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Why do Turks Like Pakistan?


Many statesmen believe in that the states have no friends, but interests. That’s why the number of states which have ‘special relations’ is few. US-UK relations or US-Israel relations are exceptional. Even in these examples we see that the national interests are more important than the emotional dimension. In this framework Turkish-Pakistani relations have always been special. In spite of the geographical distance and the clear economic and social differences between two countries, Turks have always loved the Pakistanis. Although the Pakistanis are not Turkish origin people, they have always been called ‘brothers’ in Turkey. Brotherhood between these two countries was something emerged before the family ties between the Turkish Republics and Turkey to be bounded. Like many Turkish people I did not question Pakistan’s friendship, yet one of the answers I was trying to find prior to my 8 day-trip to Pakistan was the reasons of this profound sympathy. On the Pakistan way, may be first time in my life I wondered why do Turks like Pakistan? I thought whether the Turkish-Pakistani love is delusion or not.

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I will share my Pakistan notes in the near future, but in this essay I would rather try to understand the main roots of our Pakistan sympathy:

The things I saw in my 2000 km journey, including 5 cities from Karachi-southern coast- to Burban-the very north of Pakistan-, was totally devastating for me and the other members of the Turkish delegation. It is clear that Pakistan has been passing through difficult times in terms of politics, security and economics. My soul and heart were hurt by the level of difficulties these beautiful people face. Besides all that tragedy, I and other members of the Turkish delegation found out something that every visitor to Pakistan experience: Pakistan is certainly the country that likes Turkey the most in this world.

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In one of the meetings the USAK in Ankara, the Pakistani Ambassador Seyid Iftikhar Hüseyin Shah had answered very positively all our questions and declared Pakistan’s support for any political problem Turkey faces: For example when we talked about Cyprus issue, terror or any other important topics, all of which he replied: “Pakistan would support you”. An ambassador’s response this fast and impulsive was quite shocking for USAK researchers if it was not suspicious. After seeing the shocked expressions in our faces, Ambassador Shah smiled and looked into our eyes saying “Pakistan would always support Turkey, because your country is Turkey, and you are Turkish.” We simply understand that Turkey has Pakistan’s political support in any issue with no hesitation. Such support and ties were naturally unexpected for Anglo-Saxon type educated people like us and it was a surprise for us when we are talking about a so ‘alone country’ in Europe, Turkey. What is more impressive was that we heard the same replies throughout Islamabad, Karachi and Lahor. All Pakistanis told us that “Pakistan would always support Turkey just because you are Turkey, and you are Turkish”

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The first thing I discovered while I was questioning the reasons of this exceptional “chum” relationship was how lonely Pakistan was. Being stuck between India, Iran, Afghanistan and China, Pakistan suffers a great loneliness. All of Pakistan’s neighbors are either too problematic, like Afghanistan, or too distant from adopting a close relationship on equal terms with the country. Take India for example, after the British left, it started drawing a profile of “Big Brother” of the region. Iran, where there are still strong signs of a pursuit for the Persian Empire (or expansion of the Islamist regime?), is no different. On the contrary, Iran’s ‘intolerable’ conceit and desire for ideological propagation, makes it almost impossible to create a strong relationship. Afghanistan, probably the most similar country to Pakistan in terms of geography and demography, is now like a fireball and is ready to porch. Inside all the neighbors of Pakistan, the most loved one is certainly China. Because of its support to Pakistan in their relations with India, Chinese relations are special for Pakistanis. The “real China” is, however, is the very east of the country. Besides, it is fairly hard to imagine a Chinese – Pakistani closeness, compared to a one with Turkey. Moreover the relations with the West is also problematic. Although Islamabad Government has always been very helpful for the Western policies against terrorism, Pakistan cannot find a similar support and empathy in the West.

Turkey is certainly the most similar country to Pakistan in the world with its ‘special loneliness’. Although it is at the heart of the global issues and has quite strong ties with the East and the West, Turkey is not part of any world in reality. It is sui generis and Turkish people still feel aloneness in the West and in the region like Pakistan. It can be said that this shared aloneness is one of the factors in Turkish – Pakistani friendship. Turks can understand the Pakistanis before the double standards of the great powers.

Besides their common loneliness, the historical caliphate is believed to be another reason of the Turkish sympathy in Pakistan. The Ottoman sultans were considered the head of the all Muslims in many countries. Thanks to the Abdulhamid II’s efforts the influence of the Turkish caliphates’ increased dramatically in the Indian subcontinent. The Turks were considered as a balancing power against the occupying British in India. Therefore Indian Muslims felt themselves very close, even engaged, to the Anatolian Muslim Turks. More strangely, not only the Muslims, but also all other oppressed societies in India felt themselves close to the Ottoman Empire in these years. Including Gandhi, the Indians were all saddened by the declaration of secular Turkish Republic and the cassation of the caliphate chair. They were not against secularism but the evaporation of the Caliphate as they saw the Caliphate as an influential tool against imperialism in India. Despite their sadness, both Hindus and Muslim Indians respected Turkish people’s decision, continued to see citizens of the Modern Turkish Republic as the sons of the Ottomans.

Another factor of the sympathy was unfortunately the turmoil both Turkey and Pakistan experienced, particularly the military coups. The 12 September 1980 Coup’s General President Kenan Evren for instance was not welcomed at all in the Western European countries. He could only visit or more accurately only welcomed by Bulgaria, Romania, soma Arab countries and Pakistan. The same thing was, of course, true for Pakistan. Turkish officials have always welcomed Pakistanis no matter what their political conditions were.

Turkey’s strong support for Pakistan in the Kashmir case has also been a major contributor to the relationship. In spite of the problems with India, Turkey kept to its support and said: “… just because you are Pakistan.”

Although it is a debatable issue, another important point that needs to be mentioned here is the ethnic roots of Pakistan community. The country is clearly affected by the neighboring countries it stuck between. Fingerprints can be seen in its language, religion, culture and in many other areas. Its foods and music are, along with a lot other characteristics, is a synthesis. However, the Turkish signs can only be seen when looked closer. Even physical similarities can be observed. Turkish clans entering the inside of the Indian subcontinent have affected the region so deeply that its fingerprints inherited to the Pakistan of today. In other words, our ties with Pakistanis are not just mental, but we might also, with the help of modern science, observe different aspects of the ties by looking at the genes of our Pakistani brothers. Such a fact would certainly be shocking, but not very unexpected.

More recently, Turkey’s immediate help to Pakistan in the earthquake disaster was definitely the most major contributor to the relationship between the countries. All Pakistanis, from government officials to ordinary people, are very grateful for their brother country’s aids. They said that Turkey was there with both volunteers and officials helping them rescuing their people in a disaster which 75.000 people died. Moreover, they told us that Turks also did not leave immediately, but helped rebuilding the devastated country. They were so impressed from this immense help that Imam Abdullah said in a speech he made in Eidgahah Mosque: “Pakistan is Turkey and Turkey is Pakistan.”

Another recent contribution of the disaster to Turkish-Pakistani relationship is the fact that Turkish Premier, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, was the first leader to visit the country after the great disaster. Showing one more time the importance of timing in diplomacy, that his visit and speech impressed Pakistanis as much as Turkish aids did. Even though he may be aware of the consequences of his visit, Mr. Erdogan certainly did something very important for closeness between Pakistan and Turkey.

The last visit to Pakistan made by Turkish President Abdullah Gul was also important in this context. His visit after the devastating assassination of Benazir Bhutto, which is an incident that almost put the country into a chaos, proved Turkey’s support to the country one more time. The message President Gul gave by meeting with all leaders in the country was clear: “Pakistani leaders should stop fighting each other and maintain peace and unity in the country.” Thanks to the efforts of Turkish ambassador Engin Soysal and his team, Turkey has continued to play a special role in bridging the opposing Pakistani groups. It is clear that almost all Pakistani political parties trust on the Turks. That’s why Turkish diplomats or politicians can organize in a very limited time so many sensitive meetings which affect Pakistani political life.

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As a conclusion, it seems that Turks have enough reasons to see Pakistan as a brother country. Besides, the heating environment of the “Great Middle East” also brings countries like Turkey and Pakistan, and other countries affected by the United States policies in the region. The wrong policies of the White House force the regional powers to make more co-cooperation and Turkish-Pakistani relations is no exception.

I will continue writing on our Pakistan experiences. However, for now, I will stop here by telling people who do not believe in Turkey-Pakistan closeness that: We the Turks love Pakistanis because they are Pakistani.

Translated by Nilgun Gulcan and Kerem Kilic (JTW)

Why do Turks Like Pakistan?
 
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Absolutely beautiful article and yes he hit the nail on the head.
 
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and people from capitalist societies will never understand this. they only see things in terms of national interests.
its similar when we talk about pak china friendship. many ppl pop out and start telling us that its only out of interests. well our interests might be alligned but our friendship is based on mutual trust.

but lik i said, ppl with capitalist mindset will not understand.
 
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and people from capitalist societies will never understand this. they only see things in terms of national interests.
its similar when we talk about pak china friendship. many ppl pop out and start telling us that its only out of interests. well our interests might be alligned but our friendship is based on mutual trust.

but lik i said, ppl with capitalist mindset will not understand.

lol so Pak and specially Turkey aren't capitalist societies?
what are they then?
 
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dont know about turkey but yes pakistan is not. with more than 50 percent population in rural areas and those in cities not all of them working for capitalist firms. will u call this a capitalist society?? on top of this its the mindset and the enviornemnt in which you are brought up and that is very different in pakistan where social values play a crucial role.
 
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dont know about turkey but yes pakistan is not. with more than 50 percent population in rural areas and those in cities not all of them working for capitalist firms. will u call this a capitalist society?? on top of this its the mindset and the enviornemnt in which you are brought up and that is very different in pakistan which social values play a crucial role.

Some people do not understand the difference between Alliance and Friendship.

Example: US is our Ally and China is our Friend and that Friendship is in our people's hearts and in the Blood of those who gave their lives constructing Silk Route same Applies to Turkey.

They Refused Indians to Sell Naval Guns just because they would be used against Pakistan.

Turkey sent their Air crafts During war tough we didn't had to use them.
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I've noticed some things since I came on this forum.
You guys are passionate people and how should I say, you take things to heart really fast.
For example one day you're praising Iran and calling it a "brotherly" country and the next day you're badmouthing Iran because some douche bag MP said something bad about pakistan!
There is no true friendship in the world of politics, it's the mindset of the average joe in the street that matters and trust me, the average Turk doesn't give a crap about he average Pakistani.
 
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^^ well to be honest many pakistanis love iranians. let me be more specific. many pakistanis love to love all muslim countries and few friendly countries. but when we hear any anti pakistan comments coming from anywhere doesnt matter from which country, ull notice a quick outburst. give us some time to pacify and we will be back to our 'love to love' mode.

thats how i see it. obviously there are exceptions.
 
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^^ well to be honest many pakistanis love iranians. let me be more specific. many pakistanis love to love all muslim countries and few friendly countries. but when we hear any anti pakistan comments coming from anywhere doesnt matter from which country, ull notice a quick outburst. give us some time to pacify and we will be back to our 'love to love' mode.

thats how i see it. obviously there are exceptions.

thanks, that's exactly what I mean.
YOU SHOULDN'T LOVE ANYONE cuz nobody loves you, trust me (I don't necessary mean Pak I'm talking in general).
You can like Iranians but don't ever love Iranians. Same with Turkey.
 
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I've noticed some things since I came on this forum.
You guys are passionate people and how should I say, you take things to heart really fast.
For example one day you're praising Iran and calling it a "brotherly" country and the next day you're badmouthing Iran because some douche bag MP said something bad about pakistan!
There is no true friendship in the world of politics, it's the mindset of the average joe in the street that matters and trust me, the average Turk doesn't give a crap about he average Pakistani.

Here is your "average joe"

By Ayesha Ijaz Khan

It is my third trip to Turkey but my first to the Bodrum peninsula in the southwest of the country. Bodrum was first marketed to me in the mid-nineties by a Turkish friend, who described it as a summer retreat for domestic tourists, a Nathiagali of sorts. In the last few years, however, Bodrum has become a popular international holiday destination for Europeans and Americans and several airlines offer direct flights from London to Bodrum.


What used to be a collection of little fishing villages have been developed to rival Europe’s best-known river towns. Yalikavak, Turgetreis, Bodrum and Turkbuku situated across from the Greek islands on the Aegean Sea, are every bit as magnificent as Spain’s Puerto Banus, France’s St Tropez or Italy’s Amalfi coast. The only difference is that in Bodrum the public toilets are cleaner, and five times a day, the village mosque sounds the azan.

As Barack Obama wrote in his first book, Dreams from My Father, “Europe is beautiful but she isn’t mine.” I cannot help but feel similarly. It is so much more gratifying to visit a Muslim country like Turkey and yet to see it no less developed than the best of what Europe has to offer. One cannot help but marvel at Ataturk’s legacy.

In fact, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, having read H C Armstrong’s biography of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in 1932, was reputed to have been so enamoured that he resorted to nicknaming his daughter, Dina, “Grey Wolf” as Ataturk was referred to by the title of Armstrong’s book. In Turkey, he is revered as the saviour. And unlike Pakistan, where nothing is sacrosanct and nationalism cannot trump freedom of expression, in Turkey, Ataturk shan’t be criticised. In fact, for the duration of our time in Bodrum, it was impossible to access YouTube. The reason cited was that “some Greeks had uploaded material derogatory to Ataturk” and hence YouTube remained inaccessible in Turkey.

The pride Turks take in their national heritage and in the naturally beautiful environs has led Turkey to base its economy largely on tourism. As we explored Bodrum, it was remarkable that there were no beggars. Since my last visit five years ago, the Turkish economy seemed to be on the rise and average Turks the beneficiaries.

I could not help but think of Swat and those displaced from equally beautiful and potentially equally lucrative tourist destinations. The Turkish model is instructive and relevant because it is a fellow Muslim country and one that does not rely on a commodity like oil to finance infrastructure and development. They have instead focused on tourism and hospitality. And though our culture is no less welcoming and our people no less friendly, our misplaced priorities prevent us from attracting large numbers of visitors.

International tourists look for culturally permissive venues. Incidentally, this is true not just for European tourists (who are exceptionally adventurous and will travel to any spot that allows them basic freedoms) but also tourists from Muslim countries. In spite of the fact that Iran has a rich cultural heritage, Muslim tourists will nevertheless choose Turkey because of the relaxed atmosphere that it provides. Lebanon, despite its precarious security situation, still draws more visitors than many other countries because it offers openness.

Mosques are an integral part of Turkish scenery and omnipresent in its towns and villages, but the strict vibe that one feels in their precincts is entirely absent in Bodrum, where French tourists dressed for the summer can walk through a mosque’s courtyard without hesitation or fear.

My husband, who regularly takes time off work to observe Friday prayer at Regent’s Mosque in London, always times it such that he makes it just in time for the jamaat but misses the lengthy and politically charged khutba. The Friday that we are in Turkbuku, he offers prayer at the cute little mosque in the village market close to our hotel.

“It was really chilled out,” he tells me of his experience, “one of the guys was praying in shorts. Nobody bothered. And the khutba was really short. I didn’t know what he was saying because it was in Turkish but I was looking out for words like Palestine, Israel, America, and there was none of that.”

The day before, we had travelled to Ephesus, the site of much Greek history, including the Temple of Artemis, and also Meryamana, as the Turks refer to the last house of Hazrat Maryam. It is a holy place for Christians and Muslims and has provisions of prayer for both. The main room is used for prayer by the Christians but the side room is available to Muslims. When I tell the duty guard that I am Muslim, he is exceptionally polite, pulls out a beautiful prayer mat and leads me to the side room where he lays the mat in the direction of the Ka’ba for me. I have never felt as respected as a woman at any holy site. Although I am wearing shalwar-kameez and have a dupatta to cover my hair, it is not covered when I first speak to the guard. But he is not concerned. He trusts that since I have come for prayer, I must be prepared and that my attire is between me and my Allah.

This is entirely different from my several experiences at Umrah where the guards to the Haram are more interested in whether any hair is showing than they are in helping with logistics. It is also at odds with the Vatican, where the dress code is more relaxed than in Mecca, but the guards equally chauvinistic.

“I wish the Turks had not lost control of the Ka’ba,” I tell my husband as we leave Meryamana.

On our last night, we eat at the Marine Yacht Club of Bodrum. While serving us, the waiter discovers that we are Muslims, and from Pakistan. He is extraordinarily friendly. When the bill comes, he has not charged us for the cokes and the teas. “It is from me,” he says, “we are the same people.” All we can do is tip him generously.

While conversing with him, I ask my standard question, “Are you happy with the government?”

“Yes, I like Erdogan very much,” he responds, “I voted for him. Turkey had two good leaders. One, Ataturk. And two, Erdogan. Did you see what he did in Davos? He walked out for the Palestinians. I like it very much.” We nod in agreement. “How are things in Pakistan?” he asks, “You have a big problem with Taliban?”

“Yes, unfortunately,” I tell him, “but the army is fighting them now.”

Back at the hotel, as I flip through Turkish channels, I am impressed with the insightful coverage they give both Pakistan and Iran. In Pakistan, by comparison, the media is obsessed with domestic issues, but Turkish media seems very adept at international coverage. “It’s because we have too many problems at home,” my husband tells me, “we can’t afford to look elsewhere.”

But the fact that Turkey is able to look elsewhere and to stand up for Muslim causes effectively because its own people are prospering is a testament to the durability of Ataturk’s plan for modernisation and an affirmation that Islam is not under threat if modern ways are adopted but able to manifest itself in more substantive ways.


A Pakistani’s view of Turkey and the Turks Pak Tea House
 
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thanks, that's exactly what I mean.
YOU SHOULDN'T LOVE ANYONE cuz nobody loves you, trust me (I don't necessary mean Pak I'm talking in general).
You can like Iranians but don't ever love Iranians. Same with Turkey.

now you see here is wat i said before comes in. we dont have a capitalist mindset. first we need to change our school book and replace them with books in which only thing taught is maximising personal returns. ;)
 
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thanks, that's exactly what I mean.
YOU SHOULDN'T LOVE ANYONE cuz nobody loves you, trust me (I don't necessary mean Pak I'm talking in general).
You can like Iranians but don't ever love Iranians. Same with Turkey.

Just because no "average joe" is fond of Iranians... not one in the world from any country, does not mean its the same for Pakistanis...

Stop spreading your hate and cynicism here.

Lastly, have you ever been to Turkey?
 
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What is the international trade figures between Pakistan-Turkey?
What are the cultural, educational, military exchanges between the two countrys?
 
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^^hahahahaha........ u need some inputs before you could give mathematical values to emotions?
 
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