U.S. intelligence had suspected that Mohammad Omar was ill in Pakistan

[Providence]

Omar was a terrorist who gave refuge to a fellow terrorist. Omar must be glad that he won't have to miss Osama anymore now that they are in "hell" together.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Omar was a terrorist who gave refuge to a fellow terrorist. Omar must be glad that he won't have to miss Osama anymore now that they are in "hell" together.

Terrorism and terrorists is similar to game of musical chairs only that people die. One time good guy's become terrorists and then the terrorists of yesterday become good guy's. Let us look at some famous examples of terrorists turn good guy's.

Ariel Sharon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Haganah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and

Martin McGuinness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Martin McGuinness: From IRA chief to deputy Northern Ireland First Minister - Telegraph


Then you can have contra flow also.

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This depends on your politics. Now her is a question for you. Was George Washington a terrorist?

 

[Providence]

Terrorism and terrorists is similar to game of musical chairs only that people die. One time good guy's become terrorists and then the terrorists of yesterday become good guy's. Let us look at some famous examples of terrorists turn good guy's.

Ariel Sharon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Haganah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and

Martin McGuinness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Martin McGuinness: From IRA chief to deputy Northern Ireland First Minister - Telegraph


Then you can have contra flow also.

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This depends on your politics. Now her is a question for you. Was George Washington a terrorist?

No. The definition of terrorist is abundantly clear - killing innocent civilians and declaring war on a state. Omar was asked through official channels to throw Osama's *** out of afganisthan. He didn't. Got killed consequently. As simple as that.

My take is he already died long time back in one of the US bombings. The news has just been strategically released. Won't go into speculation much.

 

[Spectre]

Terrorism and terrorists is similar to game of musical chairs only that people die. One time good guy's become terrorists and then the terrorists of yesterday become good guy's. Let us look at some famous examples of terrorists turn good guy's.

Ariel Sharon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Haganah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and

Martin McGuinness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Martin McGuinness: From IRA chief to deputy Northern Ireland First Minister - Telegraph


Then you can have contra flow also.

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Taliban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This depends on your politics. Now her is a question for you. Was George Washington a terrorist?

I have a few questions.

Do you endorse Taliban's brutality towards women?

Video: Taliban shoot woman 9 times in public execution as men cheer - CNN.com
I. The Taliban's War Against Women

Do endorse Taliban's brutality towards children?

The barbarity of the Taliban plumbed new depths when troops shot dead eight boys for daring to laugh, sickened refugees revealed yesterday. The teenage lads had been chuckling at the soldiers who suddenly raised their Kalashnikov rifles and gunned them down. It was one of a string of atrocities in the besieged Afghanistan city of Kunduz, which was last night poised to fall to the Northern Alliance. At least 300 frightened Taliban were killed by men from their own side because they wanted to surrender.” (Source: The Sun [U.K.], 11/19/01)

Do you endorse Taliban's terrorism against civlians?

January 1998 — In the Western province of Faryab, the Taliban massacred approximately 600 Uzbek villageres. Western aid workers who later investigated the incident said civilians were dragged from their homes, lined up and gunned down. (Source: Department of Defense)

Do you endorse Taliban's Policy of Genocide?

“The BBC has confirmed that the central Afghan town of Bamiyan was totally destroyed by the Taleban before they fled over the weekend. Evidence has also emerged of Bosnian-style ethnic cleansing in the region involving the execution of hundreds of local ethnic Hazara men.” (Source: BBC News, 11/13/01)

Can you give sources of similar crimes committed by George Washington and Charles De Gaulle?

I am just trying to understand your view which makes you bat for the most heinous and disgusting group of people to have walked the earth.

Regards

 

[Indus Pakistan]

No. The definition of terrorist is abundantly clear - killing innocent civilians and declaring war on a state.

Indeed. The definition is clear, concise and precise to the person making that judgement. It is a subjective abstraction of facts. The problem is the next guy might have another abstraction. Thus the saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". Therefore contrary to what you say it is not "abundantly clear".

By your own definition you just "self declared" Bush Jr a terrorist. He declared war and many innocent civilian's died. That sounds ever so nasty so let us call it "collateral damage".

Omar was asked through official channels to throw Osama's *** out of afganisthan. He didn't. Got killed consequently. As simple as that.

Yes, he was. Omar was head of state, he refused. That did not make him a terrorist anymore than a country not handing over a prisoner to another country with whom no extradition treaty exists. I am sure your versed in the intricacies of extradition. That might not have been a smart move but it was lot a illegal or terrorist move.

If China asked US to hand over the a*ss of xyz and US refused would it mean that US government is guilty of whatever xyz might be accused of?

My take is he already died long time back in one of the US bombings. The news has just been strategically released. Won't go into speculation much.

Yes, he probably was dead some time ago.

Ps. OBL case was differant. OBL was not head of a state like Mullah Omar. OBL was head of a non state outfit therefore it fell within the normative definition of terrorism.

@Spectre Stop please playing to the gallery here. I am a left leaning liberal, secularist. Me and Mullah Omar would end up throttling each other if we had ever come within two feet of each other. No, I don't condone anything Taliban got upto in Afghanistan.

However does India have diplomatic relations with Saudia Arabia? Do you condone beheading? Do you condone women beng kept in servititude? By that benchmark half of the worlds regimes should be sanctioned. So please spare me the typical nursery moral bull*. It makes for good sountdbites on Fox news.

 

[Spectre]

@Spectre Stop please playing to the gallery here. I am a left leaning liberal, secularist. Me and Mullah Omar would end up throttling each other if we had ever come within two feet of each other. No, I don't condone anything Taliban got upto in Afghanistan.

However does India have diplomatic relations with Saudia Arabia? Do you condone beheading? Do you condone women beng kept in servititude? By that benchmark half of the worlds regimes should be sanctioned. So please spare me the typical nursery moral bull*. It makes for good sountdbites on Fox news.

It is good to know that we share similar views and my post wasn't meant for galleries but was specially directed at you as from my limited understanding based on your comments on this thread I took you for a Taliban apologist or worse sympathizer. Morals should never be sacrificed at the altar of convenience my friend.

Regarding India's relationship with Saudi Arabia, I don't condone and find then reprehensible, you won't ever see me triumphing the cause of Saudi Arabia either.

I agree there are many countries in the world with animals for regimes but calling it half the world is exaggeration.

 

[Bratva]

Taliban did not do 9/11, and who did it, it remains unproven. Mullah Omar asked Americans for proof against OBL's alleged involvement and Americans refused to provide for either they never had any such proof or were too arrogant to do that. Mullah Omar sacrificed his government but kept his promise, promise of a true gentleman. America invaded Afghanistan and since then his men are fighting invaders just like Vietnamese fought, or Iraqi insurgents did.

And as far as Americans declaring everybody, who does not happen to toe their line, as terrorist is concerned, George Washington, the father of USA, was declared as terrorist by the British (against whom Washington was fighting) so lets not go into this joke of declaring terrorist for it means nothing.

Back in the day, Even southerns fighting against Abraham lincoln were terrorists.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It is good to know that we share similar views and my post wasn't meant for galleries but was specially directed at you as from my limited understanding based on your comments on this thread I took you for a Taliban apologist or worse sympathizer. Morals should never be sacrificed at the altar of convenience my friend.

Regarding India's relationship with Saudi Arabia, I don't condone and find then reprehensible, you won't ever see me triumphing the cause of Saudi Arabia either.

I agree there are many countries in the world with animals for regimes but calling it half the world is exaggeration.

Problem is there is little room for moralty in referance to geopolitics. There never was and never will be. Go ask Macchiavelli or Chanakya. At this level we have to cut deals with and befriend people who you privately might be disgusted with.

 

[Spectre]

Problem is there is little room for moralty in referance to geopolitics. There never was and never will be. Go ask Macchiavelli or Chanakya. At this level we have to cut deals with and befriend people who you privately might be disgusted with.

Sorry I don't think you are getting my point. I was not talking about Govt or countries here but you and me as individuals. My comments were not a reflection on Pakistan but on you.

You clarified your individual stance and I am happy with that.

I agree with everything you have said about Realpolitiks and at a certain level understand some of the choices our Govt's have made for Eg Pakistan's history with Taliban and India's flirtation with Myanmar but that doesn't mean I personally have to like it or endorse it.