Type 054A FFG News & Discussions

LKJ86 · Jul 15, 2021

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TheDarkKnight · Nov 6, 2021

luciferdd said:
With 4 new X-band fire-control AESE Radar,the new 054A can laungh the 70KM+range HQ-16C now. That's enough for a low-cost FFG.

Can you elaborate more on this? Is it installed on type54p ?

luciferdd · Nov 6, 2021

TheDarkKnight said:
Can you elaborate more on this? Is it installed on type54p ?

PN did not order HQ-16C

iLION12345_1 · Nov 6, 2021

luciferdd said:
With 4 new X-band fire-control AESE Radar,the new 054A can laungh the 70KM+range HQ-16C now. That's enough for a low-cost FFG.

Except HQ-16C doesn’t currently exist, it’s still under development. So it can’t fire them yet.

TheDarkKnight said:
Can you elaborate more on this? Is it installed on type54p ?

luciferdd said:
PN did not order HQ-16C

PN did not order HQ-16C, because it doesn’t exist yet. It’s not used on PLAN 054A either, they also use HQ-16A just like PNs ships.
However there have been some sources and rumors confirming it’s development or testing. It’s Likely that PLAN will introduce it in the future and PN might also buy the upgrade for its Chinese origin ships later on.

luciferdd · Nov 6, 2021

iLION12345_1 said:
Except HQ-16C doesn’t currently exist, it’s still under development. So it can’t fire them yet.

PN did not order HQ-16C, because it doesn’t exist yet. It’s not used on PLAN 054A either, they also use HQ-16A just like PNs ships.
However there have been some sources and rumors confirming it’s development or testing. It’s Likely that PLAN will introduce it in the future and PN might also buy the upgrade for its Chinese origin ships later on.

New AESE FC-radar on the new batch 054AG are fit for HQ-16C，in fact the range of HHQ-16 is limited by the old AJK-16 FC-radar.

iLION12345_1 · Nov 6, 2021

luciferdd said:
New AESE FC-radar on the new batch 054AG are fit for HQ-16C，in fact the range of HHQ-16 is limited by the old AJK-16 FC-radar.

The HQ-16C system itself does not exist (in production or use).…I don’t see how the upgraded radars are relevant to this discussion.
Even if the radars are upgraded to increase the capability of the HQ-16A currently present on the ships (which i’m sure they do), it doesn’t turn the SAM system into HQ-16C (or B).
Hence it doesn’t solve some of the basic problems of the HQ-16A system that come with its age, only HQ-16C itself will solve those, and I’m sure we’ll see that sooner or later.

luciferdd · Nov 6, 2021

iLION12345_1 said:
The HQ-16C system itself does not exist (in production or use).…I don’t see how the upgraded radars are relevant to this discussion.
Even if the radars are upgraded to increase the capability of the HQ-16A currently present on the ships (which i’m sure they do), it doesn’t turn the SAM system into HQ-16C (or B).
Hence it doesn’t solve some of the basic problems of the HQ-16A system that come with its age, only HQ-16C itself will solve those, and I’m sure we’ll see that sooner or later.

I know your means pro,but i didn't say HHQ-16C is working now at the existing ships too....PLN didn't want to change much to the old 054A to acquire more air defense range at the last five-years plan until the latest five-year plan is begining at 2021.So does the hhq-16c will in service with new batch 054AG at the same time after 2~3 years.

Super Falcon · Dec 7, 2021

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Shotgunner51 · Dec 21, 2021

Differences between Pakistan Navy’s Type-054A/P & PLAN’s Type-054A

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In November 2021, Pakistan Navy commissioned PNS Tughril (Type-054AP), first ship of its class in a ceremony held in Hodong Xing shipyard Shanghai.

From visuals the PNS Tughril (261) looked clearly different from the Type-054 Alpha class of PLAN. The differences can be easily noted in electrical and armament systems of both ships.

Here we will discuss the main differences and most importantly the factors leading to these differences.

Electrical differences

Major differences between Tughril class and Type-054A electrical system are due to differences in air situational awareness system.

Search Radar

Tughril class uses a more advanced SR-2410C AESA radar as main search Radar compared to H/CJQ-382 air warning radar which equips the Type-054A. SR-2410C is a AESA radar with full X&Y axis electronic scanning mechanically rotation for a full 360° view and strong anti-jamming capabilities. It provides a large situational awareness, tracking many targets at a single time.

Factors for this change are because Pakistan navy won’t face similar threats as PLAN. The threat perceptive for PN will be more likely from Indian supersonic BrahMos missile rather than high flying bombers and UAV.

SR-2410C has a rectangular shape and have wider array than it is taller which means more horizontal elements suited for back-and-forth scanning. It means Type-2410C is more suitable for scanning fast moving and low flyer targets near the surface like BrahMos.

Additional VHF radar (Type-517)

In addition, a VHF radar is installed on Tughril class which is unavailable on Type-054A but can be seen on bigger PLAN ships like Type-052C and newer Type-052DL.

The Type-517 export variant is placed on a pyramid pedestal at back of ship. The original Type-054 have this pedestal which uses it to sit Type-347 CIWS radar.

This VHF radar can detect highflyers at longer range, can also detect LO and VLO and can also queue other radars to the targets for more precise movement.

Pakistan navy is familiar with this radar as it’s operational with the F22P class frigates. Compared to Type-517 its export variant for Pakistan Navy has more elements which are closely packed together in configuration of 2×8 elements while PLAN ships have 2×6 configuration.

Independent CIWS radar

In original Type-054 a single Type-347 radar controls fours AK-630 CIWS system while Tughril class have self-contained CIWS in each side with each having its own Type-347 radar mounted on top of turret.

EW Suite

Tughril class have relatively a new electronic warfare suite than Type-054A. Tughril class have latest Type-726-3 ECM and Type-721-1 ESM. Type-054A have older 751 ESM which is likely to be changed to its latest variant in newly built ships and under MLU in older ones.

Sonar system

Tughril class have Type-311 or H/SJG-311 towed array active and passive Sonar while older Type-054 had H/SJG-206 towed array sonar which were all passive however newer ones are equipped with Type-311.

Differences in weapon systems

In surface warfare capabilities the Tughril class is equipped with more lethal and long-range Anti-ship missile (AShM) compared to Type-054A.

Tughril class is equipped with two sets of dual CM-302 launchers which is export variant of YJ-12 supersonic AShM. Type-054A however have two sets of quadruple YJ-83A a subsonic AShM. CM-302 compared to YJ-83A have long strike distance, high flight speed, several time bigger warhead charge and a strong penetration capability can severely damage bigger ships like destroyers and cruisers thus giving an upper hand to Tughril class in surface warfare anti-ship capabilities.

Differences between Pakistan Navy’s Type-054A/P & PLAN’s Type-054A - Pakistan Strategic Forum

In November 2021, Pakistan Navy commissioned PNS Tughril (Type-054AP), first ship of its class in a ceremony held in Hodong Xing shipyard Shanghai. From visuals the PNS Tughril (261) looked clearly different from the Type-054 Alpha class of PLAN. The differences can be easily noted in electrical...

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