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Ukraine's "Bayraktar" compared to Russia's new Iran-supplied drones

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if somebody can add peykan engine to a mockup , then its possible to add a mini turbojet to a mockup

what a silly post from you .... jealousy and ignorance


its not mini turbojet engine

its AI-25TLT (16,5 kN) turbofan engine
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and We are considering 3 variants for now


1x AI-25TLT (16,5 kN) KIZILELMA subsonic variant
1x AI-322F (41 kN) KIZILELMA supersonic variant
2x AI-322F (41 kN + 41 kN ) : 82 kN KIZILELMA twin engined ssupersonic variant

AI-322F turbofan engine for supersonic speed of mach 1.4-1,6

41.2 kN ( 9,262.13 lbf ) afterburning
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everybody will see maiden flight in the first quarter of 2023
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you think that engine is an actual full powered engin , when i look at it i see minijets like Tolue-4


KIZILELMA prototype use Ukranian AI-25TLT (16,5 kN) turbofan engine for subsonic speed mach 0,6-0,9

Block-II variant will use Ukranian AI-322F (41 kN) turbofan engine for supersonic speed mach 1,4-1,6

everybody knows about it ....


but KIZILELMA designed to use indigenous TEI-TF-6000 turbofan engine in future

-- AI-25TLT (16,5 kN) turbofan engine : diameter 611 mm

-- AI-322F (41 kN) turbofan engine : diameter 624 mm

-- TEI TF-6000 turbofan engine : diameter 860 mm


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KIZILELMA prototype use Ukranian AI-25TLT (16,5 kN) turbofan engine for subsonic speed mach 0,6-0,9

Block-II variant will use Ukranian AI-322F (41 kN) turbofan engine for supersonic speed mach 1,4-1,6

everybody knows about it ....


but KIZILELMA designed to use indigenous TEI-TF-6000 turbofan engine in future

-- AI-25TLT (16,5 kN) turbofan engine : diameter 611 mm

-- AI-322F (41 kN) turbofan engine : diameter 624 mm

-- TEI TF-6000 turbofan engine : diameter 860 mm


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later, future, going to produce like the rest of your posts.
see you not in 2023 but in 2024
 
later, future, going to produce like the rest of your posts.
see you not in 2023 but in 2024

jealous silly sht dont waste my time

I told you real info , still wth are you trolling ?


KIZILELMA maden flight in the first quarter of 2023
and it is not mock up , but real prototype
and AI-25TLT (16,5 kN) turbofan engine is not mini turbojet engine


go and dream about İranian fake QAHER-313
 
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In its first use in Ukraine, the Iranian drone blew up a U.S.-supplied M777 howitzer used by the Ukrainian military, Col. Rodion Kulagin, commander of artillery operations in the Kharkiv counteroffensive, said in an interview.

“It blew the triple-seven in half,” Kulagin said. “Instead of firing 100 artillery shells, it’s easier to release one of these drones” to seek a target, he added.

Half a dozen strikes destroyed howitzers and armored vehicles, killing four soldiers and wounded 16, he said. Russia’s use of Iranian drones was reported earlier by The Wall Street Journal.

The appearance of the drones — even amid Ukraine’s otherwise successful and ongoing counteroffensive in the northeast — prompted Kulagin to appeal to Ukraine’s Western allies to quickly provide defenses or a similar weapon to strike back.

“Give us something like this,” Kulagin said.

Drones have played a crucial role in the conflict already. The United States has supplied Ukraine with its Switchblade drones, and an attack on Russia’s Black Sea Fleet headquarters involved a drone. Ukraine has also deployed Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 drones firing guided missiles.

The Shahed-136 is a delta-wing drone launched from the back of a flatbed truck. Kulagin said he was not aware of any intelligence documenting the presence of the launcher or drones on the Russian side of the front. But remnants of a drone that crashed near the town of Kupyansk, apparently after malfunctioning, proved the weapon is in use, he said.

The weapon drops out of the sky without warning, according to Kulagin and a Ukrainian artillery officer who witnessed one of the strikes. It is accurate enough to hit a self-propelled howitzer in a spot near the turret where gunpowder is stored, setting off secondary explosions, Kulagin said.

In such strikes nothing remains of the drone after detonation, he said. But witness accounts and the nature of the explosions, which were distinct from the damage caused by artillery fire, made the Ukrainian military confident in its assessment that the drones had been successfully deployed.

Debris from the crashed drone indicated that the Russian military had removed its Iranian markings. The drone was mislabeled on a winglet as a Geran-2 Russian-made drone, Kulagin said.

“It’s a very serious problem,” he said. Without countermeasures, he added, “they will destroy all our artillery.”

It is unclear how many Iranian attack drones Russia has acquired. American national security adviser Jake Sullivan said in July that Russia intended to buy several hundred Iranian drones of various types.

The Shahed-136 drones have so far only been deployed in northeastern Ukraine, Kulagin said. The first successful attack, on the M777 howitzer, was near the town of Chuguyev in August, before the counteroffensive began. The other strikes occurred in the past week or so, he said.

“They are testing them and have concentrated them in this region,” Kulagin said.

Capt. Volodymyr Danchenko, an artillery officer whom the Ukrainian military made available for a telephone interview, said he witnessed a strike on a self-propelled howitzer — a tracked, armored vehicle that parks briefly to fire artillery before moving to avoid counterattacks.

The drone streaked in and obliterated the howitzer, he said.

“It was not like artillery that hit us before,” he said. “I haven’t met something like this before.”
 
its AI-25TLT (16,5 kN) turbofan engine
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and We are considering 3 variants for now


1x AI-25TLT (16,5 kN) KIZILELMA subsonic variant
1x AI-322F (41 kN) KIZILELMA supersonic variant
2x AI-322F (41 kN + 41 kN ) : 82 kN KIZILELMA twin engined ssupersonic variant
are you aware that photo that you post is Ivichenko AI-25, a 1966 engine designed by Russia not the Ukrainian Al-25TLT
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and intrestingly about AI-322F

wonder after these boxing match with russia when Ukraine can deliver your engunes
 
are you aware that photo that you post is Ivichenko AI-25, a 1966 engine designed by Russia not the Ukrainian Al-25TLT

Not Russia , but Soviet Union
AI-25 Engine has been devdoped by Ukraine based Ivchenko-Progress

The Engine still produce by Ukrainian based aircraft engine manufacturing company Ivchenko-Progress - Motor Sich

AI-322F Turbofan Engine Supply Agreement and AI-25TLT Turbofan Engine Integration Agreement were signed between Baykar ( Turkiye ) and Ivchenko Progress ( Ukraine )


Turkiye buys engines from Ukraine
and according to BAYKAR , Ukraine has already delivered a large number of engines to Turkiye and Ukraine is continuing to supply engines for the Bayraktar KIZILELMA

no any problem with supply
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AI-322F (41 kN) turbofan Engine to power the KIZILELMA block-II for supersonic speed of mach 1,4-1,6
 
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Turkish defense industry hits a snag on engines, transmissions to power domestically produced aircraft and tanks​


Sanctions and export restrictions imposed on Turkey’s ambitious defense industry have taken a toll on the development of sophisticated military hardware, which suffers from the lack of domestically produced components, in particular critical engines and transmission systems.

In a recent interview with a Turkish TV station on September 4, İsmail Demir, head of the Presidency of the Defense Industry (Savunma Sanayii Baskanligi, SSB), Turkey’s top defense procurement agency, admitted that the agency has faced challenges in developing power packs including engines and transmissions for various defense projects.

It’s not only the parts but also a shortage of qualified engineers that is hindering progress, he stated.

“The engine issue is a known [problem]. As for trained personnel and expertise, we also don’t have extensive experience. There are a limited number of experts [in Turkey],” said Demir, who was sanctioned by the US over Turkey’s purchase of the Russian S-400 long-range missile system.

Turkey has a number of national aircraft and tank projects, but they suffered a setback because of the difficulty in finding engines and transmission systems to power this equipment. The government of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has invested heavily in manufacturing engines domestically, with limited success thus far in the testing and integration stages.

The country’s national fighter jet the TF-X lacks a domestically developed turbofan engine, and the SSB is hoping to get the help of British engine maker Rolls Royce, which has a joint venture with Turkish company Kale under the name of TAEC. Although Turkey experienced problems with the supply of engines from Rolls Royce in the past, and TAEC’s earlier experiments in launching engine production had failed, the Erdoğan government hopes a new initiative will prompt TAEC to respond to a new tender for engine production that was announced by the SSB in July.

Demir said Turkey’s ultimate goal is to rely completely on domestically produced power systems and that Tusaş Engine Industries (TUSAŞ Motor Sanayii A.Ş., TEI) and TRMotor, two engine makers, are working to realize that goal. The main contractor in developing a national fighter jet is Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), a state-owned enterprise.

President Erdoğan often boasts about Turkey having its first national combat jet in the air during election campaigns and slams the United States, a NATO ally, for failing to deliver the fighter jets that Turkey has been requesting for some time.

Another defense project, the development of a utility helicopter called Gökbey, also hit a snag over problems in developing a domestically produced engine. The prototypes were powered by a pair of LHTECs and CTS800 4-AT turboshaft engines that were manufactured by a joint venture between Rolls-Royce and Honeywell.

TEI has been working on developing an indigenous engine and finally manufactured one called the TS1400, but the testing and integration phases have not yet been completed. In other words, Gökbey still does not have a Turkish engine to power it, and it’s unclear when it will.

That also means more problems and delays in supplying domestic engines for the Atak combat helicopters Turkey produces since the turbo engine for this type of chopper requires further capabilities and reliability in all weather conditions. For the time being, it uses the same imported engines as the Gökbey.

Nordic Monitor


Turkish defense industry hits a snag on engines, transmissions to power domestically produced aircraft and tanks​

by Abdullah Bozkurt
September 19, 2022

Turkish defense industry hits a snag on engines, transmissions to power domestically produced aircraft and tanks
T700-TEI-701D engine developed by Turkey's TEI.



Abdullah Bozkurt/Stockholm

Sanctions and export restrictions imposed on Turkey’s ambitious defense industry have taken a toll on the development of sophisticated military hardware, which suffers from the lack of domestically produced components, in particular critical engines and transmission systems.
In a recent interview with a Turkish TV station on September 4, İsmail Demir, head of the Presidency of the Defense Industry (Savunma Sanayii Baskanligi, SSB), Turkey’s top defense procurement agency, admitted that the agency has faced challenges in developing power packs including engines and transmissions for various defense projects.
It’s not only the parts but also a shortage of qualified engineers that is hindering progress, he stated.
“The engine issue is a known [problem]. As for trained personnel and expertise, we also don’t have extensive experience. There are a limited number of experts [in Turkey],” said Demir, who was sanctioned by the US over Turkey’s purchase of the Russian S-400 long-range missile system.
Turkey has a number of national aircraft and tank projects, but they suffered a setback because of the difficulty in finding engines and transmission systems to power this equipment. The government of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has invested heavily in manufacturing engines domestically, with limited success thus far in the testing and integration stages.
The country’s national fighter jet the TF-X lacks a domestically developed turbofan engine, and the SSB is hoping to get the help of British engine maker Rolls Royce, which has a joint venture with Turkish company Kale under the name of TAEC. Although Turkey experienced problems with the supply of engines from Rolls Royce in the past, and TAEC’s earlier experiments in launching engine production had failed, the Erdoğan government hopes a new initiative will prompt TAEC to respond to a new tender for engine production that was announced by the SSB in July.
Demir said Turkey’s ultimate goal is to rely completely on domestically produced power systems and that Tusaş Engine Industries (TUSAŞ Motor Sanayii A.Ş., TEI) and TRMotor, two engine makers, are working to realize that goal. The main contractor in developing a national fighter jet is Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), a state-owned enterprise.

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Turkey’s first indigenous turbofan engine, TEI-TF6000.
President Erdoğan often boasts about Turkey having its first national combat jet in the air during election campaigns and slams the United States, a NATO ally, for failing to deliver the fighter jets that Turkey has been requesting for some time.
Another defense project, the development of a utility helicopter called Gökbey, also hit a snag over problems in developing a domestically produced engine. The prototypes were powered by a pair of LHTECs and CTS800 4-AT turboshaft engines that were manufactured by a joint venture between Rolls-Royce and Honeywell.
TEI has been working on developing an indigenous engine and finally manufactured one called the TS1400, but the testing and integration phases have not yet been completed. In other words, Gökbey still does not have a Turkish engine to power it, and it’s unclear when it will.
That also means more problems and delays in supplying domestic engines for the Atak combat helicopters Turkey produces since the turbo engine for this type of chopper requires further capabilities and reliability in all weather conditions. For the time being, it uses the same imported engines as the Gökbey.

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İsmail Demir, head of the Presidency of the Defense Industry, said in an interview with a local TV station in December 2021 that his agency has been working on undisclosed projects for some time on long-range missiles.
Tank power units are another problem that the Turkish defense industry faces. After failing to manufacture engines and transmission systems for Turkey’s indigenously developed battle tank Altay, main contractor BMC, which has a contract with the SSB to supply 250 Altay tanks to the Turkish army, turned to South Korea to power the Altay. The first power unit arrived in March of this year and was integrated into the tank in May.
But Demir expressed skepticism about this power pack, saying the transmission is actually manufactured in Germany and that the South Koreans also failed to manufacture a completely indigenous power unit to run their own national tanks. He said Turkey cannot rely on foreign partners and would eventually finalize its project of producing both the engine and the transmission system domestically.
The Erdoğan government’s array of problems with the West, especially with the US, has grown in recent years since Turkey has developed closer ties with Russia, China and Iran and has undermined Western sanctions on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine. Anti-Western diatribes and anti-NATO remarks have become routine for Turkish officials, negatively impacting Turks’ perception of the West.

In December 2020 the US sanctioned the SSB and its senior officials over the purchase of S-400 long-range missiles, a deal worth $2.5 billion, from Rosoboronexport (ROE), Russia’s main arms exporter. The US stated that Turkey willfully engaged in a significant transaction with Russia and therefore was subject to sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).

As part of the sanctions, the US designated Demir and three other SSB officials: Faruk Yiğit, SSB’s vice president; Serhat Gençoglu, head of the SSB’s Department of Air Defense and Space; and Mustafa Alper Deniz, program manager for the SSB’s Regional Air Defense Systems Directorate. Turkey had previously been removed from the global F-35 Joint Strike Fighter consortium in which the Erdoğan government had invested $1.4 billion and expected to generate $11 billion in export revenue.

The sanctions on the SSB prohibit granting loans, credits and US export licenses and authorizations for any goods or technology transferred to the Turkish entity as well as loans or credits from US financial institutions totaling more than $10 million in any 12-month period. The US government would also oppose any third-party engagement with the SSB and try to block any loan that is likely to be extended to the SSB by international financial institutions.

The US started implementing sanctions on the SSB in April 2021, while President Erdoğan and SSB president Demir brushed them off, claiming that the restrictions would motivate the Turkish military and defense industry to produce more domestic arms and defense materiel and export more equipment worldwide.

Several other NATO allies such as Canada and Germany have also applied restrictions and in some cases sanctions on the export of defense products to Turkey.

https://nordicmonitor.com/2022/09/t...nsmissions-to-power-national-aircrafts-tanks/
 

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i have serrious problem in the photo of mohajer-6 it carry 4 pgm and they still call it a reconnaissance UAV , to me it more look like a reconnaissance and attack UAV
 

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LOL funny title
 
Turkiye is not copycat China

its KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet .....




Turkiye never interested in Chinese J10 which is inferior to F-16
Turkiye will buy more F-16s or alternative options Eurofighter or SU-35

keep posting stupid youtube channels ... little ching chong
as a backward agricultural country. There is no shame in Turkey buying fighter jets from advanced countries. You should be honest with it.

Turkey considers Russian Su-57, Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s - Yeni Şafak

 
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