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Well @Saif al-Arab has a proclivity or fondness for bringing in Sri Lankans, Banglas and India when talking about Pakistan. He of course overlooks that the Arabian peninsula actually is splintered from Africa by the Red Sea. Many Arabs are indifferant from Eritreans, Sudanese, Somalis etc. These places are in some instances less than 100 miles distant and have a profound impact on Arabian peninsular populations.

And I despise his oil fuelled arrogance. Yesterdays half naked camel riders making cheap of our poor people. Here have a look at a intro on KSA. And his on PDF and has the galls to call me "obsessed" with Arabs ... tsk tsk !

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudia-arabia-before-the-oil.470471/
 
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Well @Saif al-Arab has a proclivity or fondness for bringing in Sri Lankans, Banglas and India when talking about Pakistan. He of course overlooks that the Arabian peninsula actually is splintered from Africa by the Red Sea. Many Arabs are indifferant from Eritreans, Sudanese, Somalis etc. These places are in some instances less than 100 miles distant and have a profound impact on Arabian peninsular populations.

And I despise his oil fuelled arrogance. Yesterdays half naked camel riders making cheap of our poor people. Here have a look at a intro on KSA. And his on PDF and has the galls to call me "obsessed" with Arabs ... tsk tsk !

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudia-arabia-before-the-oil.470471/
lol the gulf arabs just have oil.

If you want history and culture people usually go to Pakistan to learn about history.

The history of Pakistan is immense dating back to the ancient Indus River civilization.
 
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Depends if your into the Bradford taste, personally saying i'm not really into the accent and most youth's chaviness...



The Pakistani girls in Bradford are gorgeous. Their accent is cute too. Been there a few times.
 
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Well @Saif al-Arab has a proclivity or fondness for bringing in Sri Lankans, Banglas and India when talking about Pakistan. He of course overlooks that the Arabian peninsula actually is splintered from Africa by the Red Sea. Many Arabs are indifferant from Eritreans, Sudanese, Somalis etc. These places are in some instances less than 100 miles distant and have a profound impact on Arabian peninsular populations.

And I despise his oil fuelled arrogance. Yesterdays half naked camel riders making cheap of our poor people. Here have a look at a intro on KSA. And his on PDF and has the galls to call me "obsessed" with Arabs ... tsk tsk !

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saudia-arabia-before-the-oil.470471/

Not a bigger fondness than you bringing up Afro-Arabs who make up 1-2% of the 500 million big Arab population, which you did just again.

Yes, the Arabian Peninsula is close to/bordering Asia, Europe (Eurasian continent which it itself is a part of) and indeed Africa. As is all of Southern Europe, you know. Some places even much closer. However there is an entire sea that divides the Arabian Peninsula from Africa (North Africa and Horn of Africa - which ironically is inhabited by Caucasian people as categorized by racialists and people who have genetic ties to the Middle East/Near East and who speak Afro-Asiatic languages). You might google how an average Habesha women looks like from Ethiopia/Eritrea and how an Nigerian woman looks like and tell me if they are similarly looking. In fact people living there have a bigger facial resemblance to Caucasians than many people in your immediate proximity as per what I have seen. Not that there is anything wrong with that. For instance I have a weakness for Habesha women so I am a happy man.

However I have to disappoint you by stating a fact which is that there was never or is not a profound genetic impact.

Results
The Saudi Arabian group showed greatest similarity to other Arabian Peninsula populations (Bedouin from the Negev desert and Yemeni) and to Levantine populations. Nearly all the main western Asia haplogroups were detected in the Saudi sample, including the rare U9 clade. Saudi Arabs had only a minority sub-Saharan Africa component (7%), similar to the specific North-African contribution (5%). In addition, a small Indian influence (3%) was also detected.

Conclusion
The majority of the Saudi-Arab mitochondrial DNA lineages (85%) have a western Asia provenance. Although the still large confidence intervals, the coalescence and phylogeography of (preHV)1 haplogroup (accounting for 18 % of Saudi Arabian lineages) matches a Neolithic expansion in Saudi Arabia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1810519/



Those 7% Sub-Saharan matches (perfectly) the Afro-Arab community (5-10%). The 3% South Asia perfectly matches settlements from South Asia (mainly due to Hajj and Umrah for the past 1400 years) and pre-Islamic contacts that predate the IVC.

As for your thread which was dismissed (and most of those photos being black and white and not even from KSA), those are isolated Afro-Arab communities in the Rub' al Khali.

In fact Saudi Arabians and Arabians as a whole score one of the highest West Asian admixtures (basically Middle Eastern and Near Eastern) in the world.


Here is something else for you (DNA - the real deal):

Some results from your average Arabs (much larger samples too)

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/arabworlddnaproject/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/arabworlddnaproject/default.aspx?section=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/arab-tribes/about/background

Saudi Arabians:

Paleoafrican: 0% South Asian: 0% West Asian: 27,9% Southeast Asian: 0% Sub-Saharan: 0% Atlantic-Baltic: 0% Red Sea: 34,6% (itself West Asian) East Asian: 0% Mediterranean: 37.5% Siberian: 0%

Egyptians:


Paleoafrican: 0,6% South Asian: 0% West Asian: 24,4% Southeast Asian: 0,2% Sub-Saharan: 12,2% Atlantic-Baltic: 1% Red Sea: 24% East Asian: 0% Mediterranean: 37.5% Siberian: 0%

Source:


Write https:// and afterwards docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q1LKZqeQRS28WjwyAQPs5I7QBUWv3Q3mF9bVpJp6eX0/edit#gid=0 (DNA results from 100 + populations across the world, including Pakistan)

Let's see what racist Europeans wrote at the height of Nazis and before and even after:

The Arabid race[1] (also Oriental race[2] or Syrid race) is a historical term for a morphological subtype of the Caucasoid race, as used in physical anthropology.

The Arabid race was thought to have originated in the Arabian Peninsula, and it is currently predominant there as well. It is a major element in the Levant region of the Middle East, and a minor element in other parts of Western Asia.[3]

Physical appearance

The Arabid race was distinguished from the West-Mediterranean race by some minor characteristic facial traits. These include almond-shaped eyes, very dark hair color, the Semitic smile (conditioned by unusually deep Fossa canina), untanned skin color tending to a pale olive, and often but not always a narrow or a broad aquiline nose.

This physical type had in earlier times a broader-formed Syrid subtype, which was found among the farmers of the Fertile Crescent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabid_race

I am truly shocked by all this, DNA included, knowing the history, ancient population movements since the Neolithic era (that originated in our lands) and before, geography etc. I honestly thought that we would cluster with Zimbabwe, Mongolia and Sri Lanka.
 
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lol the gulf arabs just have oil.

If you want history and culture people usually go to Pakistan to learn about history.

The history of Pakistan is immense dating back to the ancient Indus River civilization.

Sure. pakistan barely gets a few thousand tourists/year. People are really seeking out pakistan for "history and culture".
 
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Sure. pakistan barely gets a few thousand tourists/year. People are really seeking out pakistan for "history and culture".
Nobody asked you "Indian."

Sure India might get more tourists than Pakistan, but to study ancient Indus river civilization one must go to Pakistan.
 
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Sure. pakistan barely gets a few thousand tourists/year. People are really seeking out pakistan for "history and culture".
.7 million or 700,000 isnt barely gets a few thousand tourists..

http://www.radio.gov.pk/27-Feb-2017...ed-thousand-foreign-tourists-visited-pakistan

Hope u will stop pulling numbers outa ur behind.

Are you implying that she is ugly or is this about your usual obsession about Arabs?



I personally think that she is doing OK but I don't believe that her appearance has any relevance here.

I wish Arabs looked like these South Asian people but alas we are so ugly. I am so jealous of Pakistanis.



Pakistan's Minister of Tourism Nilofar Bakhtiar.

Man, I am such a great troll although I struggle to compete with the over 3 times older (almost) rival. Silly me for even attempting that on his own home turf (PDF).
22 year old vs a 60 year old.:yahoo:
Nilofar Bakhtiyar is almost 60! Born 9 September 1957

nilofar-bakhtiyar.jpg
 
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Sure. pakistan barely gets a few thousand tourists/year. People are really seeking out pakistan for "history and culture"
Well it has. All the history that your people croak on about and even make movies on [hint Mohenjo Daro] are in Pakistan. I think you know the River Indus and it's attributes to history. You also know about Gandhara/Taxila/sirkap etc If you removed the history of our land India would see 90% knocked out of it's called history books. Yes of course because of the 9/11 and the subsequent troubles Pakistan is not exactly top on the tourist sites as Western tourist are at risk in Pakistan. Also the air in Pakistan is bland whereas in India it is rich in stink and smells of defecation which of course leaves a exotic flavour. Also our terrorists like killing Westerners whereas your terrorists like killing other indians [hint naxals].

And you being Sikh should know most of your heritage sites are in Pakistan. You [Sikhs] indeed are Indus people - no denying that unlike rest of your Ganga sista/bros and the even more distant Dravidians.

keep trolling him LOL its always funny when he pulls out a wall of text on the semitic heritage thing
Yanking on this "Semite" chain is akin to me pulling on the "Indo-European" family and clutching Greeks. Italians, Germans, British heritage as mine in some crazy broad strokes brushing.

1200px-Indo-European_branches_map.svg.png
 
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Yanking on this "Semite" chain is akin to me pulling on the "Indo-European" family and clutching Greeks. Italians, Germans, British heritage as mine in some crazy broad strokes brushing.

I believe that I have to step in once again to educate you while using undeniable facts and data.

No, Semitic languages and Semites would equal Iranian peoples and Iranic languages. Or Slavic people and Slavic languages. Afro-Asiatic languages and "peoples" (non-existent) would equal the Indo-European languages and the non-existent Indo-European "peoples" (as proven ages ago by something called DNA or which any sane person could conclude without even DNA evidence).

For instance the non-Indo-European speaking Arabs (as a whole) cluster more closely to neighboring Southern Europeans than Indo-European speaking Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans or Indo-European speaking Jamaicans who speak English. Similarly with the Turkic speaking Turks of Turkey and Caucasian speaking Chechens or Dagestanis (Caucasus).

Ancient Semites and their peoples, cultures, civilizations and langauges originate in a relatively small geographic region (Near East) and their Urheimat is considered to be the Arabian Peninsula and the borderlands of neighboring Sham and Mesopotamia.



The Arabian peninsula has long been accepted as the original Urheimat of the Semitic languages by a majority of scholars.[35][36][37][38]

  1. Gray, Louis Herbert (2006) Introduction to Semitic Comparative Linguistics
  2. Jump up ^ Courtenay, James John (2009) The Language of Palestine and Adjacent Regions
  3. Jump up ^ Kienast, Burkhart. (2001). Historische semitische Sprachwissenschaft.
  4. Jump up ^ Bromiley, Geoffrey W. (1995) The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula

There is also 1 billion times closer genetic, historical, geographical, physical, linguistic etc. ties between the areas of the Arab world/Middle East historically inhabited by Semitic peoples than the ties between a Pashtun like you and an Greek from Crete.

Unless you want to pretend that an Indo-European speaking Sri Lankan is closer to an Indo-European speaking Icelandic person than an Semitic speaking Jordanian and a Semitic speaking Saudi Arabian or Assyrian is with each other on all fronts.

Do you understand it now?

Lastly, I know that this will hurt you, but did you know that the average Near Eastern Arab (obviously this includes Saudi Arabians) cluster more with your Iranian (those actually living in Iran proper, not those in Tajikistan for instance) "brothers" genetically than Pashtuns do? As do the Caucasian speaking Georgians. Is that not extremely strange?



Sorry old man.

You started it but I have to finish it.

Cheers and thanks for ruining a possibly interesting thread with your usual Arab-obsession instead of congratulating this young ambitious lady that surely has already achieved more than you and with (hopefully) more yet to come.

BTW, I know that you want to trigger Arab users here to insult Pakistanis so you can cry "Arab racism" but you have to understand that we Arabs as a whole and the users that waste our time on a Pakistani forum don't have anything against Pakistan or Pakistanis. Rather the contrary. Strange, is it not if us Arab users that remain on PDF would want to waste our time on a Pakistani forum if we disliked Pakistan and Pakistanis? However there are bad apples among all people. You should know. I personally won't fall into that trap again and risk alienating Pakistani users here (including people that I respect a lot and have a good relationship with) just to answer a troll (in the context of Arabs) like you. Sorry, Ali.
 
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I believe that I have to step in once again to educate you while using undeniable facts and data.

No, Semitic languages and Semites would equal Iranian peoples and Iranic languages. Or Slavic people and Slavic languages. Afro-Asiatic languages and "peoples" (non-existent) would equal the Indo-European languages and the non-existent Indo-European "peoples" (as proven ages ago by something called DNA or which any sane person could conclude without even DNA evidence).

For instance the non-Indo-European speaking Arabs (as a whole) cluster more closely to neighboring Southern Europeans than Indo-European speaking Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans or Indo-European speaking Jamaicans who speak English. Similarly with the Turkic speaking Turks of Turkey and Caucasian speaking Chechens or Dagestanis (Caucasus).

Ancient Semites and their peoples, cultures, civilizations and langauges originate in a relatively small geographic region (Near East) and their Urheimat is considered to be the Arabian Peninsula and the borderlands of neighboring Sham and Mesopotamia.



The Arabian peninsula has long been accepted as the original Urheimat of the Semitic languages by a majority of scholars.[35][36][37][38]

  1. Gray, Louis Herbert (2006) Introduction to Semitic Comparative Linguistics
  2. Jump up ^ Courtenay, James John (2009) The Language of Palestine and Adjacent Regions
  3. Jump up ^ Kienast, Burkhart. (2001). Historische semitische Sprachwissenschaft.
  4. Jump up ^ Bromiley, Geoffrey W. (1995) The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula

There is also 1 billion times closer genetic, historical, geographical, physical, linguistic etc. ties between the areas of the Arab world/Middle East historically inhabited by Semitic peoples than the ties between a Pashtun like you and an Greek from Crete.

Unless you want to pretend that an Indo-European speaking Sri Lankan is closer to an Indo-European speaking Icelandic person than an Semitic speaking Jordanian and a Semitic speaking Saudi Arabian or Assyrian is with each other on all fronts.

Do you understand it now?

Lastly, I know that this will hurt you, but did you know that the average Near Eastern Arab (obviously this includes Saudi Arabians) cluster more with your Iranian (those actually living in Iran proper, not those in Tajikistan for instance) "brothers" genetically than Pashtuns do? As do the Caucasian speaking Georgians. Is that not extremely strange?



Sorry old man.

You started it but I have to finish it.

Cheers and thanks for ruining a possibly interesting thread with your usual Arab-obsession instead of congratulating this young ambitious lady that surely has already achieved more than you and with (hopefully) more yet to come.

BTW, I know that you want to trigger Arab users here to insult Pakistanis so you can cry "Arab racism" but you have to understand that we Arabs as a whole and the users that waste our time on a Pakistani forum don't have anything against Pakistan or Pakistanis. Rather the contrary. Strange, is it not if us Arab users that remain on PDF would want to waste our time on a Pakistani forum if we disliked Pakistan and Pakistanis? However there are bad apples among all people. You should know. I personally won't fall into that trap again.
I find ur posts funny... and trust me so would S.Europeans whom u cluster with lol.

I believe that I have to step in once again to educate you while using undeniable facts and data.

No, Semitic languages and Semites would equal Iranian peoples and Iranic languages. Or Slavic people and Slavic languages. Afro-Asiatic languages and "peoples" (non-existent) would equal the Indo-European languages and the non-existent Indo-European "peoples" (as proven ages ago by something called DNA or which any sane person could conclude without even DNA evidence).

For instance the non-Indo-European speaking Arabs (as a whole) cluster more closely to neighboring Southern Europeans than Indo-European speaking Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans or Indo-European speaking Jamaicans who speak English. Similarly with the Turkic speaking Turks of Turkey and Caucasian speaking Chechens or Dagestanis (Caucasus).

Ancient Semites and their peoples, cultures, civilizations and langauges originate in a relatively small geographic region (Near East) and their Urheimat is considered to be the Arabian Peninsula and the borderlands of neighboring Sham and Mesopotamia.



The Arabian peninsula has long been accepted as the original Urheimat of the Semitic languages by a majority of scholars.[35][36][37][38]

  1. Gray, Louis Herbert (2006) Introduction to Semitic Comparative Linguistics
  2. Jump up ^ Courtenay, James John (2009) The Language of Palestine and Adjacent Regions
  3. Jump up ^ Kienast, Burkhart. (2001). Historische semitische Sprachwissenschaft.
  4. Jump up ^ Bromiley, Geoffrey W. (1995) The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula

There is also 1 billion times closer genetic, historical, geographical, physical, linguistic etc. ties between the areas of the Arab world/Middle East historically inhabited by Semitic peoples than the ties between a Pashtun like you and an Greek from Crete.

Unless you want to pretend that an Indo-European speaking Sri Lankan is closer to an Indo-European speaking Icelandic person than an Semitic speaking Jordanian and a Semitic speaking Saudi Arabian or Assyrian is with each other on all fronts.

Do you understand it now?

Lastly, I know that this will hurt you, but did you know that the average Near Eastern Arab (obviously this includes Saudi Arabians) cluster more with your Iranian (those actually living in Iran proper, not those in Tajikistan for instance) "brothers" genetically than Pashtuns do? As do the Caucasian speaking Georgians. Is that not extremely strange?



Sorry old man.

You started it but I have to finish it.

Cheers and thanks for ruining a possibly interesting thread with your usual Arab-obsession instead of congratulating this young ambitious lady that surely has already achieved more than you and with (hopefully) more yet to come.

BTW, I know that you want to trigger Arab users here to insult Pakistanis so you can cry "Arab racism" but you have to understand that we Arabs as a whole and the users that waste our time on a Pakistani forum don't have anything against Pakistan or Pakistanis. Rather the contrary. Strange, is it not if us Arab users that remain on PDF would want to waste our time on a Pakistani forum if we disliked Pakistan and Pakistanis? However there are bad apples among all people. You should know. I personally won't fall into that trap again and risk alienating Pakistani users here (including people that I respect a lot and have a good relationship with) just to answer a troll (in the context of Arabs) like you. Sorry, Ali.
And as for racism... sire. what do u have that can even make you racist ? oil..lol
 
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Well it has. All the history that your people croak on about and even make movies on [hint Mohenjo Daro] are in Pakistan. I think you know the River Indus and it's attributes to history. You also know about Gandhara/Taxila/sirkap etc If you removed the history of our land India would see 90% knocked out of it's called history books. Yes of course because of the 9/11 and the subsequent troubles Pakistan is not exactly top on the tourist sites as Western tourist are at risk in Pakistan. Also the air in Pakistan is bland whereas in India it is rich in stink and smells of defecation which of course leaves a exotic flavour. Also our terrorists like killing Westerners whereas your terrorists like killing other indians [hint naxals].

And you being Sikh should know most of your heritage sites are in Pakistan. You [Sikhs] indeed are Indus people - no denying that unlike rest of your Ganga sista/bros and the even more distant Dravidians.

Yanking on this "Semite" chain is akin to me pulling on the "Indo-European" family and clutching Greeks. Italians, Germans, British heritage as mine in some crazy broad strokes brushing.

1200px-Indo-European_branches_map.svg.png
KSA in 60s-70s during oil boom

https://www.aramcoexpats.com/photos/glimpse-of-the-past/
 
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