Undocumented Pakistani immigrants hide in the shadows in Paris

[Arulmozhi Varman]

They say Pakistani men enter marriages with EU passport holders but fail to recognise how different their cultures and traditions are. "A man is not able to stop his European wife from going out of the house," says one immigrant, recognising that the culture allows women to have agency which women back home may not have.

This is the primary reason why Muslims have never been able to integrate themselves with any Western society. There are here and there odd inter-racial or inter-religion marriages. But that's about it. All you can see is they marrying within their community, living in their own areas (like in UK) and very very less integration with the country of host.

 

[Safriz]

These are youth who watched too much pron and Hollywood and then started thinking that money gries on trees in white lands and every white woman will fuk them and drinking alcohol instrad of water is what the white people do. These fantasies draw them to Europe and then reality comes crashing down on them.

 

[Yankee-stani]

These are youth who watched too much pron and Hollywood and then started thinking that money gries on trees in white lands and every white woman will fuk them and drinking alcohol instrad of water is what the white people do. These fantasies draw them to Europe and then reality comes crashing down on them.

Damn K1ikes are good at propaganda

 

[Kailash Kumar]

@Jyotish Kailashkumar can explain
better

@Tps43 @Moonlight

Ok.

A while ago, on a Dutch talkshow (Binnenhof), a British man was interviewed.
He had worked in the prison system in the United Kingdom for many years.
And one of the things he said was that in the beginning, when he started working in prisons, he saw (when looked at the South Asian prison population) Hindus (Indians), Sikhs (Indians), Muslims (Pakistanis and of course other Muslims like Bangladeshis).
So all types of religions equally represented.
But more recently he said, he saw more Muslims.

This would create a stereotype that Pakistanis are more often in prison than Indians nowadays.

So, in the past, Indians and Pakistanis would be named in one sentence, when, for example, you would look at the prison population.
But when you look at current statistics:

You cannot name Indians (at least Hindus and Sikhs) in the same sentence as Pakistanis (Muslims).

They do not share the same stereotypes (anymore).
(The prison population statistics is just an example)

In the last couple of years, Pakistanis have become more associated with Afghans when you would look at something that defines the image of a nation: terrorism.
To many people outside of Pakistan and Afghanistan, there is not much difference in, for example, where terrorists come from.

This picture says it all:

When Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan, this was not really helpful in creating a positive image of Pakistan.
Also many Al-Qaeda members used to be ex-mujahideen, but later on a great number came from Pakistan.
And, when you look at the Afghan Taliban, if I am correct, Mullah Omar was educated in a Pakistani Madrasah.
(These are just some examples).

So, for many people outside Pakistan and Afghanistan, for example in The Netherlands, these two countries are 'the same' and therefore they will be seen as the same and will have the same stereotypes.

And many of you might say that these terrorists are actually Afghan refugees.
And I believe you.
But many people outside Pakistan (and outside this forum) are not aware of the current situation and history of Pakistan.

So, for them Pakistanis and Afghanis are 'the same' (type of people).

And when Afghans (posing as Pakistanis or not) do something bad, it will also affect the image of Pakistan and Pakistanis.

So, does this bother you?

To be, for example, seen as an Afghan refugee from Peshawar recruited as a terrorist or trying to reach Europe illegally, even though you are a Pakistani from Lahore on a vacation with the correct visa?

 

[nahtanbob]

Pakistani my arse... They all look Afghan ... They just run off with fake Pakistani passports and they don't want to be deported back to Afghanistan so they say they are Pakistani .

Afghans would be more eligible for political asylum

 

[Clutch]

Afghans would be more eligible for political asylum

Not if they get shipped back to Afghanistan.

 

[nahtanbob]

Not if they get shipped back to Afghanistan.

well if they do not get political asylum they are going back to Afghanistan
countries will listen to Afghan national's request for asylum more favorably compared to one from a Pakistani nationality

 

[Clutch]

well if they do not get political asylum they are going back to Afghanistan
countries will listen to Afghan national's request for asylum more favorably compared to one from a Pakistani nationality

What they say during the asylum hearing may differ from what they state afterwards... They are afghans... And they don't want to go back to Afghanistan.

 

[Darwin]

Comparing pakistan to afghanistan which is a country with a active civil war , should make pakistanis ponder.
This delusional view of the west is prevelant in indian punjab also. I know someone from here who went to new zealand a few years back. He was a mktng officer in a well known company here. From a upper middle class family , but went to NZ on a student visa. Picked fruit to subsidize his PG diploma . Had 3 jobs at one time. Now is opening a grocery store.
Initially he was very keen to call his immediate family to NZ , but now is totally against it.
He didnt want to go through the career grind in india and is ready to struggle in a white country , all alone.
Bet he is back in india in a couple of years.

 

[valkyr_96]

These are youth who watched too much pron and Hollywood and then started thinking that money gries on trees in white lands and every white woman will fuk them and drinking alcohol instrad of water is what the white people do. These fantasies draw them to Europe and then reality comes crashing down on them.

Please watch the video and stop shitting from your mouth. People migrate because someone else made it

@Tps43 @Moonlight

Ok.

A while ago, on a Dutch talkshow (Binnenhof), a British man was interviewed.
He had worked in the prison system in the United Kingdom for many years.
And one of the things he said was that in the beginning, when he started working in prisons, he saw (when looked at the South Asian prison population) Hindus (Indians), Sikhs (Indians), Muslims (Pakistanis and of course other Muslims like Bangladeshis).
So all types of religions equally represented.
But more recently he said, he saw more Muslims.

This would create a stereotype that Pakistanis are more often in prison than Indians nowadays.

So, in the past, Indians and Pakistanis would be named in one sentence, when, for example, you would look at the prison population.
But when you look at current statistics:

View attachment 524198

You cannot name Indians (at least Hindus and Sikhs) in the same sentence as Pakistanis (Muslims).

They do not share the same stereotypes (anymore).
(The prison population statistics is just an example)

In the last couple of years, Pakistanis have become more associated with Afghans when you would look at something that defines the image of a nation: terrorism.
To many people outside of Pakistan and Afghanistan, there is not much difference in, for example, where terrorists come from.

This picture says it all:

View attachment 524199

When Osama Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan, this was not really helpful in creating a positive image of Pakistan.
Also many Al-Qaeda members used to be ex-mujahideen, but later on a great number came from Pakistan.
And, when you look at the Afghan Taliban, if I am correct, Mullah Omar was educated in a Pakistani Madrasah.
(These are just some examples).

So, for many people outside Pakistan and Afghanistan, for example in The Netherlands, these two countries are 'the same' and therefore they will be seen as the same and will have the same stereotypes.

And many of you might say that these terrorists are actually Afghan refugees.
And I believe you.
But many people outside Pakistan (and outside this forum) are not aware of the current situation and history of Pakistan.

So, for them Pakistanis and Afghanis are 'the same' (type of people).

And when Afghans (posing as Pakistanis or not) do something bad, it will also affect the image of Pakistan and Pakistanis.

So, does this bother you?

To be, for example, seen as an Afghan refugee from Peshawar recruited as a terrorist or trying to reach Europe illegally, even though you are a Pakistani from Lahore on a vacation with the correct visa?

You are assuming that all Muslims are Pakistanis, in fact, you will find muslims from all over the world in the UK. Additionally, people also convert in the prisons.

 

[Safriz]

Please watch the video and stop shitting from your mouth. People migrate because someone else made it

You are assuming that all Muslims are Pakistanis, in fact, you will find muslims from all over the world in the UK.

Oh fuk off illegitimate child of a one night stand as most of you are.
I know exactly what i am on about.
The generation shown in the video is the first generation of Migrants. In the 1950s and 1960s, when Europe was reeling from WW" and making big industrial base and needed workers. These people had no shortage of work and they worked their assses off. Not the same anymore. Far from it. UK cant even take care of their old and disabled and roads have potholes like in a third world coubtry.

 

[valkyr_96]

Oh fuk off illegitimate child of a one night stand as most of you are.
I know exactly what i am on about.
The generation shown in the video is the first generation of Migrants. In the 1950s and 1960s, when Europe was reeling from WW" and making big industrial base and needed workers. These people had no shortage of work and they worked their assses off. Not the same anymore. Far from it. UK cant even take care of their old and disabled and roads have potholes like in a third world coubtry.

You haven't seen the documentary... it clearly shows poor villagers are dreams of going to Europe because they know someone made it. it doesn't matter when? This is the reason why people from the villages dream of going abroad through undocumented means the other is claiming "ayslum". You clear are one of those backward Pakistanis, we don't want to be associated with when we study abroad.

 

[Kailash Kumar]

You are assuming that all Muslims are Pakistanis, in fact, you will find muslims from all over the world in the UK. Additionally, people also convert in the prisons.

I said: 'he saw (when looked at the South Asian prison population) Hindus (Indians), Sikhs (Indians), Muslims (Pakistanis and of course other Muslims like Bangladeshis).'

When looked at the South Asian prison population...

But even so, when Muslims are, for example, overrepresented in the United Kingdom prison population, this will have a negative effect on the image of all Muslims in the UK: Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Afghans, Somalis, Nigerians, Lebanese etc.

And that was the whole point.
Someone you might not want to be associated with, for example Afghans, will be associated with you in the eyes of others, because in their eyes, you share a lot of similarities.

 

[valkyr_96]

I said: 'he saw (when looked at the South Asian prison population) Hindus (Indians), Sikhs (Indians), Muslims (Pakistanis and of course other Muslims like Bangladeshis).'

When looked at the South Asian prison population...

What is the point of he said she said when you have shown the table. Furthermore, If other people are uneducated in terms of geography how is our fault? The issue is about illegal immigrants and this is true for many nationalities including Indians

and South Americans (they have a different route) and others. I have only pointed out that people only do this because they have heard that other people have made it. During the Athens Olympics Greece imported a lot of Pakistani labour for construction. They live there but are marginalized. Some of them were shot dead as well. Most of these landlords employed them in farm work, but they did not pay them and owed them upto 20,000 euros. They were not paying because they were under "crisis" and wanted to pay but "legally".

 

[313ghazi]

How the heck is that any better than the home country? At least back home, they had food to eat and a house of their own.

Some people are stupid. I know of 1 guy who had a home, successful business, wife kids, left for Italy as an illegal immigrant. His family begged him not to. His brother who lives in the UK has built him a very nice home and helped him setup a business. Unfortunately some people are fools. They think the streets of Europe are paved with gold and those of us abroad are lying to stop them getting their share.

He went to Italy, spent a few years hiding like a dog, wife found another man - left; took the kids. Business fell apart. Now he is back in Pakistan counting the cost of his foolishness.