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Yes, I am not saying that he is a troll I just said what I and many other Arab users and non-Arab users feel when he is trolling which happened way more often in the past. That must be said.

I remember King Solomon. The name Cheng, aside from sounding Chinese/East Asian, is not something I recall.

He is a troll, the Indian just defending him because he openly insults Islam. King Solomon was a Jew pretending to be Muslim yet the only scripture he knew was the Torah. :lol:
 
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@al-Hasani I have had Yemeni here many times actually bro, I love your black tea that ya make and I had some rice with Chicken dish. :cheers:

That tea though. :smitten:



This forum is anti-zionist and no pallywood thread will change that, only jihadis like Zarvan want to wipe out Jews.

Bozo insults Islam here frequently despite living in the holy land of Muslims, he is lucky he still has a head quite frankly.

LOL? Really. That is great. I will try to limit myself but tea and coffee is grown locally in Yemen. Coffee probably originates in either Yemen or Ethiopia/Horn of Africa. The first attested mention of coffee is from Yemen in one of the Sufi monasteries apropos our last talk about Sufis.:D
The earliest credible evidence of either coffee drinking or knowledge of the coffee tree appears in the middle of the fifteenth century, in the Sufi monasteries of Yemen.[2]

Also Mocha coffee takes its name from the Yemeni coastal city of Mocha that was a major hub of coffee production back in the day.

There are many variants of coffee and tea.

You should try the Yemeni highland coffee with clove, cardamom or mint.

Or Qishr.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qishr

Buy your coffee from here:

Welcome to Al-Hamdani Coffee Website

A coffee cultivator in Yemen:D

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The Yemeni salesmen in me came up. Can't help it.

Also check this page out. Really good I think.

http://www.shebayemenifood.com

How many Yemenis do live in the East coast? What is their reputation? What did you think about them? Be honest.:D

Also, bro, please ask the moderators to open the Yemeni military thread. I have tried to come into contact with them but they are not answering.:coffee:
 
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@al-Hasani I do not think there are many Yemenis here, there are a lot more Egyptians but then again I haven't asked every single Arab but the vast majority I grew up with were Egyptian. Also many Palestinians.

There is a whole area here filled with Arabs most Palestinians though and it is known as Little Palestine, that is where I go for Arab food and is where I had Yemeni a few times.
The Big Apple: Little Palestine (Bay Ridge, Brooklyn)

Arabs in general do not have a bad reputation here but then again this is NYC and we are so diverse that everyone feels at home here.

I forget the name of the tea I drank but it is a Yemeni specialty and there is no added sugar or anything it is just naturally sweetish, it is pure black no need to add milk or anything. I will let you know perhaps I will go again sometime this month. I loved it though better than any Pakistani tea I ever had. I still prefer coffee though but that is the yankee in me. :lol:

As for the food although it tastes great it is kind of stale for me but that is probably because of the spicy Pakistani cuisine I usually eat. I just add more salt or ask them to add some spices for me and it is better. :D I do take my friends to eat Yemeni instead of Pakistani though because they consider Pakistani too spicy.

Why don't you make a new thread if you already asked the mods and no answer perhaps it was closed for a reason. Or just pm webmaster.
 
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@al-Hasani I do not think there are many Yemenis here, there are a lot more Egyptians but then again I haven't asked every single Arab but the vast majority I grew up with were Egyptian. Also many Palestinians.

There is a whole area here filled with Arabs most Palestinians though and it is known as Little Palestine, that is where I go for Arab food and is where I had Yemeni a few times.
The Big Apple: Little Palestine (Bay Ridge, Brooklyn)

Arabs in general do not have a bad reputation here but then again this is NYC and we are so diverse that everyone feels at home here.

I forget the name of the tea I drank but it is a Yemeni specialty and there is no added sugar or anything it is just naturally sweetish, it is pure black no need to add milk or anything. I will let you know perhaps I will go again sometime this month. I loved it though better than any Pakistani tea I ever had. I still prefer coffee though but that is the yankee in me. :lol:

As for the food although it tastes great it is kind of stale for me but that is probably because of the spicy Pakistani cuisine I usually eat. I just add more salt or ask them to add some spices for me and it is better. :D I do take my friends to eat Yemeni instead of Pakistani though because they consider Pakistani too spicy.

Why don't you make a new thread if you already asked the mods and no answer perhaps it was closed for a reason. Or just pm webmaster.

Yes, most are from Egypt and Palestine from my knowledge as well. Or the Levant.

That is cool. "Little Palestine". Sounds great.

Yes, I know that American Arabs who number 3.5-4 million have a good reputation and many famous Americans are also of Arab ancestry. Steve Jobs was one of them.

Most are Christians though from what I hear not that it matters that much. Will have to do more reading since it is interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_American

I was also more referring to Yemenis as such.:D

That must be a variant of the black Yemeni tea. Did it have a taste of mint, cardamon or clove by any chance?

Coffee and tea are both equally consumed. Coffee is preferred in the North while tea is preferred in the South though.

Yemeni cuisine has a lot of spicy dishes and uses more spices than most Arab cuisines. Yemeni cuisine is a very distinct cuisine. It uses many flavors and natural products of a diverse range. Lots of fish, wild, meat, soups, rice, potato, vegetables, fruits etc.

It is hard to define. There are ties to South Asian cuisine due to ancient trade so it would not surprise me the slightest if many Pakistani dishes resembled Yemeni and vice versa. More than most Arab cuisines.

But Yemeni cuisine itself is very diverse and depends on the region and the North/South divide. Just like I imagine that Pakistani cuisine divers depending on the region.

Ghee is also often used instead of butter for pastries etc.

Well, I am myself by no means an expert in Yemeni cuisine either since that is a separate field on itself. I do believe that this page below has collected SOME of the more famous dishes that I also have tasted or know about. For a foreigner she has done a great job. Better pages in Arabic but that is to no avail here.:D

http://www.shebayemenifood.com
 
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Well, they are still illegals. . No country tolerates illegals. We cannot nor should we feed all the unfortunate individuals from across the world while forgetting our own in the process.

Enough of that. Don't like it? Get out of our country. Simple as that.

Happening in India my friend.. the leeches from across the border are apparently coming to India .... there are millions of thenm. U wud have heard about those... Banglasehis... come here produce like fregging 5-6-7 children... thats why U wud see many of them moaning on the threads that why does Indian Border Security Force shoots them , well its at the border.
 
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Eh, I was referring to your friend Desert Fox that started the dissuasion by insulting Arabs. You joined him and took his side by thanking the same posts that contained those insults and lunacies that were inaccurate anyway. Besides I don't care about that individual the slightest or that discussion. I made my point back then already. He obviously made his.

I only thanked posts containing insults aimed at you during the argument because you had attacked our ethnic groups, & you thanked posts containing insults aimed at us as well. It's also important to note that Islam wasn't insulted in that argument, & you should not have accused the other member of insulting Islam. In fact, if I had noticed anyone insulting Islam, I would have told them to cut it out myself. In any case, it's over now so forget about it.

Also it was you that mentioned that past discussion because you thought I was referring to you here which was not the case. So I am not to blame here.

Besides I have maybe written 10 posts in this thread and most of the posts were fairly long. Only a few lines concerned what you quoted. In fact only 1 line.

I read all of the posts when I was browsing this thread. The text that I quoted was just 2 sentences, & I admit that I got confused after reading that. In any case, thanks for clarifying the issue.

Britain and France are to blame for their own situation. They were colonial empires that colonized nations that had no ties to Europe and made them their subjects. Then they must be prepared to house people from those countries or their descendants moreover if they imposed French, their culture etc. on those colonial lands.

We Arabs also had colonial empires that predated the Europeans by hundreds of years and we encountered multi-culturalism long time ago and it even shows today in the Afro-Arabs and many other minorities in the Arab world many of whom have mixed with us for centuries. Rac

The migration to the GCC from 1960's and onward is slightly different but I see similarities in the ancient one in the way that the new arrivals integrate and become a part of the society. Although most are leaving again.

I am not going to talk on the behalf of small states such as Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and the bigger ones in UAE or Oman but the GCC divers from Europe in the way that passports are rarely given to people without ancestral ties to the area even to those who were born in the GCC and lived there all their lives. One can think about that what they want but I know that many Europeans now envy this system.

At the end of the day then I believe that the concept of nationhoods will decrease in the distant future and that the world will become even more global. Nationality, race, ethnic groups etc. will play a less significant role for each year as people come closer in all fields and intermarriages with people from different backgrounds are very common at least here in Europe.

I for instance know a lot of Arab/non-Arab couples/people. They create their own subculture in one way or another.

But yes, there is not much to mention otherwise I believe on this subject.

I would say it's mostly France that imposed their language & culture, most of the British colonies still continue to speak to their own languages & follow their own culture. I still don't think that they should be prepared to house people from their former colonial territories, especially if people from those regions cause trouble for them in their own lands. It's their right to kick out any criminal or troublemaker without fear of being labelled xenophobic or racist. I am certain most civilizations have conquered some sort of territory. The Macedonian empire existed before the Arab Caliphates, & it was also multicultural in its own way, as was Persia, Rome, etc. The Phoenicians who are also ancient Semitic people by the way, migrated towards North Africa & set up the Carthaginian empire. The Middle East in general though has had more interaction with other races because of its geographical location, & because the silk route that was used by people in the past for trade passes through this region.

To be honest, I think that nationalities will continue to play a significant role in the lives of people. It's just human nature for a person to be fond of his or her own culture, language, people, etc. That is also why nationalism is rising in some areas with too much immigration or multiculturalism, people simply do not want to see their race, culture, language, et cetera get destroyed. Preserving their heritage is obviously their right. Anyway, G.C.C's rule of not handing over nationalities to everyone has actually been quite beneficial to them. This system of nationalities is called "jus sanguinis" or right of blood. I think there are benefits & drawbacks to both systems. The Europeans could adopt a similar system or they might consider making their nationality laws a lot more strict at least. Besides, it's just a few countries in Western Europe that need to recheck their immigration laws, Eastern Europe is fine for now. I think the reasons some Europeans might prefer the G.C.C's system is because it doesn't force integration or assimilation. Saudi Arabia for instance is multicultural at the moment, but it isn't a melting pot, it's more of a salad bowl. Getting back to unemployment, the nitaqat system is doing alright for now, but it requires some modifications for smaller enterprises. I heard that some private schools went out of business because they failed to meet the employment criteria & couldn't afford the salaries required by some teachers. That's one thing the government is going to have to look in to.
 
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His pedophile comment did not come from out of the blue. I know that individuals sentiments. He should not have started since he was bound to loose anyway. Lastly I remember that the discussion concerned 4 people. Me, you, him and another user. 3 against 1. Besides I don't remember it that much and it is a closed topic for my part.

Still English was imposed. English law. Just look at India or in some way Pakistan. The English left a marker there and elsewhere in their former colonies.

Well, how can they kick out their own citizens? From what I am aware of then that is illegal. At least here in Denmark unless in exceptional cases when the condemned has retained ties to his ancestral country despite being born in European country x or y.

If you colonize a country, import its people as cheap labor, impose your language, religion, culture etc. then you cannot come her decades later and cry about "non-English" people causing "trouble". Then deport the average John Smith, James Johnson etc.

The non-English people are only going to increase and London is already 40% "foreign". Same with Paris.

Sure that is correct.

Well, far from all like their cultures/countries just because they happen to have ties to them. That is a irrational view. Looking at Europe and the world then the nationalists are doing a very bad job since nearly every major world city is now a mixture of cultures etc. and I don't see that changing. The world will face much more important issues than just race, language etc. In the last 100 years I believe that hundreds of languages have become extinct and several nationalist/fascist movements have failed big time.

If people bothered to take a genetic test they would realize how mixed all of us are by far and how vague the concept of nationalities/ethnic groups etc. is at the end of the day.

Yes, more modifications, new laws etc. must come and I am sure they will come as this has been a steady thing for the past 40-50 years.

With the rapid rise of the population more jobs need to be created and I believe that this should be the main discussion point.
 
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Before I visited Saudi Arabia this spring I too was enamored by the wealth and supposed affluence. But I was shocked to see poverty, unemployment and local Saudis begging on streets. Not just that, the ramshackle buildings, unclean streets did not give a look of a wealthy country.

The standard of construction, its unplanned and haphazard nature also gave a look of an underdeveloped country. I kept comparing Pakistan and found that despite being much poorer, Pakistan had similar living standards although Saudi made a lot more money and still this standard! I m talking about Jeddah and Mecca.
 
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Before I visited Saudi Arabia this spring I too was enamored by the wealth and supposed affluence. But I was shocked to see poverty, unemployment and local Saudis begging on streets. Not just that, the ramshackle buildings, unclean streets did not give a look of a wealthy country.

The standard of construction, its unplanned and haphazard nature also gave a look of an underdeveloped country. I kept comparing Pakistan and found that despite being much poorer, Pakistan had similar living standards although Saudi made a lot more money and still this standard! I m talking about Jeddah and Mecca.

KSA IS a very wealthy country. After all we are a G20 major economies member.

G-20 major economies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at the GDP per capita. KSA has a 10 times bigger GDP per capita than Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

How can it be shocking to see unemployment and poverty in a huge country like KSA with a population well above 30 million and MILLIONS of migrant workers that are often not very affluent?

Let alone the big number of illegal immigrants which is the main problem as this thread even discusses.

There are not many poor local Saudis in Hijaz. Those you saw were probably either migrant workers, illegals or non-Saudi Arabian Arab immigrants from all over the Arab world. KSA is a welfare state and especially if you are a Saudi Arabian citizen.

The old quarter of Jeddah has old buildings and that is a charm. There are some neighborhoods were those individuals I mentioned above live and their the conditions are worse than in virtually all cities of KSA.

Unclean, yes often in those areas. In the case of Makkah it is due to all the pilgrims but that will change.

Unplanned construction? KSA has among the biggest architectural projects currently in the world and many new awesome plans. A lot of construction is happening all over the country that might give a indication of chaos. But it is no different in China etc.

I can't comment on Pakistan since I have never visited it.

But yes, KSA is not as affluent as UAE, Qatar or Kuwait per capita but you cannot compare small states that have a lesser population than just the Makkah Province alone with KSA. There are also millions of poor in USA but overall most are affluent and the country is rich. Just as KSA.

Still the GDP per capita of KSA is at the same level as that of the European Union. Which is very high. And for KSA's part it will only grow rapidly since the KSA economy is growing very rapidly for each year.
 
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His pedophile comment did not come from out of the blue. I know that individuals sentiments. He should not have started since he was bound to loose anyway. Lastly I remember that the discussion concerned 4 people. Me, you, him and another user. 3 against 1. Besides I don't remember it that much and it is a closed topic for my part.

I repeat that if I had thought anyone was mocking Islam, I would have called that person out on it immediately as would have any other member posting on that thread. In fact, none of the posters thought that that member had insulted Islam.

We all had different people thanking our posts on that thread. :lol: I recall a few other Saudi members were present as well. Besides, the discussion between us was over genetics. Different haplogroups originated in various regions, but the population they originated with often differs from our modern day populations. For instance, haplogroup U originated close to north east Africa & the Middle East 60,000 years ago, but it's said to have originated among the first few homo sapiens that migrated from Africa, & later divided in to subclades as the population broke off. Some haplogroups such as haplogroup L are present in Europe, but those people are considered to have been mixed with Persian or Indian merchants around the time of the Roman empire.

In modern times, the spread of Indo-European languages & people involves a combination of the Paleolithic Continuity theory & the Kurgan hypothesis. The Sub-Continent is a different story because it's mostly the north western regions that Indo-Iranians settled on, as did the Scythians later on. The spread of Indo-European languages towards the east over there occurred due to cultural dominance. As far as Semitic sources go, you should read up on Shem, Ham, & Japheth. Their story is interesting & it concerns the origins of mankind from a Biblical perspective, Islamic scholars refer to them as well sometimes.

Still English was imposed. English law. Just look at India or in some way Pakistan. The English left a marker there and elsewhere in their former colonies.

That's true, the English language for instance plays a vital role in our society today. Although, that is a good thing in many ways. I think that people should learn foreign languages, for the sake of education, communication, & even business purposes, but that doesn't imply that they neglect their own languages.

Well, how can they kick out their own citizens? From what I am aware of then that is illegal. At least here in Denmark unless in exceptional cases when the condemned has retained ties to his ancestral country despite being born in European country x or y.

I was actually referring to those immigrants that aren't their citizens. If they have provided them with their citizenship, then they are just going to have to prosecute criminals to the full extent of the law, & deal with them on their own.

If you colonize a country, import its people as cheap labor, impose your language, religion, culture etc. then you cannot come her decades later and cry about "non-English" people causing "trouble". Then deport the average John Smith, James Johnson etc.

The non-English people are only going to increase and London is already 40% "foreign". Same with Paris.

Sure that is correct.

I don't really agree with that view, it doesn't seem rational. Conquests & wars between nations have occurred since the beginning of time. It doesn't mean that you should hate that nation because of events that took place in the past. Similarly, regardless of what a colonial power did in the past, its people do not deserve to suffer from crime caused by foreigners, & they have the right to speak against it. Those immigrants were allowed entrance in to their countries for pursuing a better future & they should respect the local people & adhere to the laws of the land.

Well, far from all like their cultures/countries just because they happen to have ties to them. That is a irrational view. Looking at Europe and the world then the nationalists are doing a very bad job since nearly every major world city is now a mixture of cultures etc. and I don't see that changing. The world will face much more important issues than just race, language etc. In the last 100 years I believe that hundreds of languages have become extinct and several nationalist/fascist movements have failed big time.

If people bothered to take a genetic test they would realize how mixed all of us are by far and how vague the concept of nationalities/ethnic groups etc. is at the end of the day.

Which view is irrational? I still maintain that most people generally prefer to be around their own, practice their own cultures, & speak their own languages. In fact, that happens to be noticeable in even the most multicultural societies, although there are always going to be exceptions to the rule. There is nothing wrong with desiring to preserve your race, culture, & heritage. In fact, it is only natural for humans to desire that their descendants resemble them. Yes, many people today are mixed, but that mixture if present would have been diluted over time. I doubt an English person today would look different from his or her ancestors around during Roman times. There is no doubt that the world will face other important issues as well, but that doesn't necessitate ignoring your country, people, etc. Since you seem to be religious according to your posts, I don't think that I need to remind you that the diversity of humankind is actually considered a sign from God in the Quran.

Yes, more modifications, new laws etc. must come and I am sure they will come as this has been a steady thing for the past 40-50 years.

With the rapid rise of the population more jobs need to be created and I believe that this should be the main discussion point.

Have you got an idea as to what kind of laws are going to be introduced in the future? I have heard some rumors that new laws will be introduced after the crack down on illegal workers, but I can't confirm anything at the moment.
 
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