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Un concurrent de moins pour le Rafale aux Emirats Arabes Unis

19/12 | 19:56 | mis à jour à 20:25

BAE Systemes a annoncé qu’Abou Dhabi ne donne plus suite aux discussions portant sur l’achat d’Eurofighter. Un concurrent de moins pour le Rafale de Dassault.

Les Émirats Arabes Unis ont choisi de mettre fin aux discussions avec le Royaume-Uni pour l’achat d’avions de combat européens Eurofighter, concurrent du Rafale du français Dassault Aviation, pour leur armée de l’air, a annoncé jeudi le groupe de défense britannique BAE Systems. Les Émirats envisageaient l’achat de l’appareil mais « ont indiqué qu’ils avaient choisi de ne pas donner suite à cette offre à ce stade », indique dans un communiqué BAE, l’un des fabricants de l’Eurofighter Typhoon aux côtés de l’italien Finmeccanica et de l’européen EADS.

Les Émirats Arabes Unis ont longtemps discuté exclusivement avec Dassault Aviation de l’achat d’avions de combat Rafale pour remplacer leurs 60 Mirage 2000-9. Mais ils avaient ensuite ouvert des discussions avec le gouvernement britannique et BAE Systems pour l’achat d’une flotte d’Eurofighter.

Cette annonce surprise intervient alors que le géant britannique de la défense s’était jusqu’à présent montré optimiste sur ses chances de l’emporter. Ian King, le directeur général de BAE Systems, s’était félicité cette année des « bons progrès » dans ce dossier et du « plein soutien du gouvernement britannique ». Le Premier ministre David Cameron avait personnellement soutenu l’Eurofighter lors d’une récente visite au Moyen-Orient.


Le rafale toujours en course

Cette apparente bonne nouvelle pour le Rafale arrive également au moment où l’avion français vient en revanche de perdre au Brésil face à un autre concurrent, le Gripen du suédois Saab. Le ministre français de la Défense, Jean-Yves Le Drian, a affirmé jeudi qu’il y aurait « bientôt des résultats » pour la vente de Rafale en Inde et dans « le Golfe ».

Il s’est rendue plusieurs fois aux Émirats afin de réchauffer des relations qui s’étaient un temps refroidies entre les deux pays. Il avait ainsi rencontré en février le prince héritier cheikh Mohamed bin Zayed et s’était rendu au salon de l’armement Idex à Abu Dhabi.Eric Trappier, le nouveau PDG de Dassault, avait alors indiqué au journal les « Echos » avoir désormais « une feuille de route », confirmant implicitement le retour en lice du Rafale après une période de disgrâce.

Mais l’échec de l’Eurofighter ne signifie pas pour autant une victoire de son concurrent français à ce stade. Les Etats-Unis sont également très actifs aux Emirats, un pays qui aime se fournir auprès de plusieurs pays: le Pentagone avait annoncé en avril qu’il allait vendre 26 F-16 de Lockheed Martin supplémentaires à l’armée de l’air émiratie, qui en possède déjà 80. L’appareil américain de nouvelle génération F-35 pourrait ainsi intéresser les Emirats, un pays qui aime se doter d’un armement dernier cri.

« Aucun avion ne se retrouve soudainement en pôle position » après l’échec Britannique, a commenté auprès de l’AFP Sandy Morris, analyste de la banque américaine Jefferies. « L’avion n’était seulement qu’une composante » d’un accord « vaste et complexe », souligne-t-il, alors que les contrats de défense ont souvent une dimension politique prépondérante. C’est en tout cas une mauvaise nouvelle pour BAE Systems, qui mise sur l’exportation pour compenser la baisse des budgets de défense au Royaume-Uni. Le groupe a également été fragilisé par l’échec il y a un an de sa fusion avec EADS, la maison mère de l’avionneur civil Airbus.

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Brazil picks Sweden's Gripen for its air force

By Yana Marull December 18, 2013 5:33 PM


Brasília (AFP) -
Sweden's Saab edged out French and US rivals to win a multi-billion-dollar contract to supply Brazil's air force with 36 new fighter jets, Defense Minister Celso Amorim said Wednesday.

Saab's Gripen NG was in competition with the Rafale made by France's Dassault company and US aviation giant Boeing's F/A-18 fighter for the long-deferred FX-2 air force replacement program

"After analyzing all the facts, President Dilma Rousseff directed me to inform that the winner of the contract for the acquisition of the 36 fighter jets for the Brazilian Air Force is the Swedish Gripen NG," Amorim told a press conference.

He put the actual value of the contract, earlier estimated at $5 billion, at $4.5 billion as Saab offered the cheapest price.

"We are a peaceful country, but we will not remain defenseless," Rousseff said on the presidential palace's blog.

"It is important to realize that a country the size of Brazil must be ready to protect its citizens, its resources, its sovereignty.(…) We must be ready to deal with any threat," she added,

The announcement came after more than 10 years of discussions and repeated delays due to budgetary constraints.

It came as a surprise, as experts were forecasting a Dassault-Boeing duel.

Amorim said the Gripen, a state-of-the-art, multi-role fighter, got the nod based on performance, assurances of full technology transfer and overall costs.

The Swedish aircraft, which was favored by the air force brass, is capable of performing an extensive range of air-to-air, air-to-surface and reconnaissance missions.

It can carry up to 6.5 tons of armament and equipment.

Munitions include various missiles, laser-guided bombs, and a single 27 mm Mauser BK-27 cannon.

The Gripen is in use in the air forces of Britain, South Africa, the Czech Republic, Thailand and Hungary.

Rousseff had postponed a decision on the FX-2 replacement contract in early 2011 for budgetary reasons but air force chiefs made it clear that it was an urgent matter.

The air force said the new fighter aircraft were needed to maintain an adequate air defense as it is to retire its 12 Mirage jets in late December.

Brazil bought the refurbished Mirage 2000 C/Bs from France in 2005 for $80 million to fly for five years.

A key requirement for the sale was technology transfers so that the planes can be assembled in this country and give a boost to the domestic defense industry.

Amorim said negotiations with Saab would take 10-12 months, with the signing of the contract expected at the end of next year and delivery of the first aircraft 48 months later.

The defense minister said Brazil's top plane maker Embraer "will benefit greatly" from the deal.

The G1 news website quoted Air Force spokesman Marcelo Damasceno as saying the Gripen jets "will meet the operational needs of the Air Force for the next 30 years."

Wednesday's announcement was a major blow for Dassault which has so far failed to export the Rafale.

French President François Hollande personally lobbied for Dassault's plane during a state visit to Brazil last week.

Brazilian press reports said Rousseff was leaning toward the F/A-18 but recent disclosures of extensive US cyberspying on Brazil dashed Boeing's hopes.

In 2009, then president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva had expressed a preference for the Rafale but later backtracked and left the choice to his successor Dilma Rousseff.

A source close to Dassault in Paris said the Rafale was the most expensive among the three aircraft in contention.

"There is a prototype of the Gripen NG, which already has 300 hours of flight," said Brazilian Air Force Commander Juniti Saito.

"We are going to develop the plant jointly with Sweden. with Saab, to have 100 percent of the plane's intellectual property," he added.

"Within the Air Force, the Gripen was always seen as the favorite because, even though it has many US-made components, it is a project that will be developed jointly with Brazil," the daily O Estado de Sao Paulo said.


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Blow for Britain and BAE Systems as UAE rules out Eurofighter deal

Britain fails to seal multi-billion pound deal to sell 60 Eurofighter Typhoon jet fighters to the United Arab Emirates

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BAE Sytems hoped to sell 60 Eurofighter Typhoon jet fighters to the United Arab Emirates


By Alistair Osborne, and Alan Tovey

8:09AM GMT 20 Dec 2013


Defence contractor BAE Systems has been hit by a double-blow from the Gulf over its Typhoon fighter jet programme, damaging its export ambitions and forcing the company to warn on profits.


In a major reversal, announced after the market closed, BAE said the United Arab Emirates had ended protracted negotiations over a potential order worth up to £6bn for around 60 of the supersonic aircraft – despite the personal intervention of Prime Minister David Cameron.

The defence group also disclosed that, for the third year running, it had failed to agree the price for 72 Typhoons for Saudi Arabia, reducing this year’s forecast earnings per share by “6p-7p” – equivalent to about £250m off operating profits, according to analysts. They had been expecting 43p of earnings.

BAE shares, which had closed up 7.9 at 442p before Thursday's announcement, dropped 4pc when trading began on Friday.

UAE’s decision to balk at buying Typhoons is a major setback for BAE, which was hoping to make the Gulf principality its fourth export market for the jet after Saudi Arabia, Oman and Austria.

In a blow for British jobs and exports, the defence group said: “BAE Systems and the UK Government have been in discussions with the Government of the United Arab Emirates regarding a range of defence and security capabilities including the potential supply of Typhoon aircraft. The UAE have advised that they have elected not to proceed with these proposals at this time.”

BAE insisted that “recognising the risk, scale and complexity of such a transaction, the group had not built this prospect into its planning assumptions”.


However, senior BAE executives had been extremely hopeful of winning a contract that would have guaranteed around two more years work for its production and assembly facilities at Salmesbury and Warton in Lancashire. The current Typhoon workload only extends to 2018, while fresh orders also bring contracts for the Hawk training jet.

BAE was lead negotiator for the UAE contract within the pan-European Eurofighter consortium, whose other members are Italy’s Finmeccanica and Airbus-maker EADS, representing Germany and Spain.

A BAE spokesman said: “We put a world-class proposal on the table, but the UAE has elected not to proceed at this time.” The company added: “BAE stands ready to work with the UAE to address any future requirements.”

The setback is an embarrassment for Mr Cameron, who on a visit to Dubai last month said Britain was “in the running” to sell the Typhoon to the Middle East.

Speaking as the Eurofighter faced competition from French rival Dassault and its Rafale aircraft, Mr Cameron said he was continuing to “support Typhoon around the world, which is doing extremely well and is clearly in the running here as well, so there’s a lot of jobs, a lot of investment to be garnered from visits like this”.

Mr Cameron also visited the UAE in November last year, when a spokesman for Number 10 issued a statement saying: “The UAE, Saudi Arabia and Oman have all expressed an interest in purchasing Typhoons and the Government is aiming to secure sales of more than 100 aircraft to the region in the coming year, deals that together would be directly worth over £6bn pounds to British firms.”

A Government spokesman last night denied that the UAE decision was in any way related to Britain’s “no” vote on military intervention in Syria, saying: “This was a commercial decision. It was always going to be a difficult deal to do. And as BAE have said, it was an exciting prospect but not part of their business plan.”

The spokesman added that “the Government continues to support BAE Systems in their efforts to win further export orders”, noting that the “Typhoon is a world-leading capability” that had been selected by seven Air Forces - the Eurofighter members and the three export markets.

“We continue to have a strong bilateral relationship with UAE that delivers jobs and growth in both countries, for example following the Prime Minister’s last visit in November both Emirates and Etihad airlines placed large orders for Airbus aircraft worth more than £5bn to the UK economy,” the spokesman said.

Zafar Khan, an analyst at Societe Generale, cautioned that he had never seen Typhoon as favourite for the UAE deal.

“My feeling is that the UAE have a very strong relationship with the French and the current fleet has a lot of Mirage jets in it. So I had always felt that UAE was likely to veer towards the Rafale,” he said.

BAE’s ongoing failure to agree a step-up in prices for 72 Typhoon jets for Saudi Arabia, under the “Salam” contract first negotiated in 2007, will hit this year’s profits.

BAE said “the group’s focus in these negotiations continues to be on agreeing appropriate terms and not the timing of such an agreement”.

But the stand-off is a setback for BAE chief executive Ian King, who said in August: “We do expect we will close this out in the second half of this year," noting that the Saudis were now talking about increasing the order “beyond the 72”.

BAE has so far delivered 28 aircraft under the contract and stressed that Saudi Arabia had continued to sign contracts with the company relating to the Typhoon order. They include a £3.4bn deal, running to 2016, for the provision of manpower, logistics and training to the Saudi air force.

BAE said its relationship with Saudi Arabia “remains excellent”, noting it had agreed £1.5bn of contracts this month for the “supply of guided weapons and Tornado maintenance and upgrades”.

A BAE spokesman said the after-hours announcement was due to having not been “notified by the UAE government” until Thursday afternoon.
 
UAE pulls out of BAE Eurofighter Typhoon deal

UK defence firm days it has also not reached agreement with Saudi Arabia
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  • The RAF's Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft will make its maiden appearance in Dubai.
London: BAE Systems said the UAE had quit talks to buy Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft and it had not yet reached a final agreement with Saudi Arabia over a jet deal.

Fighter jet exports to regions such as the Middle East have become increasingly important to defence contractors such as BAE which are facing declining military spending from their biggest customers in the U.S. and Europe.

The company had been in discussions with the UAE about a deal possibly worth around Dh36 billion (6 billion pounds), for months, but it said in an update on Thursday that it had seen the risk of not winning a contract as high, so had not factored a win into its financial projections.

BAE’s Chief Executive Ian King said in August that winning the UAE deal could be a “major game changer” for the company and the order, along with other potential orders from Saudi, could help stretch its Typhoon production line by four years to 2022.


BAE added on Thursday that it was still in talks with the government of Saudi Arabia over pricing of Typhoon jets, the continued delay of the so-called “Salaam deal” has pushed BAE to repeatedly trim its full year earnings forecasts. The Gulf state agreed to buy 72 Eurofighter jets in 2007 for 4.43 billion pounds at the time.

“Whilst good progress has been made, a definitive agreement has yet to be reached. A timely agreement in the new year would be reflected in trading for 2013,” BAE said.


The company said in October that should the Saudi deal fail to be completed this year, it could hit its earnings per share by 6-7 pence for 2013.

“The combined news is certainly negative for BAE as we think some investors expected UK PLC to deliver a UAE contract, especially after PM David Cameron visited for the Dubai Airshow,” RBC Capital Markets analyst Rob Stallard said.

“But Salaam could potentially prove the more worrying piece of news as its continued delay may spook investors into worrying that negotiations are not achieving any real progress.”

Speculation that the UAE would pick the Eurofighter consortium, made up by BAE, EADS and Finmeccanica, to supply at least 60 aircraft to replace its ageing Mirage fleet mounted after British Prime Minister David Cameron visited the Dubai Airshow to urge the region’s leaders to buy the aircraft last month.

“This was a commercial decision. It was always going to be a difficult deal to do. And as BAE have said, it was an exciting prospect but not part of their business plan, a British government spokesperson said.

“We continue to have a strong bilateral relationship with UAE that delivers jobs and growth in both countries.” The UAE was choosing between the Eurofighter and France’s Dassault Aviation Rafale aircraft for the order.

The decision provides a possible lift to the export prospects of France’s Rafale, twenty-four hours after the plane was rejected along with Boeing’s F/A-18 in a competition to supply fighters to Brazil.

Dassault Aviation had been seen as the leading contender to win the UAE contract until it was publicly criticized by Abu Dhabi over the Rafale aircraft’s price two years ago. The UAE subsequently opened negotiations with the Eurofighter consortium, but a Gulf source said last month that other suppliers were “pushing” for a deal.

Besides France’s Dassault, Boeing’s F-15 is also in contention, the source said.

A spokesman for Dassault was not immediately available for comment.
 
Where does it say U.A.E going for Rafale as "confirmed news"?

Besides Rafale, F-18 E/F and F-15 are contenders. Most likely winners could be F-15s as replacement for Mirages and the already ordered additional 25 F-16 desert faclons.

U.A.E AF already told Dassault that they will not fund them for a newer more powerful Engine but it should be on part of Dassault where as French are insisting U.A.E funds it. There you go Boeing is leading.
 
Where does it say U.A.E going for Rafale as "confirmed news"?

Besides Rafale, F-18 E/F and F-15 are contenders. Most likely winners could be F-15s as replacement for Mirages and the already ordered additional 25 F-16 desert faclons.

U.A.E AF already told Dassault that they will not fund them for a newer more powerful Engine but it should be on part of Dassault where as French are insisting U.A.E funds it. There you go Boeing is leading.

I guess the French must understand the nature of competitions in this business.
 
as far as i know the deal is cancelled NOT because UAE wants Rafale, but because they don't need a new fleet of fighters as the problems with Iran are being resolved diplomatically.
 
More Desert Falcons plus F-15SA standard Eagles seem to be the best choice.

It would mean full inter operateability between GCC military command. With top of the line, vipers and eagles, typhoons, tornados, hornets all able to link up to E3 command air craft.

Rafale is rubbish as it is. It needs upgrades which UAE won't fund. It won't be a wise choice. Though UAE might buy them for they might not want to put all their eggs in uncle sams basket.

I wish that the UAE mirage dash 9's end up in our Naval air command with upgrades, they'd provide a good run for their money to Indian carrier bourne Harriers, and Mig-29s, though chances of that happening are as slim as megan fox's waist. :D

@asad71 Maybe Bangladesh AF should look into them. ~ 68 upgraded Dash 9's can give you 'instant' air dominance over the Burmese, and a valid deterence against India.
 
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More Desert Falcons plus F-15SA standard Eagles seem to be the best choice.

It would mean full inter operateability between GCC military command. With top of the line, vipers and eagles, typhoons, tornados, hornets all able to link up to E3 command air craft.

Rafale is rubbish as it is. It needs upgrades which UAE won't fund. It won't be a wise choice. Though UAE might buy them for they might not want to put all their eggs in uncle sams basket.

I wish that the UAE mirage dash 9's end up in our Naval air command with upgrades, they'd provide a good run for their money to Indian carrier bourne Harriers, and Mig-29s, though chances of that happening are as slim as megan fox's waist. :D

@asad71
Maybe Bangladesh AF should look into them. ~ 68 upgraded Dash 9's can give you 'instant' air dominance over the Burmese, and a valid deterence against India
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IMO, it is impossible. I guess the best candidate to fit in this category is none other than your country.

I do believe though that the UAE will get what they want - a far superior DR than what exists -
 
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