ULFA urges Dhaka to 'stop crackdown’

[toxic_pus]

Joke:

If we cut the chicken neck then ur India will no more surround us by 3 sides.

Run along little one and play with your crayons.

 

[sarthak]

Joke:

If we cut the chicken neck then ur India will no more surround us by 3 sides.

True , thats because if you try to cut the chicken neck , u will no longer exist

 

[leonblack08]

I hate to do this, but you asked for it.

"Every time I sent them in, every time they saw a burly Punjabi or Pathan, they ran, leaving their weapons behind" - General Manekshaw

Steel balls? Or balls of raisin?

Toxic,I know your reply was in different context,but your quote of Gen.Manekshaw will create misconception in people's mind.

As for Gen.Manekshaw,he definitely generalised when saying something like that.

For example,Freedom fighters also consisted of former Pakistan army,navy,air force,EPR,police.I even know one major who was at SSG.So above mentioned words,definitely doesn't match up.

If his words were so true,then how "Operation Jackpot" was successful?Not all of them were naval commandos,there were civilian turned freedom fighters too.
For that ops,they had to carry limpet mines on their bodies to blow up Pakistani ships,which they did successfully.That you call suicidal mission.

Now do you think his words match up?

I don't know on what context he said that,but if that is what he used to describe FFs,then he definitely was wrong.

General Jacob,the main man behind giving training and supply to FFs,believes without FFs,all these would not have been possible so easily.

So I am confused.

 

[Skies]

In a scenario where India-China are at war,only that time Bangladesh cutting the corridor will matter to India.Otherwise It doesn't have any value.

I said about that time also, in case of involvement of cool China.
And mentioned it as joke.
Y so serious?
I was enjoying the angry replies to my joke.
Let them think us so weak, but a war is not so easy in reality.
None should take his enemy as weak. Look at Afghan.

Also obviously, we r not enemy.
But they have to face lot of pressure and problems in case we attacked.

 

[leonblack08]

I said about that time also, in case of involvement of cool China.
And mentioned it as joke.
Y so serious?
I was enjoying the angry replies to my joke.
Let them think us so weak, but a war is not so easy in reality.
None should take his enemy as weak. Look at Afghan.

Also obviously, we r not enemy.
But they have to face lot of pressure and problems in case we attacked.

Since everyone is taking it seriously,it does not remain a joke.And as I said before,you are representing your country here,so think before posting,please.

 

[Skies]

I am requestiing you not to make jokes which makes you look like a fool and also make Bangladeshis in general look like a fool.Remember that with that Bangladeshi flag,you are representing Bangladesh.So don't talk nonsense.

I must need to be conscious about my flag and BD.
But, to me, it's not too important to act as an very sensible to India who dose not behave friendly to its' neighbor.

Do u think that I behave in the same way to Pak, China or others as I behave to India?
So if India can not behave sensible then I also no need to behave sensible to them.

Didn't u see that I posted the joke to an Indian who was taking too much vabsssssss(mood) as he thinks that they are surround us so they will dominate us.

 

[TopCat]

Exhibit A

The lack of development is not because people are hostile (in fact they are 'hostile' because of lack of development) or it is far from Delhi (southern tip of India is even farther from New Delhi). The primary reason is that, there is very little industrial growth potential. Only tourism, agriculture and a little bit mining can be sustained.

YOu are right. But if Assam were a independent country they could sell their vast natural resources to India like oil and gas, timber, hard rock, lime stone, tea, rice etc. Bangladesh could even be ready to pay higher price than India for those. That would make Assam the second Thailand. What do you say???

Now India is getting those free in return assamese are given visa free entry to India.

Exhibit B

You think the entire NE India is Assam.

They certainly bears the same cause.

Exhibit C

Coming from a country that is struggling to have its own industrial base.

Sorry to hear your ignorance. Our industrial contribution to the GDP is 28.5% in last year and will be 30% after this fiscal. It will overtake India in percentage wise if India remain same as last year's 29%.

 

[TopCat]

No Indian comes to BD for job.

Everyday i have to face a sardarji who is just my neighbour. Its not only Indians, Pakistanis and Srilankans are here in big masses too. I did not encounter any Nepalis though.

I even saw an Indian guy selling MLM to the students here.. that was wiered. Some Indians even opened up clothing shop in BongoBajar (cheap market selling rejected garments).

 

[leonblack08]

Everyday i have to face a sardarji who is just my neighbour. Its not only Indians, Pakistanis and Srilankans are here in big masses too. I did not encounter any Nepalis though.

I even saw an Indian guy selling MLM to the students here.. that was wiered. Some Indians even opened up clothing shop in BongoBajar (cheap market selling rejected garments).

Iajdani man are you in Uttara?I see a lot of Indian,Pakistani and Sri Lankans here.All for business purpose,these people are legal though.

And as for Pagan's comment that no Indian comes to BD,he needs to get his data updated.

According to home ministry,more than half a million Indians are working and living illegally in Bangladesh.
there was some discussion about that here on PDF.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...legal-indians-staying-working-bangladesh.html

 

[toxic_pus]

Toxic,I know your reply was in different context,but your quote of Gen.Manekshaw will create misconception in people's mind.

As for Gen.Manekshaw,he definitely generalised when saying something like that.

For example,Freedom fighters also consisted of former Pakistan army,navy,air force,EPR,police.I even know one major who was at SSG.So above mentioned words,definitely doesn't match up.

If his words were so true,then how "Operation Jackpot" was successful?Not all of them were naval commandos,there were civilian turned freedom fighters too.
For that ops,they had to carry limpet mines on their bodies to blow up Pakistani ships,which they did successfully.That you call suicidal mission.

Now do you think his words match up?

I don't know on what context he said that,but if that is what he used to describe FFs,then he definitely was wrong.

General Jacob,the main man behind giving training and supply to FFs,believes without FFs,all these would not have been possible so easily.

So I am confused.

Although Manekshaw was a bit flamboyant, perhaps more than his position would warrant, his comments, although a bit uncharitable wasn't entirely false. He was talking of the ordinary citizens of BD who were trained in BSF camps.

Roughly about 15,000 EPR members, the entire Bengali contingent, had defected. About 3,000 of them could be disarmed, while the remaining defected with their arms. The Bengalis in the police force had also defected. They formed the core of Mukti Bahini, and the initial batches of trainees. Later on, they in turn, became the trainers. But they didn't make the entire contingent of Mukti Bahinis. From May onwards ordinary youths far exceeded the defected ones.

The training commenced according to the educational qualifications. The graduates, were given specialised training in sabotage and guerilla tactics, and some of them were even taken to IMF to be trained as officers. People with science backgrounds were trained in electronics, radar/radio operations, explosives etc. Some were even taken to Cochin and Veranasi to be trained as frogmen. They later played valuable role in sabotaging the Pak ships and blowing up key bridges. The under grads or even those without much education were given the usual non-specialised training.

An image of such ragtag team was published in Life (10.12.71),

From June onwards, these people would be pushed into East Pakistan to undertake guerilla type attacks, under the cover of heavy artillery fire. Most of the time they would fail to hold their positions and almost always PA would regain their position. It was in this context that Manekshaw made these comments.

There is no need to be confused.

 

[toxic_pus]

YOu are right. But if Assam were a independent country they could sell their vast natural resources to India like oil and gas, timber, hard rock, lime stone, tea, rice etc. Bangladesh could even be ready to pay higher price than India for those. That would make Assam the second Thailand. What do you say???

Now India is getting those free in return assamese are given visa free entry to India.

And how do you suppose 'independent' Assam with virtually no industrial base would extract those natural resources. By gathering around and screaming in unison 'abracadabra'? Besides, how much natural resource do you think Assam has to make it sustain its economy solely on it?

They certainly bears the same cause.

Certainly. They all are peeved by illegal BD immigrants.

Sorry to hear your ignorance. Our industrial contribution to the GDP is 28.5% in last year and will be 30% after this fiscal. It will overtake India in percentage wise if India remain same as last year's 29%.

So? As per IMF, Per Capita GDP (PPP) of India during 2008 was $ 2800 while the same for Bangladesh was $1400.

 

[Iggy]

These guys are beyond hopeless..Eastwatch and those guys who says Assamese loves u and ready to become the part of your country should visit that place and tell them this and let us know whats their reaction

 

[TopCat]

And how do you suppose 'independent' Assam with virtually no industrial base would extract those natural resources. By gathering around and screaming in unison 'abracadabra'? Besides, how much natural resource do you think Assam has to make it sustain its economy solely on it?

My wild guess, should be enough for 3 crore people. Second, if BD could do that without any resource whatsover, why not Assamese. Do you consider them less human???

Certainly. They all are peeved by illegal BD immigrants.

thats a propaganda and racial incitement only to divert the real attention to somewhere else.

So? As per IMF, Per Capita GDP (PPP) of India during 2008 was $ 2800 while the same for Bangladesh was $1400.

Please dont show me PPP. Dont forget that BD belongs to LDC and that is how we did after our per capita income came to a threshold when we cant remain as LDC anymore. PPP factoring was revised in 2005/2006 which was same as India for the last 50 years. That is how we get market access to Developed world...

 

[praveen]

My wild guess, should be enough for 3 crore people. Second, if BD could do that without any resource whatsover, why not Assamese. Do you consider them less human???


thats a propaganda and racial incitement only to divert the real attention to somewhere else.


Please dont show me PPP. Dont forget that BD belongs to LDC and that is how we did after our per capita income came to a threshold when we cant remain as LDC anymore. PPP factoring was revised in 2005/2006 which was same as India for the last 50 years. That is how we get market access to Developed world...

Me saw some bodo's skinning Bangladeshis alive.Was not able to sleep for three days after that..They told me they will skin me alive if I interfere,sure you guys get five star treatment in assam Another time during riots I saw those illegal immigrants fleeing with Bodo militants hounding them across the border.That was a great catch for me that day

 

[leonblack08]

Although Manekshaw was a bit flamboyant, perhaps more than his position would warrant, his comments, although a bit uncharitable wasn't entirely false. He was talking of the ordinary citizens of BD who were trained in BSF camps.

Roughly about 15,000 EPR members, the entire Bengali contingent, had defected. About 3,000 of them could be disarmed, while the remaining defected with their arms. The Bengalis in the police force had also defected. They formed the core of Mukti Bahini, and the initial batches of trainees. Later on, they in turn, became the trainers. But they didn't make the entire contingent of Mukti Bahinis. From May onwards ordinary youths far exceeded the defected ones.

The training commenced according to the educational qualifications. The graduates, were given specialised training in sabotage and guerilla tactics, and some of them were even taken to IMF to be trained as officers. People with science backgrounds were trained in electronics, radar/radio operations, explosives etc. Some were even taken to Cochin and Veranasi to be trained as frogmen. They later played valuable role in sabotaging the Pak ships and blowing up key bridges. The under grads or even those without much education were given the usual non-specialised training.

An image of such ragtag team was published in Life (10.12.71),

From June onwards, these people would be pushed into East Pakistan to undertake guerilla type attacks, under the cover of heavy artillery fire. Most of the time they would fail to hold their positions and almost always PA would regain their position. It was in this context that Manekshaw made these comments.

There is no need to be confused.

Thanks for clearing the context Toxic.In this context it is justified.

These people were farmers,students and labours.What more can one expect from them.But yet they took up arms and fought.How many people can do that?Not us,armchair generals.