U.S. Stopped Philippines Rifle Sale That Senator Opposed - Source

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https://reportca.net/2016/11/these-...ounds-off-on-us-monkeys-for-halting-gun-sale/
‘These American fools’ Rodrigo Duterte sounds off on US ‘monkeys’ for halting gun sale
ByGlobalnews.ca-
November 3, 2016

MANILA – Philippine PresidentRodrigoDutertechided the United States on Wednesday for halting the planned sale of 26,000 rifles to his country, calling those behind the decision “fools” and “monkeys” and indicating he might turn to Russia and China instead.

Duterte‘s tirades against the former colonial power are routine during his speeches and he said on Wednesday he once believed in Washington, but had since lost respect for the Philippines’ biggest ally.

In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said he regardedDuterte‘s latest salvo as “inexplicably at odds with the close relationship that we continue to have with not just the Filipino people, but the Filipino government.”

The State Department halted the sale of the assault rifles to the Philippine police after staff from U.S. Senator Ben Cardin’s office said he would oppose it, Senate aides told Reuters on Monday.

Aides said Cardin, the top Democrat on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was reluctant for the United States to provide the weapons given concern about human rights violations in the Philippines duringDuterte‘s bloody, four-month-old war on drugs.

“Look at these monkeys, the 26,000 firearms we wanted to buy, they don’t want to sell,”Dutertesaid during a televised speech.

“SON OF A BITCH, WE HAVE MANY HOMEMADE GUNS HERE. THESE AMERICAN FOOLS.”

More than 2,300 people have been killed in police operations or by suspected vigilantes as part ofDuterte‘s anti-narcotics effort, which was the linchpin of his election campaign.

Dutertehas vented his anger at the United States for raising concerns about the extrajudicial killings.

“THAT’S WHY I WAS RUDE AT THEM, BECAUSE THEY WERE RUDE AT ME,” HE SAID.

According to procedures in Washington, the State Department informs Congress when international weapons sales are in the works. Aides said the State Department had been informed Cardin would oppose the deal during the prenotification process, thus effectively halting the sale.

“Committee staff told State that Cardin would block it if it was sent forward. They haven’t sent it. Does that mean it has been stopped? I guess that depends on your definition. It would be highly unusual for State to move it forward with explicit opposition,” a Senate aide said on Wednesday.

COMMITTED TO PHILIPPINES ALLIANCE

Kirby, the State Department spokesman, said he was barred from commenting on the status of the sale, while stressing the U.S. commitment to the U.S.-Philippines alliance.

Asked how the United States could have a close relationship with the Phiippines’ government without also having such ties with its president, Kirby said in a democracy, the government “doesn’t rest on the shoulders of just one individual.”

Kirby denied Washington had any plan to circumventDutertebut rather to stress that it has long and robust relationships with other parts of the government.

“Those are solid, they remain. But obviously, you also need to develop a good working relationship with the head of state,” Kirby said. “We’re committed to doing that.”

Speaking with troops at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said the long-standing military alliance had benefited both nations.

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If it does not go ahead, dela Rosa said, “We have many options and it’s their loss, not ours, if the report is true.”

Dutertereiterated that Russia and China had shown willingness to sell arms to the Philippines, but he would wait to see if his military wanted to continue using U.S. weapons.

“RUSSIA, THEY ARE INVITING US. CHINA ALSO. CHINA IS OPEN, ANYTHING YOU WANT, THEY SENT ME BROCHURE SAYING WE SELECT THERE, WE’LL GIVE YOU.

“But I am holding off because I was asking the military if they have any problem. Because if you have, if you want to stick to America, fine.

“But, look closely and balance the situation, they are rude to us.”

 

[TaiShang]

http://www.update.ph/2016/11/president-duterte-leads-send-off-of-17-vietnamese-fishermen/10658

Perfect. This is the sort of regional harmony we are seeking relentlessly.

After all, all the fishermen from any country are trying to do is to bring rice to the table.

 

[TaiShang]

He is just twisting the US hand a little.

Obviously, the world has changed and it falls to Duterte to remind the US of it.

US getting surprised is surprising.

 

[graphican]

America has lost Philippines anyway. The sale of guns might had given them a chance to keep some sort of relationship but looks like Americans have pulled the plug already. Well their call... China would happily fill every gap which Americans would lave in that region.

 

[anon45]

He has to be the first 'x-box live' president.

Anyways let him buy elsewhere, IDGAF.

I could make jokes about Duterte and monkeys all day.

 

[Zibago]

He called them Monkeys
He acts like a child at times
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Philippines' Duterte rails at U.S. 'monkeys' for halting gun sale
November 03, 2016, 11:55 am


Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte chided the United States on Wednesday for halting the planned sale of 26,000 rifles to his country, calling those behind the decision "fools" and "monkeys" and indicating he might turn to Russia and China instead.

Duterte's tirades against the former colonial power are routine during his speeches and he said on Wednesday he once believed in Washington, but had since lost respect for the Philippines' biggest ally.

In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said he regarded Duterte's latest salvo as "inexplicably at odds with the close relationship that we continue to have with not just the Filipino people, but the Filipino government."

The State Department halted the sale of the assault rifles to the Philippine police after staff from U.S. Senator Ben Cardin's office said he would oppose it, Senate aides told Reuters on Monday.

Aides said Cardin, the top Democrat on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was reluctant for the United States to provide the weapons given concern about human rights violations in the Philippines during Duterte's bloody, four-month-old war on drugs.

"Look at these monkeys, the 26,000 firearms we wanted to buy, they don't want to sell," Duterte said during a televised speech.

"Son of a bitch, we have many homemade guns here. These American fools."

More than 2,300 people have been killed in police operations or by suspected vigilantes as part of Duterte's anti-narcotics effort, which was the linchpin of his election campaign.

Duterte has vented his anger at the United States for raising concerns about the extrajudicial killings.

"That's why I was rude at them, because they were rude at me," he said.

According to procedures in Washington, the State Department informs Congress when international weapons sales are in the works. Aides said the State Department had been informed Cardin would oppose the deal during the prenotification process, thus effectively halting the sale.

"Committee staff told State that Cardin would block it if it was sent forward. They haven't sent it. Does that mean it has been stopped? I guess that depends on your definition. It would be highly unusual for State to move it forward with explicit opposition," a Senate aide said on Wednesday.



COMMITTED TO PHILIPPINES ALLIANCE

Kirby, the State Department spokesman, said he was barred from commenting on the status of the sale, while stressing the U.S. commitment to the U.S.-Philippines alliance.

Asked how the United States could have a close relationship with the Phiippines' government without also having such ties with its president, Kirby said in a democracy, the government "doesn't rest on the shoulders of just one individual."

Kirby denied Washington had any plan to circumvent Duterte but rather to stress that it has long and robust relationships with other parts of the government.

"Those are solid, they remain. But obviously, you also need to develop a good working relationship with the head of state," Kirby said. "We're committed to doing that."

Speaking with troops at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said the long-standing military alliance had benefited both nations.

 

[TaiShang]

He called them Monkeys
He acts like a child at times
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Philippines' Duterte rails at U.S. 'monkeys' for halting gun sale
November 03, 2016, 11:55 am


Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte chided the United States on Wednesday for halting the planned sale of 26,000 rifles to his country, calling those behind the decision "fools" and "monkeys" and indicating he might turn to Russia and China instead.

Duterte's tirades against the former colonial power are routine during his speeches and he said on Wednesday he once believed in Washington, but had since lost respect for the Philippines' biggest ally.

In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said he regarded Duterte's latest salvo as "inexplicably at odds with the close relationship that we continue to have with not just the Filipino people, but the Filipino government."

The State Department halted the sale of the assault rifles to the Philippine police after staff from U.S. Senator Ben Cardin's office said he would oppose it, Senate aides told Reuters on Monday.

Aides said Cardin, the top Democrat on the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was reluctant for the United States to provide the weapons given concern about human rights violations in the Philippines during Duterte's bloody, four-month-old war on drugs.

"Look at these monkeys, the 26,000 firearms we wanted to buy, they don't want to sell," Duterte said during a televised speech.

"Son of a bitch, we have many homemade guns here. These American fools."

More than 2,300 people have been killed in police operations or by suspected vigilantes as part of Duterte's anti-narcotics effort, which was the linchpin of his election campaign.

Duterte has vented his anger at the United States for raising concerns about the extrajudicial killings.

"That's why I was rude at them, because they were rude at me," he said.

According to procedures in Washington, the State Department informs Congress when international weapons sales are in the works. Aides said the State Department had been informed Cardin would oppose the deal during the prenotification process, thus effectively halting the sale.

"Committee staff told State that Cardin would block it if it was sent forward. They haven't sent it. Does that mean it has been stopped? I guess that depends on your definition. It would be highly unusual for State to move it forward with explicit opposition," a Senate aide said on Wednesday.



COMMITTED TO PHILIPPINES ALLIANCE

Kirby, the State Department spokesman, said he was barred from commenting on the status of the sale, while stressing the U.S. commitment to the U.S.-Philippines alliance.

Asked how the United States could have a close relationship with the Phiippines' government without also having such ties with its president, Kirby said in a democracy, the government "doesn't rest on the shoulders of just one individual."

Kirby denied Washington had any plan to circumvent Duterte but rather to stress that it has long and robust relationships with other parts of the government.

"Those are solid, they remain. But obviously, you also need to develop a good working relationship with the head of state," Kirby said. "We're committed to doing that."

Speaking with troops at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said the long-standing military alliance had benefited both nations.

Diplomatic symbolism at its highest. Should not be taken literally.

This has a place in diplomacy. During the Cold War, US used to resort to similar tactics against the Soviets.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Lool.
To be honest though, I don't see why the U.S even cares about the crimes that might have been committed in Philippines drugs war. Who cares if innocent are killed as collateral damage? The U.S/western countries and any other power should just look after their National interests first and foremost(especially when it concerns a close ally like the Philippines). I still don't see why the U.S strained it's relations with the country simply due to this drug war Duerte launched. In fact, it should have been the opposite , the U.S should have increase its relations with the Philippines instead, by selling even more arms and making or bucks. WIN-WIN relations.
Seems we need to encourage our American friends to do more business with whoever, as far as our defence companies can make money who cares about the casualties?

 

[Nike]

Lool.
To be honest though, I don't see why the U.S even cares about the crimes that might have been committed in Philippines drugs war. Who cares if innocent are killed as collateral damage? The U.S/western countries and any other power should just look after their National interests first and foremost(especially when it concerns a close ally like the Philippines). I still don't see why the U.S strained it's relations with the country simply due to this drug war Duerte launched. In fact, it should have been the opposite , the U.S should have increase its relations with the Philippines instead, by selling even more arms and making or bucks. WIN-WIN relations.
Seems we need to encourage our American friends to do more business with whoever, as far as our defence companies can make money who cares about the casualties?

pragmatic at best, well its their own people who became the victims why we should make any concern about that

 

[TaiShang]

Lool.
To be honest though, I don't see why the U.S even cares about the crimes that might have been committed in Philippines drugs war. Who cares if innocent are killed as collateral damage? The U.S/western countries and any other power should just look after their National interests first and foremost(especially when it concerns a close ally like the Philippines). I still don't see why the U.S strained it's relations with the country simply due to this drug war Duerte launched. In fact, it should have been the opposite , the U.S should have increase its relations with the Philippines instead, by selling even more arms and making or bucks. WIN-WIN relations.
Seems we need to encourage our American friends to do more business with whoever, as far as our defence companies can make money who cares about the casualties?

Exactly. Why fake altruism? Do we care about the Americans killed in the US by their own police?

But US is not annoyed because they feel for collateral damage in the PH. If so, the same rule would apply to Yemen (think Saudi-US honeymoon ever since the UK was kicked out of the Middle East).

US does not care about innocent people getting killed by their weapons. In fact, at times, they encourage it. Or, they do it themselves.

US simply wanted to punish (or give message to) Duterte; but, they did this poorly and in an unprofessional way. Perhaps this is a direct result of the almost sick mentality of thinking themselves as the only "indispensable nation."

Well, the indispensability is no stronger than that of a diaper.

 

[lonelyman]

Lool.
To be honest though, I don't see why the U.S even cares about the crimes that might have been committed in Philippines drugs war. Who cares if innocent are killed as collateral damage? The U.S/western countries and any other power should just look after their National interests first and foremost(especially when it concerns a close ally like the Philippines). I still don't see why the U.S strained it's relations with the country simply due to this drug war Duerte launched. In fact, it should have been the opposite , the U.S should have increase its relations with the Philippines instead, by selling even more arms and making or bucks. WIN-WIN relations.
Seems we need to encourage our American friends to do more business with whoever, as far as our defence companies can make money who cares about the casualties?

I call it western arrogance, everyone must act according to USA likes it or not. I dictate terms which I think is best for you, not what do you think about yourself, because you inferior formal colony little brown brothers are incapable of doing that.

If you don't listen, you are a human rights abuser and criminal. You must have weapons of mass destruction, I'll drop some freedom and democracy bombs.

 

[xunzi]

Lool.
To be honest though, I don't see why the U.S even cares about the crimes that might have been committed in Philippines drugs war. Who cares if innocent are killed as collateral damage? The U.S/western countries and any other power should just look after their National interests first and foremost(especially when it concerns a close ally like the Philippines). I still don't see why the U.S strained it's relations with the country simply due to this drug war Duerte launched. In fact, it should have been the opposite , the U.S should have increase its relations with the Philippines instead, by selling even more arms and making or bucks. WIN-WIN relations.
Seems we need to encourage our American friends to do more business with whoever, as far as our defence companies can make money who cares about the casualties?

You really think the US care about the drug war in the Philippines? They have their own drug war in their own backyard with the Mexican cartel. They have been fighting the war for decades. The truth is the US wants to punish Duerte and his government for failing to stay with the US propaganda policy.

 

[AViet]

With Chinese and Russian arms back in 1960 - 1970s, North Vietnam taught the US troops and its puppet South Vietnam government a hard lesson. With Mig-15 from Russia, our pilots had more aces than the US air force during the war. With air-to-air missiles from Russia, even not the best one, as Russia did not provide us that kind of missile, together with experience and improved technology by our own scientists, we shot down the most advanced US aircrafts.

The most important thing in any war is the people, not weapons. History teaches us so. Why need to waste money for American weapons while they are not any more useful than others but more expensive.

And now as the Phillipines pivot to China, the strategic meaning of buying from the US is no longer.

 

[AndrewJin]

You really think the US care about the drug war in the Philippines? They have their own drug war in their own backyard with the Mexican cartel. They have been fighting the war for decades. The truth is the US wants to punish Duerte and his government for failing to stay with the US propaganda policy.

Those non-americo who have been brainwashed by corporate media are so naive, same type of people like trump and hillary supporters.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Last time I checked, Duterte is looking at Russia for weapons.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/148582/duterte-turns-to-russia-for-rifles

Though the report mentions SIG Sauer, so I guess the PH National Police is looking for the SIG M400 rifle.