U.S. Will Not Let Iran Buy Arms When U.N. Embargo Ends: Pompeo

[QWECXZ]

USA needs to part of JCPOA to extend the arms embargo on Iran even then USA will need China & Russia not to veto it. embargo ends in October and USA has left the deal and cannot join back in. Idiot Trump exited the deal with out thinking it through.

If the US were still part of the deal, they could extend the arms embargo on Iran by activating the trigger mechanism. And Russia or China couldn't block it by vetoing it because it's part of the JCPOA. The JCPOA is one hell of a joke honestly.

You have to replace lots of junk jets in your Air force like f4/f7/ mirage f1/f5 etc etc latest Flankers would be a good option to replace these junks
And f14 is no more potent fighter jets for any Air force and your f14 is low in numbers, 40 or less,isn't it bro?

We have sixty something F-14's left. Honestly, a well-upgraded F14 is still a very potent fighter. Even an upgraded F5 can be a lethal fighter if employed over friendly skies backed by ground radars and SAMs.

 

[Mithridates]

You have to replace lots of junk jets in your Air force like f4/f7/ mirage f1/f5 etc etc latest Flankers would be a good option to replace these junks
And f14 is no more potent fighter jets for any Air force and your f14 is low in numbers, 40 or less,isn't it bro?

compare our f-14 with f-15C. our tomcats are more capable than it.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256000120551886848

"There is no qualification in 2231 where 'participant' is defined in a way to require participation in the JCPOA"

 

[Arminkh]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256000120551886848

"There is no qualification in 2231 where 'participant' is defined in a way to require participation in the JCPOA"

Everybody else in the security Council agrees this is a big stretch of the deal. As far as I know it is not like a single party can snap back of the resolution. US can demand snap back and then there are mechanisms for either approving or rejecting it. And that's when rest of the parties like Russia and China come in. Russia has clearly stated its position on this issue. So it is not going to fly.

 

[Navigator]

US can demand snap back and then there are mechanisms for either approving or rejecting it.

During the conclusion of the JCPOA in 2015, Iranian negotiators was forced to agree on US demand to a very inconvenient special mechanism, which was enshrined in UNSC resolution 2231. According to it, if even one of JCPOA participant state officially raises in UNSC the issue of significant non-compliance with the terms of the JCPOA of another side, then the UN Security Council should vote not for or against the resolution on the return of sanctions, but for or against the resolution on the extension of the lifting of sanctions. Therefore even the US alone can veto it, and all UN sanctions are automatically returned.
However, to launch this mechanism, it's necessary to be members of the JCPOA, and the United States has withdrawn from it in 2018.
If the United States will be trying to declare themselves a formal participant in the JCPOA, despite leaving it and start this snapback mechanism this will lead to a huge scandal and discredit of the UN. In fact, there may be a situation where the United States will carry out this procedure using it's influence in the UN apparatus and announce the return of sanctions, but Russia and China don't recognize this.

 

[Kastor]

During the conclusion of the JCPOA in 2015, Iranian negotiators was forced to agree on US demand to a very inconvenient special mechanism, which was enshrined in UNSC resolution 2231. According to it, if even one of JCPOA participant state officially raises in UNSC the issue of significant non-compliance with the terms of the JCPOA of another side, then the UN Security Council should vote not for or against the resolution on the return of sanctions, but for or against the resolution on the extension of the lifting of sanctions. Therefore even the US alone can veto it, and all UN sanctions are automatically returned.
However, to launch this mechanism, it's necessary to be members of the JCPOA, and the United States has withdrawn from it in 2018.
If the United States will be trying to declare themselves a formal participant in the JCPOA, despite leaving it and start this snapback mechanism this will lead to a huge scandal and discredit of the UN. In fact, there may be a situation where the United States will carry out this procedure using it's influence in the UN apparatus and announce the return of sanctions, but Russia and China don't recognize this.

Show me where that is......I read the JCOPA dispute mechanism, I don't remember seeing anything of the sort.


Point 26 states what the U.S. has to do in return for Iran's compliance....the U.S. violated that clause and then publicly....PUBLICLY and with great fanfare withdrew from that agreement....the U.N. SC is not a kangaroo court where you get to beat the state by some legal gymnastics. They all know what this administration has done....this will go over like a lead balloon.....DOA! The only outcome is more damage to the this failed administrations diplomatic face.
from the UN resolution:
26. The EU will refrain from re-introducing or re-imposing the sanctions that it has terminated implementing under this JCPOA, without prejudice to the dispute resolution process provided for under this JCPOA. There will be no new nuclear-related UN Security Council sanctions and no new EU nuclearrelated sanctions or restrictive measures. The United States will make best efforts in good faith to sustain this JCPOA and to prevent interference with the realisation of the full benefit by Iran of the sanctions lifting specified in Annex II. The U.S. Administration, acting consistent with the respective roles of the President and the Congress, will refrain from re-introducing or reimposing the sanctions specified in Annex II that it has ceased applying under this JCPOA, without prejudice to the dispute resolution process provided for under this JCPOA. The U.S. Administration, acting consistent with the respective roles of the President and the Congress, will refrain from imposing new nuclear-related sanctions. Iran has stated that it will treat such a re-introduction or re-imposition of the sanctions specified in Annex II, or such an imposition of new nuclear-related sanctions, as grounds to cease performing its commitments under this JCPOA in whole or in part.


You can read paragraph 36 the dispute mechanism.....by complaining you can have it go to a resolution board, if you don't like the outcome, then you can withdraw.....the U.S. has forfeited that right already.

 

[925boy]

Well the arms embargo on China from 1989 really curtailed China. Look where it got China to.

True. Also, Iran has shown effective deterrence today WITHOUT foreign supplied weapons, so i dont believe come October 2020, Iran wont still have that. Foreign weapons will only accelerate the rate of/make it more effective to effective defence and offense Iran can muster militarily.

Basically foreign weapons wont change much quickly, so its more or less a mute point, esp in the short term.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran has managed to achieve replication of old radars but ones required for BVR and long range scans is still far away. Iran has developed AESA systems for ground based guidance but miniaturization required to mount on a jet fighter will take another decade or with foreign assistance another 2-3 years. Iran is definitely on the right track so i hope future yields better results in terms of engine and radar tech. Engine will be the most difficult part to achieve considering even china has struggled to achieve this feat.

but all the radar we make for our airplanes are bvr capable and we don't make mechanical radars

Why?? Bro

But su30 is considered to be one of the best jets in the world its has a latest avionics/radars/ ecm/ECCM that's your f14 lacks , su30 is considered to be 4.5th gen jet not early 4th gen jet like you have f14


So what you want mostly USAF/USN are using 4.5th gen jets su30 will be the good options to face US 4.5th gen jets

I already said , its nonsense buying them and Su-30 never was as good as F-15 and no matter how many su-30 we buy it wont matter against the airplanes our enmies will field against it.
and how you knew what our F-14 have and what they lack

 

[Ultima Thule]

but all the radar we make for our airplanes are bvr capable and we don't make mechanical radars


I already said , its nonsense buying them and Su-30 never was as good as F-15 and no matter how many su-30 we buy it wont matter against the airplanes our enmies will field against it.
and how you knew what our F-14 have and what they lack

AND F14 DESIGN TOO OLD MID SIXTIES WHEREAS SU30 IS LATE 70s DESIGN AND ITS COMPARABLE AND ON THE PAR TO F15

 

[Hack-Hook]

AND F14 DESIGN TOO OLD MID SIXTIES WHEREAS SU30 IS LATE 70s DESIGN AND ITS COMPARABLE AND ON THE PAR TO F15

it don't matter , F-14 is designed for something else and su-30 for something else and f-14 still beat su-30 in what it designed for . you must compare su-30 with what it designed to compete and that's f-15 and Su-30 never was as good as F-15 . it was Su-35 that managed to best F-15. and all our probable enemies use latest f-16 , f-15 and f-35 and f-22 . tell me how some for example 50 or even 100 su-30 change the equation against hunderds of those airplanes ?

 

[Mithridates]

mechanical radars

lol mechanical radar, he means mechanical steering radar.

it don't matter , F-14 is designed for something else and su-30 for something else and f-14 still beat su-30 in what it designed for . you must compare su-30 with what it designed to compete and that's f-15 and Su-30 never was as good as F-15 . it was Su-35 that managed to best F-15. and all our probable enemies use latest f-16 , f-15 and f-35 and f-22 . tell me how some for example 50 or even 100 su-30 change the equation against hunderds of those airplanes ?

bro su-30==>f-4 not f-14. and it increases payload of each sortie by a 1.6 factor and the range by 2.4. it is more maneuverable, higher T/W ratio, BWR capable, better turn ratio, better MAX AoA, avionic, 400km radar...

 

[Ultima Thule]

it don't matter , F-14 is designed for something else and su-30 for something else and f-14 still beat su-30 in what it designed for . you must compare su-30 with what it designed to compete and that's f-15 and Su-30 never was as good as F-15 . it was Su-35 that managed to best F-15. and all our probable enemies use latest f-16 , f-15 and f-35 and f-22 . tell me how some for example 50 or even 100 su-30 change the equation against hunderds of those airplanes ?

F14 like a interceptor with limited maneuverability/agility like mig-31

If you have SU30 than its better than your F14
As your opinion is your 60 F14 is ENOUGH to deal with hundreds of f-22/F35/f16/f15
Su30 will strengthen your Air Force and you have to able to sustain or face your enemies much longer than just 60 odd f14??

lol mechanical radar, he means mechanical steering radar.

Pulse Doppler radars or mechanical scanned array

 

[925boy]

Yes.

They can not continue to neglect their air force.

They are not neglecting their air force,they've actually helped it alot, with upgrades, restorations, modernization, etc. Issue is they CANT upgrade the equipment they dont make locally because of the arms embargo. Iran can restore most 70s Soviet aircraft, but IRan needs its hands on actual salvagable planes, and thats the issue.

 

[Kastor]

During the conclusion of the JCPOA in 2015, Iranian negotiators was forced to agree on US demand to a very inconvenient special mechanism, which was enshrined in UNSC resolution 2231. According to it, if even one of JCPOA participant state officially raises in UNSC the issue of significant non-compliance with the terms of the JCPOA of another side, then the UN Security Council should vote not for or against the resolution on the return of sanctions, but for or against the resolution on the extension of the lifting of sanctions. Therefore even the US alone can veto it, and all UN sanctions are automatically returned.
However, to launch this mechanism, it's necessary to be members of the JCPOA, and the United States has withdrawn from it in 2018.
If the United States will be trying to declare themselves a formal participant in the JCPOA, despite leaving it and start this snapback mechanism this will lead to a huge scandal and discredit of the UN. In fact, there may be a situation where the United States will carry out this procedure using it's influence in the UN apparatus and announce the return of sanctions, but Russia and China don't recognize this.

Here is a good article on how the Democratic U.S. Senator sees it......
Also the best part is what an Arms expert that calls what Pompeo and Hook are asking for as Absurd

http://www.wicz.com/story/42077288/pompeo-and-warren-trade-twitter-jabs-over-iran-nuclear-deal

 

[Surenas]

During the conclusion of the JCPOA in 2015, Iranian negotiators was forced to agree on US demand to a very inconvenient special mechanism, which was enshrined in UNSC resolution 2231.

Actually, the snapback mechanism was a French proposal. Here the former French ambassador to the United States, Gérard Araud, in a heated discussion with pro-Israel propagandist and FDD lobbyist Richard Goldberg. Even he thinks the US' argument that is has legal right to active one of the JCPOA's provisions, even though it explicitly withdrew from the agreement, is absurd:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1254603483979943936

The only wildcard in all this is the United Kingdom imo. I'm guessing Pompeo is going to use all of his department's resources to persuade Boris Johnson to join the US in activating the snapback mechanism. In the end, the success of the Trump administration's effort to prevent the arms embargo from being lifted solely depends on its diplomatic resourcefulness; not some kind of twisted and self-proclaimed legal right as a non-participating member.