vedas are against animal slaughter but also vehemently oppose and prohibit cow slaughter.Yajurveda forbids killing of cows, for they provide energizing food for human beings

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Ghrtam duhaanaamaditim janaayaagne maa himsiheeh
Yajurveda 13.49

Do not kill cows and bulls who always deserve to be protected.

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Aare gohaa nrhaa vadho vo astu
Rigveda 7.56.17

In Rigveda cow slaughter has been declared a heinous crime equivalent to human murder and it has been said that those who commits this crime should be punished.
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Sooyavasaad bhagavatee hi bhooyaa atho vayam bhagvantah syaama
Addhi trnamaghnye vishwadaaneem piba shuddhamudakamaacharantee
Rigveda 1.164.40 or Atharv 7.73.11 or Atharv 9.10.20

The Aghnya cows – which are not to be killed under any circumstances– may keep themselves healthy by use of pure water and green grass, so that we may be endowed with virtues, knowledge and wealth.

—————————————The Vedic Lexicon, Nighantu, gives amongst other synonyms of Gau[ or cow] the words Aghnya. Ahi, and Aditi. Yaska the commentator on Nighantu, defines these as-
Aghnya the one that ought not to be killed
Ahi the one that must not be slaughtered.
Aditi the one that ought not to be cut into pieces.

These three names of cow signify that the animal ought not to be put to tortures. These words appear frequently throughout the Vedas in context of the cow.

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Aghnyeyam saa vardhataam mahate soubhagaaya

Rigveda 1.164.27Cow – The aghnya – brings us health and prosperity

Suprapaanam Bhavatvaghnyaayaah
Rigveda 5.83.8There should be excellent facility for pure water for Aghnya Cow

Yah paurusheyena kravishaa samankte yo ashwena pashunaa yaatudhaanah

Yo aghnyaayaa bharati ksheeramagne teshaam sheershaani harasaapi vrishcha
Rigveda 10.87.16

Those who feed on human, horse or animal flesh and those who destroy milk-giving Aghnya cows should be severely punished.

Vimucchyadhvamaghnyaa devayaanaa aganma
Yajurveda 12.73The Aghnya cows and bulls bring you prosperity

Maa gaamanaagaamaditim vadhishta
Rigveda 8.101.15Do not kill the cow. Cow is innocent and aditi – that ought not to be cut into pieces

Antakaaya goghaatam
Yajurveda 30.18
Destroy those who kill cows

Yadi no gaam hansi yadyashwam yadi poorusham
Tam tvaa seesena vidhyaamo yatha no so aveeraha
Atharvaveda 1.16.4

If someone destroys our cows, horses or people, kill him with a bullet of lead.

Vatsam jaatamivaaghnyaa
Atharvaveda 3.30.1
Love each other as the Aghnya – non-killable cow – loves its calf

Dhenu sadanam rayeenaam
Atharvaveda 11.1.34
Cow is fountainhead of all bounties

The entire 28th Sukta or Hymn of 6th Mandal of Rigveda sings the glory of cow.
Aa gaavo agnamannuta bhadramakrantseedantu

Bhooyobhooyo rayimidasya vardhayannabhinne

Na taa nashanti na dabhaati taskaro naasaamamitro vyathiraa dadharshati

Na taa arvaa renukakaato ashnute na samskritramupa yanti taa abhi

Gaavo bhago gaava indro me achhaan

Yooyam gaavo medayathaa

Maa vah stena eeshata maaghanshasah

1. Everyone should ensure that cows are free from miseries and kept healthy.
2. God blesses those who take care of cows.
3. Even the enemies should not use any weapon on cows
4. No one should slaughter the cow
5. Cow brings prosperity and strength

6. If cows keep healthy and happy, men and women shall also keep disease free and prosperous

7. May the cow eat green grass and pure water. May they not be killed and bring prosperity to us.

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What more proofs does one need to understand the high esteem in which not only the cow but each living being is held in the Vedas.

The learned audience can decide for themselves from these evidences that the Vedas are completely against any inhuman practice… to top it all the Beef and Cow slaughter.

There is no Beef in Vedas.
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Bibliography:

1. Rigveda Bhashya – Commentary on Rigveda by Swami Dayanand Saraswati

2. Yajurveda Bhashya – Commentary on Yajurveda by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
3. No Beef in Vedas by BD Ukhul

4. Vedon ka Yatharth Swaroop (True nature of Vedas) by Pt Dharmadeva Vidyavachaspati
5. All 4 Veda Samhita by Pt Damodar Satvalekar

6. Pracheen Bharat me Gomamsa – Ek Sameeksha (Beef in Ancient India – an analysis) by Geeta Press, Gorakhpur
7. The Myth of Holy Cow – by DN Jha
8. Hymns of Atharvaveda – Griffith
9. Scared Books of the east – Max Muller
10. Rigveda translations by Williams/Jones
11. Sanskrit English Dictionary – Monier Williams
12. Commentary on Vedas by Dayanand Sansthan
13. Western Indologists – a study of motives by Pt Bhagvadutt
14. Satyarth Prakash by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
15. Introduction to Vedas by Swami Dayanand Saraswati
16. Cloud over understanding of Vedas by BD Ukhul
17. Shathpath Brahman
18. Nirukta – Yaska Acharya
19. Dhatupath – Panini
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a. The article has given evidence from Manu Smriti itself which states that even one who permits killing is a murderer. Thus all these additional shlokas are either from adulterated Manu Smriti or misinterpreted by twisting of words.

b. A typical example of foul play by those hell-bent on justifying their obsession with beef in ancient texts, is to translate Mansa as ‘meat’. In reality, ‘Mansa’ is a generic word used to denote pulp. Meat is called ‘Mansa’ because it is pulpy. So mere presence of ‘Mansa’ does not mean it refers to meat.

c. With regards to Vedas, they could come up with two mantras that supposedly justify beef eating. Let us evaluate them:

Claim: Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”
Fact: The mantra states that in winter, the rays of sun get weakened and then get strong again in spring. The word used for sun-rays in ‘Go’ which also means cow and hence the mantra can also be translated by making ‘cow’ and not ‘sun-rays’ as the subject. The word used for ‘weakened’ is ‘Hanyate’ which can also mean killing. But if that be so, why would the mantra go further and state in next line (which is deliberately not translated) that in spring, they start regaining their original form.

How can a cow killed in winter regain its health in spring?
Claim: Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”

Fact: The mantra states that brilliant scholars enlighten the world in the manner that wood enhances the fire of Yajna. I fail to understand from where did Avtar Gill and his friends discover Indra, cow, calf, horse and buffalo in this mantra!

I know this is huge - but comprehensive. I did check them up - and found resonance.
Bottomline - I am a veggie(except egg) but I won't force others. But beef is not there IMO in texts.
Sourced - No beef in Vedas — Self-Help | Motivation | Spiritualism | Rationalism | Vedas | Hinduism | Anti-Casteism | Women Rights - Agniveer

 

[duhastmish]

I wonder what most beef supporter from Pakistan would say: if Pakistan becomes biggest supplier of pork and pork products. Govt allows pork farming and raising without people concent.

 

[dray]

listen dude...if a majority of population considers an animal as holy then goi is alright in banning them, its just realistic,,,,if goi can ban satanic verse then why not beef export

GOI is running a federal government where each state has certain liberties.

And this is fundamentalism, a clear case of rabid fundamentalism that we are adopting from wrong people.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Eating meat and having alcohol does not make you a bad Hindu. Not following the Vedas also does not make you an apostate - the precise difference between Semitic and Dharmic faiths. Live and let live is our philosophy.
Hell - I do have alcohol

 

[dray]

I wonder what most beef supporter from Pakistan would say: if Pakistan becomes biggest supplier of pork and pork products. Govt allows pork farming and raising without people concent.

We are not Pakistan, or Saudis, or Jamatis, or wahabis, so why are we trying to behave like them?

 

[INDIC]

No actually this is a mistake in translation. 'Go' term is used in many ways in the Vedas (not sure about other texts) This is a problem/beauty of Sanskrit - a lot of 'pun intended'-s.

I found lots of meaning of 'Go' in the Sanskrit dictionary.

http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?script=HK&beginning=0+&tinput=+go&trans=Translate&direction=AU

 

[SarthakGanguly]

We are not Pakistan, or Saudis, or Jamatis, or wahabis, so why are we trying to behave like them?

I can understand your dilemma. But there is a fundamental difference between Jamatis and the Beef banners

Jamaatis want to kill, while beef banners want to save. I can appreciate the fact that you may want to eat it, but while so many worship it, it's best to keep it private(not necessarily in home). Besides we are basically urban folks - there is social disconnect with the people from the villages. In most places in the rural areas, cows are almost family members. They are given names and called as 'son' or 'daughter'. No kidding!

No fundo is also not going to be able to snatch the food from your plate. They won't be able to give life back to a slaughtered cow or goat etc. All they can do is ask you or shout to you that it hurts them deeply. This is a sensitive matter. Of course you want to be left alone with whatever you wish to eat. But we need to appreciate their views as well.

I found lots of meaning of 'Go' in the Sanskrit dictionary.

http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?script=HK&beginning=0 &tinput= go&trans=Translate&direction=AU

See - that's the problem. I think one of the reason why Sanskrit became so unpopular

 

[dray]

Okay, here are some quotes from Swami Vivekananda:

In this article we are going to make a collection of Swami Vivekananda's quotes and comments on beef-eating and cow slaughter.

• 
  
  Hindus from North to South are only agreed
  on one point, viz. on not eating beef.
  —Swami Vivekananda
  
• At present there are three parties in India included under the term 'Hindu' — the orthodox, the reforming sects of the Mohammedan period, and the reforming sects of the present time. Hindus from North to South are only agreed on one point, viz. on not eating beef.[Source]
• Buddha dealt a blow at animal sacrifice from which India has never recovered; and Buddha said, 'Kill no cows', and cow-killing is an impossibility with us.[Source]
• England has the sword, the material world, as our Mohammedan conquerors had before her. Yet Akbar the Great became practically a Hindu; educated Mohammedans, the Sufis, are hardly to be distinguished from the Hindus; they do not eat beef, and in other ways conform to our usages. Their thought has become permeated by ours.[Source]
• Every man, in every age, in every country is under peculiar circumstances. If the circumstances change, ideas also must change. Beef-eating was once moral. The climate was cold, and the cereals were not much known. Meat was the chief food available. So in that age and clime, beef was in a manner indispensable. But beef-eating is held to be immoral now.[Source]
• Haven't you heard Shri Ramakrishna's story about "the sin of killing a cow"? . . . A man had laid out a beautiful garden into which a cow strayed one day and did much injury. The man in rage gave some blows to the cow which killed her. Then to avoid the terrible sin he bethought himself of a trick; knowing that Indra was the presiding deity of the hand, he tried to lay the blame on him. Indra perceiving his sophistry appeared on the scene in the guise of a Brahmin and by a number of questions drew from him the answer that each and every item in connection with that garden was the man's own handiwork; whereupon Indra exposed his cunning with the cutting remark, "Well, everything here has been done by you, and Indra alone is responsible for the killing of the cow, eh!"[Source]
• If a Christian finds a piece of beef before him and does not eat it to save his own life, or will not give it to save the life of another man, he is sure to feel that he has not done his duty. But if a Hindu dares to eat that piece of beef or to give it to another Hindu, he is equally sure to feel that he too has not done his duty; the Hindu's training and education make him feel that way.[Source]
• If we did not eat beef and mutton, there would be no butchers. Eating meat is only allowable for people who do very hard work, and who are not going to be Bhaktas; but if you are going to be Bhaktas, you should avoid meat.[Source]
• In the midst of all these differences we note one point of unity among all Hindus, and it is this, that no Hindu eats beef.[Source]
• It is improper to hold many texts on the same subject to be contradicted by one or two. But why then are the long-continued customs of Madhuparka and the like repealed by one or two such texts as, "The horse sacrifice, the cow sacrifice, Sannyasa, meat-offerings in Shrâddha", etc.? If the Vedas are eternal, then what are the meaning and justification of such specifications as "this rule of Dharma is for the age of Dvâpara," "this for the age of Kali", and so forth?[Source] (Note: Madhuparka was a Vedic ceremony, usually in honour of guest, in which a respectful offering was to be made consisting, among other dainties, of beef.)
• The Brahmins at one time ate beef and married Sudras. [A] calf was killed to please a guest. Sudras cooked for Brahmins.[Source]
• There was a time in this very India when, without eating beef, no Brahmin could remain a Brahmin; you read in the Vedas how, when a Sannyasin, a king, or a great man came into a house, the best bullock was killed; how in time it was found that as we were an agricultural race, killing the best bulls meant annihilation of the race. Therefore the practice was stopped, and a voice was raised against the killing of cows.[Source]
• You will be astonished if I tell you that, according to the old ceremonials, he is not a good Hindu who does not eat beef. On certain occasions he must sacrifice a bull and eat it. That is disgusting now. However they may differ from each other in India, in that they are all one — they never eat beef. The ancient sacrifices and the ancient gods, they are all gone; modern India belongs to the spiritual part of the Vedas.[Source]

Swami Vivekananda Quotes: Swami Vivekananda's Quotes And Comments On Beef-eating And Cow Slaughter

Penguin Swami Vivekananda Reader - Google Books

Beef eating was part of ancient Hindu culture.

@Manvantaratruti @madhu_greenleaf @SarthakGanguly @queerbait

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

Plz,everything u are is because of technology.Without it where would u be?Milking cows in the dark day after day in some mud hut with no hope or dreams or progress.And their economy is not collapsing.The fact that there is an advanced economy is due to science.wrong in all of human history mankind currently enjoys highest living standards worldwide and this will only increase.Space is now open to us. We have conquered the atom,the power of electricity,steam and so much more.This has been made possible by technology.Why are u on the net,why not go back to huts and read scriptures.

Who said I will be milking cows in some mud hut? I could have been the queen of Gond or some warrior somewhere or even a trader. Their economy is collapsing, just check out the videos of what is happening in Spain, Greece, UK, and other European countries. Just because you choose to behave like an ostrich the rest of the world would not follow you. What is to say this is the highest standard of living man has achieved? Working a 9 to 5 job just constant pressure with the boss breathing down ones neck cannot be called as quality of life. Entire life spending cooped up in closed classrooms, then office spaces cannot be called as quality of life. Getting free of this horrible cycle only when one turns 60 and is loaded with diseases is not quality of life.

I could have lived in the Himalayas the most idyllic life, spent my time gazing at meadows and snowy peaks, been one with the elements and free as as bird.

Why am I on net? I am a creature of my time and one has to do with what one has got. So for now, the internet would do. Not idyllic, but timepass.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

@DRAY - I will read up those some time soon. Thanks Please also do read that lengthy post of mine

 

[madhu_greenleaf]

GOI is running a federal government where each state has certain liberties.

And this is fundamentalism, a clear case of rabid fundamentalism that we are adopting from wrong people.

Yours is a case of the shallow intellectuals who ruined India. All they wanted to do was behave the opposite of how the Pakistanis behave and let us see what they did with it.

Pakistan: Majoritarian rule. Islam is good, everything else is bad. Muslims are superior, everyone else is inferior. So Muslims must be given all benefits and Hindus and other minorities must be marginalized. All rules framed keeping the interest of Muslims in mind.

India: Non Majoritarian rule. Islam is good, everything else is bad. Muslims are superior, everyone else is inferior. So Muslims must be given all benefits and Hindus and other minorities must be marginalized. All rules framed keeping the interest of Muslims in mind.

See, two sets of people behaving on opposite ideas but achieving the same results.

Likewise everything you do will make you behave just like a Pakistani. Beef eater and a man who will ride rough shod over Hindu interests.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Who said I will be milking cows in some mud hut? I could have been the queen of Gond or some warrior somewhere or even a trader. Their economy is collapsing, just check out the videos of what is happening in Spain, Greece, UK, and other European countries. Just because you choose to behave like an ostrich the rest of the world would not follow you. What is to say this is the highest standard of living man has achieved? Working a 9 to 5 job just constant pressure with the boss breathing down ones neck cannot be called as quality of life. Entire life spending cooped up in closed classrooms, then office spaces cannot be called as quality of life. Getting free of this horrible cycle only when one turns 60 and is loaded with diseases is not quality of life.

I could have lived in the Himalayas the most idyllic life, spent my time gazing at meadows and snowy peaks, been one with the elements and free as as bird.

Why am I on net? I am a creature of my time and one has to do with what one has got. So for now, the internet would do. Not idyllic, but timepass.

So go an have ur idyllic life,don't try to drag the world with you.Never has this much of the human populace been educated,never this much food security,security from destructive warfare,freedom to travel the world protected by intl laws,scientific discoveries,never better healthcare,more protected from plagues and diseases,never so much deep knowledge about workings of nature,never so militarily powerful,never so easy to communicate, and so on and so on.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Yours is a case of the shallow intellectuals who ruined India. All they wanted to do was behave the opposite of how the Pakistanis behave and let us see what they did with it.

Pakistan: Majoritarian rule. Islam is good, everything else is bad. Muslims are superior, everyone else is inferior. So Muslims must be given all benefits and Hindus and other minorities must be marginalized. All rules framed keeping the interest of Muslims in mind.

India: Non Majoritarian rule. Islam is good, everything else is bad. Muslims are superior, everyone else is inferior. So Muslims must be given all benefits and Hindus and other minorities must be marginalized. All rules framed keeping the interest of Muslims in mind.

See, two sets of people behaving on opposite ideas but achieving the same results.

Likewise everything you do will make you behave just like a Pakistani. Beef eater and a man who will ride rough shod over Hindu interests.

DRAY is a (communal) comrade in arms
Abki bar Modi Sarkar...

No point attacking personally. Chill.

Red meat is harmful. Join PETA. Convince people peacefully.