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U.S. Plan to Overthrow China's Government

a good reason to not keep it up is because, we are doing 2 things:

selling goods to americans
and borrowing them money to buy from us.

in the end it turns out to be we are paying them to buy from us, and the end result is americans get things for free. that isn't business, that is robbery.

How to be a superpower in five steps:
1) Build a strong military with power projection
2) Control the world's sea lanes of communications and being dominant player on all security issues
3) As you underwrite the world order, your currency will become the global reserve currency and have oil quoted in your currency. So you effectively can print both gold and oil.
4) Consume, consume and consume. Let others buy your debt
5) Print more money to inflate away your debt so you can continue to build military
 
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Sampanviking said:
The old belief of the West until recently was that China was a "Prison State" and that given a taste or even the smell of freedom that they would rise up against the Communist Party.

The plan with the Tibetans and Uighurs was doubtless to light the spark that spread to the rest of China and thereby achieve the objective. This was a view that prevailed really until 2008 when the total failure of even large numbers of Tibetans to rise, killed this myth once and for all. The uprising that occurred was a callous and vicious fizzle and has to all intents and purposes ended Free Tibet as a consequential force in Chinese politics. This was rerun a year later in Xinjiang with almost identical results (hampered further by antagonists that were far less sympathetically viewed in the West).

This is a hand that is almost played out, but the US has only one more card to play. As it has not entirely abandoned this strategy, it seems to be hoping that if it can continue to provoke low importance uprisings in the West, that the CCP will respond so disproportionately that this will generate an anti Government backlash among the Han population. It seems like desperation but should not be treated to lightly as a danger.

The main objective of installing a Democratic and US dominated Government and hence the central attention on the Western Minorities is [to] carve away the Western Provinces, damaging much of China's strategic depth and depriving it of the untapped resources of the region and isolating China from the energy fields and communication routes of central Asia.

Personally I see little likelihood of success and current GDP projections show China overtaking the US between 2023 and 2025. More importantly we can also see that China is a far more efficient manager than the US, as China still maintains a low tax economy but still manages to generate half as much tax income than the US but from an economy only a third the size but currently growing at 10 times the speed.

As Sampanviking points out, the United States is trying to cut off China's oil supply route from Central Asia.
 
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a good reason to not keep it up is because, we are doing 2 things:

selling goods to americans
and borrowing them money to buy from us.

in the end it turns out to be we are paying them to buy from us, and the end result is americans get things for free. that isn't business, that is robbery.

China buys time. US ability to buy from China means it will be more careful with Chinese interests. It's not in china's interest to deny US ability to do business with china. Beside the proportion of the economy related to export to US is overrated.

US may be addicted to selling bonds. It is not something China forced on them, but maybe this is the new opium?

And the thing is its an opium for the US government, not so much the average americans.
 
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I say screw these satanic illuminati, our planet is on the verge of destruction because of these blood sucking parasites. They are 100000000 times worse than communism.
 
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China buys time. US ability to buy from China means it will be more careful with Chinese interests. It's not in china's interest to deny US ability to do business with china. Beside the proportion of the economy related to export to US is overrated.

US may be addicted to selling bonds. It is not something China forced on them, but maybe this is the new opium?

And the thing is its an opium for the US government, not so much the average americans.

yes, that's why it is robbery. we are like a shopkeeper paying protection money to the mafia boss. eventually, everyone that's paying protection money would get tired and gang up to beat the s* out of the mafia boss.
 
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Technologically, economically and above all in terms of human development HDI there are still huge gaps. China is not even any where near the way USSR challenged USA. But I think after 15 years China will definitely throw a challenge to USA in terms of economic power but will be far behind in military. Again USA is part of NATO.
 
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China and USSR followed very different paths.
Had china tried the russian way without economic tying it would have been isolated and sactioned like another N Korea..

Despite the fact that china is not as powerful as USSR was, to move against china now will shook US more than against USSR.

China was wise not to rise the russian way and Deng was more than wise to open up to foreign business.
 
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The U.S. attempt to destabilize China is rational. The U.S. does not want to see the emergence of another country with global influence and power. The problem is how do you prevent the emergence of a near-peer.

Against a mature thermonuclear power like China, military means don't make sense. The other choice is to destabilize China's society and cause a change in government from the inside through her own people.

The attempts at fostering Tibetan and Uighur rebellions failed. The number of Tibetans and Uighurs is simply too small to make a difference among China's 1.3 billion Han citizens. The U.S. has now recognized that the key is to "capture" the minds of young Hans. If the U.S. can successfully bring about an uncensored Chinese internet, the U.S. can directly communicate the benefits of two-party rule to young Hans.

If the U.S. is successful in bringing about two-party rule in China then China will devolve into an inefficient government. There is an example of two-party ethnic-Chinese rule on Taiwan. I cringe every time that I see the KMT and DPP legislators fight (i.e. hair-pulling, punching, kicking, food-throwing, chair-throwing, screaming, etc.) on tv and aired in the BBC video section.

Anyway, the U.S. goal is to end efficient one-party rule in China and change it to a messy two-party rule. The two parties will be too busy fighting each other instead of governing the country. Beyond that, the ruling party would have little energy or time to think about the United States.

The prototype for changing a government is Gorbachev's glasnost and perestroika. Gorbachev was trying to save the Soviet Union. He believed that if he unleashed "free speech/openness" and economic "restructuring" then Russia could leap ahead of China's incremental reforms and modernize more quickly. It turns out that modernizing a large economy is not that simple. However, Gorbachev's policies did manage to overthrow the Soviet regime and lead to its replacement with Yeltsin's Russia.

In the Ukraine and Georgia, the United States experimented and sought to replace the autocratic regimes of Ukraine and Georgia. By funding and using its influence through non-governmental organizations (i.e. NGOs), the United States successfully overthrew the governments of Ukraine and Georgia in the Orange and Rose revolutions.

However, the Chinese government was also watching the experiment. After seeing its efficacy, the Chinese government responded by restricting the activities of NGOs on its soil to prevent a similar social disruption.

There is an important difference between Chinese society and the societies in Russia, Ukraine, and Georgia. The people in Russia, Ukraine, and Georgia wanted to change their governments and way of life because they thought it would help them modernize and attain West European living standards.

Instead of a better life, Yeltsin's Russian economy collapsed by 50% and the Russian people were living in misery. Yeltsin resigned as president and autocratic Putin restored order to Russia. Gorbachev's glasnost and perestroika failed.

Similarly, in the Ukraine, a pro-Western government could not solve the corruption and failing Ukrainian economy. President Yushchenko has already lost in the first round of his reelection. He will be replaced by a more pro-Russian Yanukovich or Timoshenko. The Orange revolution has failed.

The Rose revolution in Georgia brought a pro-Western Saakashvili to power. Saakashvili launched an unwise military attack on Russian peacekeepers. Georgia incurred severe military, political, and economic damage in its war with Russia. Russia has effectively annexed 20% of Georgian territory in the former Georgian provinces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The Rose revolution has failed.

Chinese citizens have seen the economic misery that the people in Russia, Ukraine, and Georgia have suffered. Most Chinese people are not interested in overthrowing the effective CCP government. During the past 30 years, the CCP has delivered 9% annual economic growth. No sane citizenry would want to change a government with 30 years of experience in creating unparalleled economic growth.

U.S. attempts to create a "color" revolution (i.e. orange or rose) in China are unlikely to succeed. China has already been modernizing for thirty years. With the Chinese bullet trains, everyone can see that China's modernization is accelerating. The CCP has delivered economic prosperity, political stability, and gradual improvements in personal freedoms. Among the Chinese people, the approval rating for the CCP is between 80% to 90%.

Like most mature and stable countries, whether it's the U.S., China, Japan, or Germany, outsiders cannot really change the society and domestic affairs of China. The United States should try a new strategy.

I recommend fixing America's economic problems and federal budget deficit and debt. The best course of action is for America to negotiate with China from a position of economic strength and let the Chinese people decide on their own preference of domestic political structure. Trying to convince the Chinese to adopt a Yeltsin, Yushchenko, or Saakashvili type of government is never going to work.

I guess the only solution left for USA to live or survive in this world is to leave the devilz path and embrace Islam truly and do TAUBAH from his evil deeds comitted in the PAST otherwise they will be burried alive under the burden of their own evil deeds inshallah..There will be no US along with its evil allyz on the face of the earth soon and very soon Insha-Allah.:)
 
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I guess the only solution left for USA to live or survive in this world is to leave the devilz path and embrace Islam truly and do TAUBAH from his evil deeds comitted in the PAST otherwise they will be burried alive under the burden of their own evil deeds inshallah..There will be no US along with its evil allyz on the face of the earth soon and very soon Insha-Allah.:)

Allah ho Akbhar
 
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