UAE-Iran Islands Deal Would Face Major Obstacles

[al-Hasani]

@Parthianshot

Of course. Since attested history and long before you people at least. I mean the real Iranians not the ones who were culturally conquered by them which is the vast majority of Iranians. Most of you are pre-Iranic people that just were culturally absorbed by the Persian invaders. Hence the reason for Haplogroup J being the biggest haplogroup in Iran. A haplogroup that is the most common haplogroup in the nearby Arab world and the ME. But more or less absent in Central Asia, Afghanistan etc. Strange is it not?

Genetic evidence does proof what I am telling and what is well-knonw among historians, geneticistsand that's all that matters. Aside from historical, cultural, linguistic, ancestral etc. relations.

Arabs by large look similar so that is complete nonsense. I could fit in every Arab country and I have always been taken for an local in every Arab country I have been to. Besides not every Arab looks the same. People inside KSA differ from each other. Yemen etc. So of course there will be differences in such large geographical distances. But by large we are of the same stock which predates the words Islam, Arabs etc. by many thousands years.

Also Iranians themselves are the most mixed people in the ME and differ a lot in looks. So what are you talking about?
We are all mixed. Your point again?

Pashtuns are an Iranian people. Although mixed with Turks and others. So nothing wrong with calling them Iranic people.

Nonsense. The only problems we have are Jewish-Arab and that is only based on politics not racial hatred since Jews and Arabs lived peacefully for decades.

You don't strike me as a individual well-versed in history nor genetics so I am not surprised by your comments. But they are not correct.

I don't really know where you read history. The first attested PROOF of Persian (Iranians) moving into the Iranian Plateau is 3000 year old. Or just Persians at all.
It was the Semitic Assyrians who described them first 2800 years ago. This is the first attested proof of Iranian presence in what is now Iran.

Iranian people did not even exist 7000 years ago.

Stop smoking Afghani hashish my friend.

 

[haman10]

back to u calling egyptions a-rabs

@al-Hasani

i'm really enjoying this !

 

[haman10]

I stick to history, FACTS, genetics (THEY NEVER LIE) as I already provided in this thread and then you can stick to some 13 year old Coptic child's rant on the internet. What a idiot!

oh boy :
Are Egyptians Africans or Arabs? - Daily News Egypt

Specific current-day controversies
Since the 1970s, the issues regarding the race of the ancient Egyptians have been "troubled waters which most people who write (in the United States) about ancient Egypt from within the mainstream of scholarship avoid."[31] The debate, therefore, takes place mainly in the public sphere and tends to focus on a small number of specific issues.

Tutankhamun
Several Afrocentric scholars, including Diop, have claimed that Tutankhamun was black, and have protested that attempted reconstructions of Tutankhamun's facial features (as depicted on the cover of National Geographic Magazine) have represented the king as "too white". Among these writers was Chancellor Williams, who argued that King Tut, his parents, and grandparents were black.[32]

Forensic artists and physical anthropologists from Egypt, France, and the United States independently created busts of Tutankhamun, using a CT-scan of the skull. Biological anthropologist Susan Anton, the leader of the American team, said the race of the skull was "hard to call." She stated that the shape of the cranial cavity indicated an African, while the nose opening suggested narrow nostrils, which is usually considered to be a European characteristic. The skull was thus concluded to be that of a North African.[33] Other experts have argued that neither skull shapes nor nasal openings are a reliable indication of race.[34]

Although modern technology can reconstruct Tutankhamun's facial structure with a high degree of accuracy, based on CT data from his mummy,[35][36] determining his skin tone and eye color is impossible. The clay model was therefore given a flesh coloring which, according to the artist, was based on an "average shade of modern Egyptians."[37]

Terry Garcia, National Geographic's executive vice president for mission programs, said, in response to some of those protesting against the Tutankhamun reconstruction: "The big variable is skin tone. North Africans, we know today, had a range of skin tones, from light to dark. In this case, we selected a medium skin tone, and we say, quite up front, 'This is midrange.' We will never know for sure what his exact skin tone was or the color of his eyes with 100% certainty. ... Maybe in the future, people will come to a different conclusion."[38]

When pressed on the issue by American activists in September 2007, the current Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Dr. Zahi Hawass stated that "Tutankhamun was not black."[39]

Ahmed Saleh, the former archaeological inspector for the Supreme Council of antiquities stated that the procedures used in the facial re-creation made Tut look Caucasian, "disrespecting the nation's African roots."[40]

In a November 2007 publication of Ancient Egypt Magazine, Hawass asserted that none of the facial reconstructions resemble Tut and that, in his opinion, the most accurate representation of the boy king is the mask from his tomb.[41] The Discovery Channel commissioned a facial reconstruction of Tutankhamun, based on CT scans of a model of his skull, back in 2002.[42][43]

One scientific examination of the remains of Tutankhamun have revealed that the boy king was: 1) significantly dolichocephalic, or long-headed; 2) had enlarged incisors; and 3) had a pronouncedalveolar prognathism, resulting in an overbite and a concomitant receding chin,[citation needed] which some people in the fields of forensic criminology and forensic anthropology still believe indicates a Negroid person.[44] Between September 2007 and October 2009, the detailed studies of the King Tutankhamun Family Project determined that Tutankhamun actually has a cephalic index of 83.9, indicating brachycephaly.[45] However various experts have pointed out that skull shapes etc. are not actually a reliable indication of ancestry.[46]

Cleopatra VII
Further information: Cleopatra VII
The race and skin color of Cleopatra, the last pharaoh following the Greek invasion of Egypt in 300 BCE, has also caused frequent debate, as described in an article from The Baltimore Sun.[47]There is also an article entitled: Was Cleopatra Black? from Ebony magazine,[48] and an article about Afrocentrism from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that mentions the question, too.[49]Scholars[who?] generally suggest a Caucasian skin color for Cleopatra, based on the following facts: her Greek Macedonian family had intermingled with the Persian aristocracy of the time; her mother's identity is uncertain,[50] and that of her paternal grandmother is not known for certain.[51]

The question was the subject of a heated exchange between Mary Lefkowitz, who has referred in her articles to a debate she had with one of her students about the question of whether Cleopatra was black, and Molefi Kete Asante, Professor of African American Studies at Temple University. In response to Not Out of Africa by Lefkowitz, Asante wrote an article entitled Race in Antiquity: Truly Out of Africa, in which he emphasized that he "can say without a doubt that Afrocentrists do not spend time arguing that either Socrates or Cleopatra were black."[52]

In 2009, a BBC documentary speculated that Arsinoe IV, the half-sister of Cleopatra VII, may have been part African and then further speculated that Cleopatra’s mother, thus Cleopatra herself, might also have been part African. This was based largely on the claims of Hilke Thür of the Austrian Academy of Sciences, who in the 1990s had examined a headless skeleton of a female child in a 20 BC tomb in Ephesus (modern Turkey), together with the old notes and photographs of the now-missing skull.[53][54] Arsinoe IV and Cleopatra VII, shared the same father (Ptolemy XII Auletes) but had different mothers.[55]

Great Sphinx of Giza
The identity of the model for the Great Sphinx of Giza is unknown.[56] Virtually all Egyptologists and scholars currently believe that the face of the Sphinx represents the likeness of the PharaohKhafra, although a few Egyptologists and interested amateurs have proposed several different hypotheses.

Numerous scholars, such as DuBois,[57][58][59] Diop, Asante,[60] and Volney,[61] have characterized the face of the Sphinx as Black, or "Negroid." Around 1785 Volney stated, "When I visited the sphinx...on seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered...Herodotus says: "...the Egyptians...are black with woolly hair"..."[62] Another early description of a "Negroid" Sphinx is recorded in the travel notes of a French scholar, who visited in Egypt between 1783 and 1785, Constantin-François Chassebœuf[63] along with French novelist Gustave Flaubert.[64]

American geologist Robert M. Schoch has written that the "Sphinx has a distinctive African, Nubian, or Negroid aspect which is lacking in the face of Khafre."[65]

Kemet
km in Egyptian hieroglyphs
km biliteralkmt (place)kmt (people)

Main article: Km (hieroglyph)
Ancient Egyptians referred to their homeland as Kmt (conventionally pronounced as Kemet). According to Cheikh Anta Diop, the Egyptians referred to themselves as "Black" people or kmt, and km was the etymological root of other words, such as Kam or Ham, which refer to Black people in Hebrew tradition.[66][67] A review of David Goldenberg's The Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in Early Judaism, Christianity and Islam states that Goldenberg "argues persuasively that the biblical name Ham bears no relationship at all to the notion of blackness and as of now is of unknown etymology." [68] Diop,[69] William Leo Hansberry,[69] and Aboubacry Moussa Lam[70] have argued that kmt was derived from the skin color of the Nile valley people, which Diop et al. claim was black.[71][72] The claim that the Ancient Egyptians had black skin has become a cornerstone of Afrocentric historiography,[69] but it is rejected by some Egyptologists.[73]

Mainstream scholars hold that kmt means "the black land" or "the black place", and that this is a reference to the fertile black soil which was washed down from Central Africa by the annual Nileinundation. By contrast the barren desert outside the narrow confines of the Nile watercourse was called dšrt (conventionally pronounced deshret) or "the red land".[69][74] Raymond Faulkner'sConcise Dictionary of Middle Egyptian translates kmt into "Egyptians",[75] Gardiner translates it as "the Black Land, Egypt".[76]

At the UNESCO Symposium in 1974, Professors Sauneron, Obenga, and Diop concluded that KMT and KM meant black.[77] However, Professor Sauneron clarified that the adjective Kmtywmeans "people of the black land" rather than "black people", and that the Egyptians never used the adjective Kmtyw to refer to the various black peoples they knew of, they only used it to refer to themselves.[78]

Ancient Egyptian art
Ancient Egyptian tombs and temples contained thousands of paintings, sculptures, and written works, which reveal a great deal about the people of that time. However, their depictions of themselves in their surviving art and artifacts are rendered in sometimes symbolic, rather than realistic, pigments. As a result, ancient Egyptian artifacts provide sometimes conflicting and inconclusive evidence of the ethnicity of the people who lived in Egypt during dynastic times.[79][80][81]

In 1839, Champollion states in his work "Egypte Ancienne" that the Egyptians and Nubians are represented in the same manner in tomb paintings and reliefs. University of Chicago scholars assert that Nubians are generally depicted with black paint, but the skin pigment used in Egyptian paintings to refer to Nubians can range "from dark red to brown to black."[82] This can be observed in paintings from the tomb of the Egyptian Huy, as well as Ramses II's temple at Beit el-Wali.[83] Also, Snowden indicates that Romans had accurate knowledge of "negroes of a red, copper-colored complexion...among African tribes."[84] Conversely, Najovits states that "Egyptian art depicted Egyptians on the one hand and Nubians and other blacks on the other hand with distinctly different ethnic characteristics and depicted this abundantly and often aggressively. The Egyptians accurately, arrogantly and aggressively made national and ethnic distinctions from a very early date in their art and literature."[85] He continues that "There is an extraordinary abundance of Egyptian works of art which clearly depicted sharply contrasted reddish-brown Egyptians and black Nubians."[85]

However Manu Ampim, a professor at Merritt College specializing in African and African American history and culture, claims in the book Modern Fraud: The Forged Ancient Egyptian Statues of Ra-Hotep and Nofret, that many ancient Egyptian statues and artworks are modern frauds that have been created specifically to hide the "fact" that the ancient Egyptians were black, while authentic artworks which demonstrate black characteristics are systematically defaced or even "modified." Ampim repeatedly makes the accusation that the Egyptian authorities are systematically destroying evidence which "proves" that the ancient Egyptians were black, under the guise of renovating and conserving the applicable temples and structures. He further accuses "European" scholars of wittingly participating in and abetting this process.[86][87]

Ampim has a specific concern about the painting of the "Table of Nations" in the Tomb of Ramses III (KV11). The "Table of Nations" is a standard painting which appears in a number of tombs, and they were usually provided for the guidance of the soul of the deceased.[79][88] Among other things, it described the "four races of men," as follows: (translation by E.A. Wallis Budge:[88] "The first are RETH, the second are AAMU, the third are NEHESU, and the fourth are THEMEHU. The RETH are Egyptians, the AAMU are dwellers in the deserts to the east and north-east of Egypt, the NEHESU are the black races, and the THEMEHU are the fair-skinned Libyans."

The archaeologist Richard Lepsius documented many ancient Egyptian tomb paintings in his work Denkmäler aus Aegypten und Aethiopien. In 1913, after the death of Lepsius, an updated reprint of the work was produced, edited by Kurt Sethe. This printing included an additional section, called the "Ergänzungsband" in German, which incorporated many illustrations that did not appear in Lepsius’ original work. One of them, plate 48, illustrated one example of each of the four "nations" as depicted in KV11, and shows the "Egyptian nation" and the "Nubian nation" as identical to each other in skin color and dress. Professor Ampim has declared that plate 48 is a true reflection of the original painting, and that it "proves" that the ancient Egyptians were identical in appearance to the Nubians, even though he admits no other examples of the "Table of Nations" show this similarity. He has further accused "Euro-American writers" of attempting to mislead the public on this issue.[89]

The late Egyptologist, Dr. Frank Yurco, visited the tomb of Ramses III (KV11), and in a 1996 article on the Ramses III tomb reliefs he pointed out that the depiction of plate 48 in the Erganzungsband section is not a correct depiction of what is actually painted on the walls of the tomb. Yurco notes, instead, that plate 48 is a "pastiche" of samples of what is on the tomb walls, arranged from Lepsius' notes after his death, and that a picture of a Nubian person has erroneously been labeled in the pastiche as an Egyptian person. Yurco points also to the much-more-recent photographs of Dr. Erik Hornung as a correct depiction of the actual paintings.[90] (Erik Hornung, "The Valley of the Kings: Horizon of Eternity", 1990). Ampim nonetheless continues to claim that plate 48 shows accurately the images which stand on the walls of KV11, and he categorically accuses both Yurco and Hornung of perpetrating a deliberate deception for the purposes of misleading the public about the true race of the Ancient Egyptians.[89]

there was no a-rab back then stupid kid !!1

Ancient Egyptian race controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Egyptians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

can you say that Nigerians are english people because they speak english or Cameroonians are French because they speak french. scientifically, Egyptians spoke: Egyptian and Coptic Languages: from 697,993 B.C till the 17th Century=699,593 years. Arabic language: from 706 A.D to…=1,301 years.and ignorants who sayy wooow we are Arab republic .... well Egypt through its 7,000 or more years old wasn't named so until 1952.Arabs only ruled Egypt for 457 years, while Turks as an example 484 years, Romans: 656 years, .....etc and Egyptians for 697,504 years since Egyptians setteled in Egypt in the year 697,993 B.C approximately.All Anthropologists know quite well that Egyptians are Eastern Hamitics who are Native to North Africa and Egypt, who descend from the Hamitic ethnic group which descends from the Mediterranean ethnic family which descends from the Caucasian tree.Eastern Hamitics form now 91% of Egyptians who are the pharaohs if yo want to call them. while Arabs are Semitic people. Egyptians only became arabic speaking people, but they didn't lose their identity or genes or blood or heritage.here are some DNA, sceintific, anthropological and bioanthropological evidences for you, i'm sorry because i don't have soft copies for others:
Work has been going on at Cairo University Medical School to compare the DNA taken from the 4,500-year-old bones of workers found at pyramid sites to DNA taken from modern Egyptians. Preliminary results, says Dr. Tyldesley, said that the pyramid builders were the ancestors of modern Egyptians.Royal Ontario Museum: The ancient population of Egypt has never been extinguished nor replaced, but is in fact ancestral to most of the modern population of Egypt. Ancient Egyptians looked very much like modern Egyptians; the faces on the walls of tombs and temples can be matched by the faces to be seen on the streets of modern Cairo. Interestingly DNA studies at the University of Cairo report that there are little differences between modern and ancient Egyptians. NARRATOR: But would the bones support Zahy's contention that the workforce was Egyptian? Before the discoveries at Giza, scientists in Cairo had been analyzing the DNA of modern Egyptians. Now, they had managed to successfully extract DNA from the ancient bones. A genetic comparison would be able to establish whether a relationship existed. The results were definitive. DR. MOAMENA KAMEL (IMMUNOLOGIST, CAIRO UNIVERSITY): People who are living here, they are the same as the people who had been living 6000 years ago. OK? And now the moderns are the descendants of these ancient Egyptians. NARRATOR: The DNA confirmed a close relationship between the modern Egyptians living in the Nile Valley and the ancient workers who had been buried there. For Zahy, this was an extremely significant find.
Hammer et al. (1997) used seven different methods to compute population trees of world populations, using Y-chromosome data. All seven methods grouped the Egyptians with the non-African populations rather than with the sub-Saharan Africans. Egyptians' genetic profile resembles that of South Europeans more than the other regional groups in the study.Poloni et al. (1997). Egyptians and a few other African populations (Tunisians, Algerians, and even Ethiopians) showed a stronger Y-chromosome similarity to non-African Mediterraneans than to the remainder of Africans mostly from south of the Sahara.Borgognini-Tarli and G. Paoli, 1982. The ABO blood type frequencies of ancient Egyptians showed no signs of differing significantly from that of present-day Egyptians.

 

[al-Hasani]

@haman10

Illiterate A-zeri Turk idiots should not be allowed to comment on threads of this nature. You are not even a Iranian, LOL.

Egyptians are Arabs just like anybody else in the Arab world that speaks Arabic, considers Arab culture as his own and who has full or partial Arab ancestry like all Egyptians have. Something genetic tests confirm. Even the Nubians as well who are a separate ethnic group inside Egypt. Besides the ancient Egyptian people were fellow Semitic/Coptic people who also belonged to the same people and language family as other Semitic and Afro-Asiatic people. They are our neighbors and the relations with us are several thousand years old.



"In molecular evolution, a haplogroup (from the Greek: ἁπλούς, haploûs, "onefold, single, simple") is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor having the same single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation in all haplotypes. Haplogroup J-P209[Phylogenetics 1] is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. Its history since the Iron Age has been tied to the great events and migrations in this area and in particular to the Semitic people."

Haplogroup J-P209 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Afroasiatic languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



"The earliest written evidence of an Afroasiatic language is an Ancient Egyptian inscription of c. 3400 BC (5,400 years ago).[12] Symbols on Gerzeanpottery resembling Egyptian hieroglyphs date back to c. 4000 BC, suggesting a still earlier possible date. This gives us a minimum date for the age of Afroasiatic. However, Ancient Egyptian is highly divergent from Proto-Afroasiatic (Trombetti 1905: 1–2), and considerable time must have elapsed in between them. Estimates of the date at which the Proto-Afroasiatic language was spoken vary widely. They fall within a range between approximately 7500 BC (9,500 years ago) and approximately 16,000 BC (18,000 years ago). According to Igor M. Diakonoff (1988: 33n), Proto-Afroasiatic was spokenc. 10,000 BC. According to Christopher Ehret (2002: 35–36), Proto-Afroasiatic was spoken c. 11,000 BC at the latest and possibly as early as c. 16,000 BC. These dates are older than dates associated with most other proto-languages."

You should not really open your mouth on Arab or Semitic matters that you obviously have no clue about. Besides Yemen is considered, at least according to ancient Arab folklore, as the homeland of the Arabs.

Lastly don't waste my time, Mullah. You are too dumb for such discussions.

I stick to history, FACTS, genetics (THEY NEVER LIE) as I already provided in this thread and in this very post. Then you can stick to some 13 year old Coptic child's rant on the internet. What a idiot!

Ancient Egyptians = Fellow Semitic/Afro-Asiatic people related to Arabs and other Semitic people. Fact. Arabs as a people are only 3000 years old. Our ancestors are all those ancient Semitic people which history and genetic tests confirm. We were all related before all those fairly modern labels came into existence.

Which this map shows very clearly:



"In molecular evolution, a haplogroup (from the Greek: ἁπλούς, haploûs, "onefold, single, simple") is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor having the same single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation in all haplotypes. Haplogroup J-P209[Phylogenetics 1] is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. Its history since the Iron Age has been tied to the great events and migrations in this area and in particular to the Semitic people."

Haplogroup J-P209 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[haman10]

U HAVE GONE CRAZY !!! YOURE POSTING THE SAME POST ALL OVER AGAIN !!!

WHAT A TROLL !

 

[Parthianshot]

@Parthianshot

Of coursis that. Since attested history and long before you people at least. I mean the real Iranians not the ones who were culturally conquered by them which is the vast majority of Iranians. Most of you are pre-Iranic people that just were culturally absorbed by the Persian invaders. Hence the reason for Haplogroup J being the biggest haplogroup in Iran. A haplogroup that is the most common haplogroup in the nearby Arab world and the ME. But more or less absent in Central Asia, Afghanistan etc. Strange is it not?

Genetic evidence does proof what I am telling and what is well-knonw among historians, geneticistsand that's all that matters. Aside from historical, cultural, linguistic, ancestral etc. relations.

Arabs by large look similar so that is complete nonsense. I could fit in every Arab country and I have always been taken for an local in every Arab country I have been to. Besides not every Arab looks the same. People inside KSA differ from each other. Yemen etc. So of course there will be differences in such large geographical distances. But by large we are of the same stock which predates the words Islam, Arabs etc. by many thousands years.

Also Iranians themselves are the most mixed people in the ME and differ a lot in looks. So what are you talking about?
We are all mixed. Your point again?

Pashtuns are an Iranian people. Although mixed with Turks and others. So nothing wrong with calling them Iranic people.

Nonsense. The only problems we have are Jewish-Arab and that is only based on politics not racial hatred since Jews and Arabs lived peacefully for decades.

You don't strike me as a individual well-versed in history nor genetics so I am not surprised by your comments. But they are not correct.

I don't really know where you read history. The first attested PROOF of Persian (Iranians) moving into the Iranian Plateau is 3000 year old. Or just Persians at all.
It was the Semitic Assyrians who described them first 2800 years ago. This is the first attested proof of Iranian presence in what is now Iran.

Iranian people did not even exist 7000 years ago.

Stop smoking Afghani hashish my friend.

Yes, that explains why we all look different with different features. Because of haplogroup j. Nice logic there.

A Saudi looks nothing like a lebanese or algerian. Even yemenis look different than saudis and a huge percentage of the saudi population clearly has black blood dating back to the ethiopian invaders and onwards. J halogroups or what not are meaningless when mideasterns, specifically semites, are clearly a product of mixing races, as they are not their own race.

Iranics existed in parts of Iran and afghanistan but fully came to power due to the collapse of the elamites and other noniranic states in the hands of the assyrians.

Iranics did not have a Persification or Iranification policy through out most of their history like arabs had arabization, so your claim that were decendant of pre iranics is useless til you can provide some proof. Anyways, even if I was subsaharan african looking I would still call myself Persian and Iranian. Race doesnt much matter to me.

Compare the statues of the achaemenids in Perspolis, pasargad or the Sassanids and parthians to average day Iranians and youll get the same exact facial structure.

Iranics may have mixed with the original inhabitance of Iran, so what?

some pashtuns have dravidian features, not turkic.. anyways, that was not my point. My point Is that its funny to see you try to take credit from civilizations of nonarab semites, who have been at war with your people through out most of history.

 

[al-Hasani]

@Parthianshot

You make no sense. Semitic people are a people and history, languages, civilizations and genetics proof that. Arabs as well. I am not going to discuss with people whose knowledge is non-existent on this topic and who are talking nonsense.

The Afro-Arabs only make up 4-5% of the Arab people. They are not due to any invasion (LOL) but due to this.

Arab slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your people were used in this so you should know.

Semitic people have distinct looks and the most ancient statues in the region are from our part and they look like we look today. Same features.

Iranian peoples only have a less than 3000 year old presence in Iran and the ME. That is a historical fact. Already posted a link to this. Even the Wikipedia page about Iranians tell the same.

Nonsense. Already told you about all those ancient civilizations on Arab lands, (Arabian Peninsula), among them some of the oldest civilizations such as those in Yemen, Dilmun in KSA and Bahrain (5000 years old nearly), the World UNESCO Heritage Sites, 1 of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient world, (Marib Dam in Yemen), Petra one of the wonders of today, Nabateans in modern day KSA and Jordan, some of the oldest cities in the world and some of the oldest continuously inhabited cities etc. List is very long. Besides there are many theories that point to Semitic people originating on the Arabian Peninsula.

I am not going to repeat the same facts again and again to people who do not know anything about Arab or Semitic history or who just chose to ignore the facts.

End of discussion for my part. I have posted all the facts and plenty of links, genetic studies, linguistic data and history etc. Basically all that is needed to make a point.

Anyway you have trolled in the past when it came to Arabs so I don't expect anything else.

Remember the nonsense you wrote about Arabs being short and for which you got ridiculed by non-Arabs and your claim of Iranians being much taller than Saudi Arabians contrary to the facts?

Male Average Height By Country | Map & Chart | Men only

Saudi Arabia 1.746 m (5' 8.75" ft)

Iran 1.703 m (5' 7" ft)

Female Average Height By Country | Map & Chart | Women only

Saudi Arabia 1.625m (5' 4" ft)

Iran 1.59 m (5' 2.5" ft)

 

[EyanKhan]

Oh boy so the wahabis and shias are at it again? *grabs some popcorn*

 

[F117]

If Arabians had such a great civilization thousands of years ago, why can't they recreate that today?

 

[Ahriman]

If Rouhani were to undermine Iran's territorial integrity he wouldn't last a day.

Sci-Fi story, reminds me of "Obama's planned visit to Iran" by a Kuwaiti paper. Arab writers are very creative.

BBC News - Close encounters of the Arab kind