U.S. Navy's new $13B aircraft carrier can't fight

[ebrahym]

Criticize as much as you can but at the end you can only envy them.....same with F-35. 'Sour grapes'

damn right bro .....

 

[Abba_Dabba_Jabba]

don't comment on things you have no clue about..

Ohhh for gods sake, guys plzz try to understand it was a sarcastic statement...

 

[MilSpec]

Ohhh for gods sake, guys plzz try to understand it was a sarcastic statement...

ohh my bad then...

 

[Godman]

This is a revolutinary ship and many technologies used in it has never been used before in active service so problems in the early stages are expected

 

[Oldman1]

This is a revolutinary ship and many technologies used in it has never been used before in active service so problems in the early stages are expected

On points, and one they fix it, the rest of the ship class will go through quickly and less problems. Of course they planned for new technologies, so doesn't surprise me if the next ship may have problems each time they introduce something new. No carrier is exactly the same.

 

[UKBengali]

To replace old ones. As the sole super power in the world, it is in US interests to keep shipping lanes open and under US naval watch. This is a similar reason to why China itself is building a naval force itself, once that I expect may rival the US within 40-60 years.

20 years is far more likely scenario.

Look at the rate of growth of the Chinese GDP relative to the US and the fact that they are building aircraft
carriers and destroyers at a faster rate than the US.

Too many people overestimate US power relative to China.

 

[That Guy]

20 years is far more likely scenario.

Look at the rate of growth of the Chinese GDP relative to the US and the fact that they are building aircraft
carriers and destroyers at a faster rate than the US.

Too many people overestimate US power relative to China.

I'd say that too many people UNDERestimate the US. The Americans aren't just sitting around, doing nothing, they're actively developing and spending an enormous amount of resources on newer hardware and software.

The US economy is starting to pick up pace, once again, so it's not like the US is going to remain stagnant.

 

[UKBengali]

I'd say that too many people UNDERestimate the US. The Americans aren't just sitting around, doing nothing, they're actively developing and spending an enormous amount of resources on newer hardware and software.

The US economy is starting to pick up pace, once again, so it's not like the US is going to remain stagnant.

Nope, US growth is down to 1% a year and Chinese is at 7% a year.
The relative decline in Chinese growth rates compared to US has not happened as predicted by Western
organisations.

Chinese economy will be at least twice as large as the US economy in real terms by 2030 and you predict that
US will hold the military advantage for another 50 years. This is simply not logical.

 

[Nike]

the thing is, US had developed their military for let to say since their Civil War began, they had mastering the skills and arts to building complex military machines and industry to support their military, coupled with centuries old traditions and fighting experiences on global scale without interrupted, something the Chinese can't catch immediately

 

[F-22Raptor]

Nope, US growth is down to 1% a year and Chinese is at 7% a year.
The relative decline in Chinese growth rates compared to US has not happened as predicted by Western
organisations.

Chinese economy will be at least twice as large as the US economy in real terms by 2030 and you predict that
US will hold the military advantage for another 50 years. This is simply not logical.

China's growth rates relative to the US has been in decline since 2010 and will do so again this year. China has been unable to close the gap in dollar output in the last two years alone. As China's growth rate and demographics continue to decline year by year, that growth rate gap will close even further. An as the US military begins its full scale recapitalization over the next twenty years, the US will have the economic means, military capability, and network of allies to project power right up to the shores of China. China can't even dominate its own region, let alone challenge the US globally.

 

[jhungary]

20 years is far more likely scenario.

Look at the rate of growth of the Chinese GDP relative to the US and the fact that they are building aircraft
carriers and destroyers at a faster rate than the US.

Too many people overestimate US power relative to China.

You cannot build 200 ships (10 of those are supercarrier) in just 20 years.no matter how rich your country was, ships and equipment will not appear just out of a snap of a finger. That is the first thing you need to realise.

Secondly, you can think of building the same force to match the US, but you have to answer this question

"Where do you put them when they are not in use?"

US have 4 large naval bases in both side of the US Seaboards, + Hawaii + Guam + Diego Garcia + overseas/alliance secondary bases that can service the ship they use now. China have a single coast line, which have 2 bases plus Hainan Island, and no overseas bases, how do you put 10 Carrier Battle Group in the 2 bases you have?

China cannot challenge US globally, may be Regionally, but most definitely not globally, and it is unreasonable to ask China to challenge the US on American side of the Pacific.

Also, most people failed to see most of the US defence budget gone to R&D and hoping to stay ahead in both quality and number, about 4/5 of the budget used to research and development, they can dump this idea anytime and focus on material production if China caught up or sped over the technology edge.

 

[Nike]

You cannot build 200 ships (10 of those are supercarrier) in just 20 years.no matter how rich your country was, ships and equipment will not appear just out of a snap of a finger. That is the first thing you need to realise.

Secondly, you can think of building the same force to match the US, but you have to answer this question

"Where do you put them when they are not in use?"

US have 4 large naval bases in both side of the US Seaboards, + Hawaii + Guam + Diego Garcia + overseas/alliance secondary bases that can service the ship they use now. China have a single coast line, which have 2 bases plus Hainan Island, and no overseas bases, how do you put 10 Carrier Battle Group in the 2 bases you have?

China cannot challenge US globally, may be Regionally, but most definitely not globally, and it is unreasonable to ask China to challenge the US on American side of the Pacific.

Also, most people failed to see most of the US defence budget gone to R&D and hoping to stay ahead in both quality and number, about 4/5 of the budget used to research and development, they can dump this idea anytime and focus on material production if China caught up or sped over the technology edge.

one thing they failed to see is

US is still ahead in some high tech manufacturing production, like automobile industry, robotic industry, military Naval industry and finally Aerospace/aviation industry. The total aircraft manufacturing output of US of A alone can't be matched by the rest of the world combined and considering the status of most European Nation with their Airbus consortium as US allies, the most likely scenario in any contingency situation and crisis, US and her Allies can easily outmatch and outperform their wannabe enemies in the future in any category of military production...

 

[Hellfire]

Ohhh for gods sake, guys plzz try to understand it was a sarcastic statement...

dont make them .. you came out looking ridiculous.

On point, our frontline warships were puffing to catch up in joint exercises with US. The US carrier ops started at 0400 hrs local time and they simply increased speed to 35 knots and Indian warships were on edge of performance in keeping at stations. And these am talking of our Talwar class!!!

They may be open about the kinks they have in their technology, but they hide more than they show.

And if anyone in this forum thinks that either China or Russia are in their class, those people need a serious head check .... their capabilities far outclass anything around .. and they are maintaining the lead .

@jhungary Spot on .. as usual!

@That Guy precisely as you posted. I really fail to understand why anyone assumes that US is simply sitting and twiddling its thumb waiting for the rest of the world (read China and Russia) to catch up in technology and capability? That is one unique example of a country where innovation has found nurturing ... the best and the brightest brains from across the globe head there. And the way they have entered into technology development, sharing and evolution partnerships with nations over decades, simply allows them to marshal resources for greater advancement than say China or Russia which have to develop the bulk of technology on their own thereby severely limiting resource mobilisation on a similar scale.

 

[That Guy]

Nope, US growth is down to 1% a year and Chinese is at 7% a year.
The relative decline in Chinese growth rates compared to US has not happened as predicted by Western
organisations.

Chinese economy will be at least twice as large as the US economy in real terms by 2030 and you predict that
US will hold the military advantage for another 50 years. This is simply not logical.

I'm pretty sure us growth was actually above 2% and China at 6%.

Regardless, the US is a consumer market economy, it's growth percentage will always be lower. China is also transitioning to a consumer based economy, which is why we're also seeing a slow down within the Chinese economy as well, but there HAS been a major slow down. China went from 7-8%+ to 6.6% and is likely going to be even lower next year.

Military advantage has little to do with how how big your nation ppp gdp is, rather how you utilize your cash.

Israel has a tiny population, and a very small gdp, as compared to, say KSA, but we both know whom has the actual military advantage.

 

[Godman]

Nope, US growth is down to 1% a year and Chinese is at 7% a year.
The relative decline in Chinese growth rates compared to US has not happened as predicted by Western
organisations.

Chinese economy will be at least twice as large as the US economy in real terms by 2030 and you predict that
US will hold the military advantage for another 50 years. This is simply not logical.

GDP growth isnt a big deal for developed advanced economics as long as they are not in recession.
In the US unemployement is falling rapidly and wages are going up and most the new jobs are high quality.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/06/business/economy/jobs-report-unemployment-wages.html?_r=0
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/05/us-jobs-recovery-keeps-getting-stronger-and-job-quality-is-good.html

US also spends a large amount on R&D for technologies that are beyond the reach of rival superpowers and many US defence companies also privately fund R&D which is outside the spending statistics

US military is currently undergoing a massive modernization prgramme and I see this to increase regradless of the next US president.