U.S. Stands With an Ally, Eager for China to Join the Line

[jeypore]

since when has russia ever influenced our vote?

You need to read properly again...

Thanks, here the quote again:

And she (meaning Hilary Clinton, of course) is trying to corral support from Russia, which has often influenced how China votes in the United Nations Security Council.

 

[applesauce]

It is funny that you ask that question, especially in current UN council situations because the votes are equal. China is the the leverage for Russia, against US ofcourse. It is playing for it's own benefits also..

Without Russia, China has no power in UN Council because this stupid communist regime would have no power in todays world because communism is dead!!!!

no power.... any resolution takes only one veto to shoot down(though need majority to pass)

READ thats one veto, hmmm china has a veto, how interesting
(wont mention some other large country with billion+ population with no veto)

 

[deepak75]

In no case will China allow any damaging resolution for North Korea to go thru the UNSC. On the contrary, Chinese communist party will rather stick to its henchmen in North Korea.

The reason has been clear and simple that for every country that Chinese communist party think of as possible threat to their communist existence, they try to create a proxy. So South Korea, which can hurt China immensely economically (someone ask me why) and who's growth trajectory was always a worrying cause for the communist party of China, it becomes then necessary for the communist party to prop up North Korea to continue the resource drain from South Korea. The tension against Japan is of course a bonus.

For China, North Korea is South Korea's Pakistan and the Chinese communist party will not let any opportunity go to allow North Korea to function as it wants, though the refugee problem is dawning a little bit.... but then since when did the Communist party care for the people?

 

[Thomas]

the 400-page South Korean government report that concluded that the North torpedoed a South Korean warship,if this was done by North Korean,N-Korean should be punished,but the evidence is a "word" means "number 1"


But,it is hard to believe that the word wrote with a color pen is so clear after in the center of big explosion and immersing in sea water for 2 month~and South Korean denied the North Korean inspection team to check the torpedo~

The evidence is the torpedo remains not the word. Do you think Torpedoes all look alike? They were able to identify this particular torpedo from a North Koreans arms brochure.

 

[xuxu1457]

The evidence is the torpedo remains not the word. Do you think Torpedoes all look alike? They were able to identify this particular torpedo from a North Koreans arms brochure.

Right，but this is a doubt point,and the torpedo was found at the last day in Searching~~And personally these make me can't ensure this was done by N-Krean~~You know that US made Iraq war at the evidence of Iraq had Weapons of mass destruction,but fund nothing after war ~~

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

the 400-page South Korean government report that concluded that the North torpedoed a South Korean warship,if this was done by North Korean,N-Korean should be punished,but the evidence is a "word" means "number 1"

But,it is hard to believe that the word wrote with a color pen is so clear after in the center of big explosion and immersing in sea water for 2 month~and South Korean denied the North Korean inspection team to check the torpedo~

Damn it can get so rusty and calcification in a few weeks time....

 

[gambit]

Damn it can get so rusty and calcification in a few weeks time....

Yes...Salty water is much more conducive to oxidation than fresh water. Or is this more of Chinese fanboy 'physics'?

http://www.oldmarineengine.com/technical/corrosion_1.html

Seawater is a very harsh environment for iron objects. They will corrode 5 times faster in the sea than in freshwater and some 10 times faster than air of normal humidity.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem99/chem99311.htm

Question: Why does salt water make metals corrode faster?
j gordon

Answer:
Metals corrode because electrons are stolen from or donated to them by
other compounds in the neighborhood, typically other metals. When the
electrons are stolen or added, the metal atoms become charged and will
dissolve in the water. Naturally the process works better if the water
conducts electricity well so that the electrons can come from far away
sources as well as nearby. Salt water conducts better than fresh.
This is the simplest situation. Some metals form compounds with things
dissolved in the water, and this surface layer may protect them from
further reactions. People with boats, incidentally, often put
"sacrificial" pieces of aluminum near propellor shafts and suchlike because
aluminum tends to be eaten away in preference to iron. Also, in the
deep ocean bacteria eat iron and excrete it as rust.

 

[gambit]

if you say so lol. north korea is going nowhere.

NKR is going to hell...Ooopsss...NKR is already a hell on Earth.

S. Korea: China Will 'Defend No One' For Ship Sinking : NPR

May 28, 2010

China told South Korea on Friday that it will not defend whoever it determines was responsible for the sinking of a South Korean warship that killed 46 sailors, the South Korean government said.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao made the comments after meeting South Korean President Lee Myung-bak amid tensions with North Korea following the March 26 torpedo attack near the disputed sea border on the Korean peninsula.

China will decide its stance after considering international probes and the reactions of all countries, Wen told Lee, according to a briefing by presidential adviser Lee Dong-kwan. "China will defend no one" whatever the outcome may be, Wen also said, according to Lee.

Looks like the possibility of a unified Korea under SKRean rule is looking better.

 

[Thomas]

Right，but this is a doubt point,and the torpedo was found at the last day in Searching~~And personally these make me can't ensure this was done by N-Krean~~You know that US made Iraq war at the evidence of Iraq had Weapons of mass destruction,but fund nothing after war ~~

It isn't just the United states that examined the torpedo remains. Are you saying Sweden and the other countries are also in cahoots with the U.S.? not to mention the fact the torpedo is still available for any other country that wants to examine it.

 

[xuxu1457]

It isn't just the United states that examined the torpedo remains. Are you saying Sweden and the other countries are also in cahoots with the U.S.? not to mention the fact the torpedo is still available for any other country that wants to examine it.

I only can't ensure,this check is led by the South Korea，but I don't like the leader of N-korea too,they are crazy at some time~

 

[below_freezing]

It isn't just the United states that examined the torpedo remains. Are you saying Sweden and the other countries are also in cahoots with the U.S.? not to mention the fact the torpedo is still available for any other country that wants to examine it.

then why can't China and Russia examine it? North Korea also offered to examine it, why were they not allowed to?

 

[Thomas]

then why can't China and Russia examine it? North Korea also offered to examine it, why were they not allowed to?

can you provide a link please pertaining to this? and as far as North Korea examining it do you really expect them to say ohh yea, that's one of our torpedoes.

 

[contender]

China Hints at Shift on Ship-Sinking Stance
MAY 28, 2010,

Chinese Premier Wen, left, with South Korean President Lee, greet flag-waving children ahead of a meeting Friday that ran an hour longer than expected and covered the Cheonan issue.

By EVAN RAMSTAD
SEOUL—Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao offered the first hint that Beijing could begin shifting from weeks of fence-sitting over the sinking of a South Korean warship, telling South Korea's leader that China won't prevent penalties for whoever is responsible for the deadly incident.

.Mr. Wen's comments Friday, related by South Korean officials, stopped well short of conceding the involvement of China's longtime ally North Korea. Seoul has concluded that Pyongyang sank its patrol boat Cheonan on March 26, killing 46 South Korean sailors. Beijing's failure to accept that finding has angered officials and the public in South Korea.

Journal Community
..In a summit meeting in Seoul, Mr. Wen told South Korean President Lee Myung-bak that China will investigate the sinking and said, without naming North Korea, that Beijing "will not protect anyone." The two men discussed the Cheonan matter at the presidential Blue House a day ahead of a three-way summit meeting that will also include Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama.

The United Nations, meanwhile, is preparing to accuse North Korea of using "shell companies," "false description of goods" and doctored manifests to hide its continued involvement in nuclear and ballistic missile activities in Iran, Syria and Myanmar, in violation of U.N. Security Council resolutions, according to an unpublished U.N. report reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

The report, ordered last year and conducted by a panel of U.N. experts, analyzed cases of North Korean weapons shipments seized recently in the United Arab Emirates and Thailand. It said the U.N. should study these violations further and urged nations to give "special attention" to "inhibit such activities."

"We remain concerned that the DPRK continues to engage in illicit arms transactions, particularly because there is strong evidence that the revenue from these transactions in turn fuels their illicit nuclear and proliferation programs," a Western diplomat said.

Mr. Wen's comments still leave China maneuvering room. China's state-run news agency reported on the meeting but didn't mention Mr. Wen's statement that China wouldn't protect anyone. Still, the comments move Beijing beyond its previous stance that it is assessing the Cheonan incident and that all sides should show restraint.

China is North Korea's biggest international supporter and its position following South Korea's allegations has been closely scrutinized. U.S. officials, after meetings in Beijing this week, said they expected China to move cautiously toward saying that the North is responsible.

Also Friday, North Korea made its highest-level accusation that South Korea had fabricated its charges against the North, the Associated Press reported. North Korea has made similar statements before, but Friday's response came at a rare news conference held by the National Defense Commission, North's most powerful organ, chaired by authoritarian leader Kim Jong Il.

"The South Korean puppet regime's faked sinking of the Cheonan has created a very serious situation on the Korean peninsula, pushing it toward the brink of war," the agency quoted Maj. Gen. Pak Rim Su, director of the commission's department of policy, as telling the conference.


In Seoul, Messrs. Lee and Wen were originally scheduled to meet for 30 minutes, but they continued talking for more than an hour and a half. Mr. Lee explained some of the reasons South Korea believes North Korea is responsible.

"China has been consistent in an effort to achieve peace and security on the Korean peninsula, and we oppose and condemn any action to destroy them," Lee Dong-kwan, Mr. Lee's spokesman, quoted Mr. Wen as saying. The premier, he said, added: "The Chinese government will decide on this issue in an objective and fair way after assessing what's right and what's wrong."

The summit meeting—and the one with Mr. Hatoyama this weekend—was planned before the sinking, but the issue has become a major one for the three countries. They worked with Russia and the U.S. for years to persuade Mr. Kim to halt the country's pursuit of nuclear weapons and open up economically.

Mr. Lee hoped to persuade Mr. Wen to support South Korea's effort to seek penalties against North Korea at the U.N. Security Council, where China, one of five permanent members, has the power to veto actions.

Japanese officials said they would support Seoul's stance on the sinking, though they didn't expect the issue to dominate the three-way summit, which will take place Saturday and Sunday on South Korea's Jeju Island.

"We believe the three countries have the same goal on how to stabilize the situation in North Korea," a Japanese official said in Tokyo.

Also on the agenda for the three-way meeting are the international economic scene, the prospect for a trilateral free-trade agreement and encouraging student exchanges between the countries.

Separately, South Korea on Friday signaled a way to ease the tension with North Korea that grew after its formal accusation last week and imposition of penalties this week.

A senior government official said the South will reconsider its plan to blast messages across the inter-Korean border via banks of loudspeakers if North Korea apologizes for the sinking or at least responds with something more reasonable than its typical bombastic statements.

Of all the penalties South Korea said it would impose on the North for sinking the Cheonan warship, North Korea has most sharply criticized the South's plan to reactivate Cold War-style propaganda blasts across the border, also known as the Demilitarized Zone. Pyongyang even said it might shut down the Kaesong Industrial Complex, the biggest economic project between the two countries.

"If North Korea changes their behavior and tries to apologize and give us some responsible responses, in that case we can reconsider or reduce some bilateral measures against North Korea," said the senior South Korean government official, speaking on condition of anonymity to a small group of reporters.

North Korea is seen as unlikely to apologize, and instead has sought an apology from Mr. Lee for "escalating confrontation."

But South Korea's leaders were encouraged, the official said, when North Korea announced retaliatory measures Tuesday that didn't include closing the industrial complex. He added North Korea may use the complex as a bargaining chip and, in the worst case, take hostage the South Koreans who work there.

"In that case, we also have to use the military and extreme measures to rescue those hostages," the official said. "We conveyed that message to North Korea already. They know this is a very dangerous option for them."

He said South Korean leaders believed that a close reading of North Korea retaliation statement showed they were "very calm" and "careful." "North Korea also has very careful judgment and tried not to really upgrade this situation to an uncontrollable military conflict," the official said.

—Joe Lauria at the United Nations, Yoree Koh in Tokyo, Jaeyeon Woo in Seoul and Jason Dean in Beijing contributed to this article.China Hints at Shift on Ship-Sinking Stance - WSJ.com