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Thanks for the link, I can read that it's all speculations atm. but nevertheless it's not a very good sign that some ppl worship another human being to this extent, and that goes for RTE supporters as well. If it's a cast os Gulen then there should be some DNA traces inside the cast.
To verify that you need a 3rd party to do the DNA test.
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Mate, you know i don't like AKP and Erdogan.
But i think, that we have to make a difference.
I don't think that people worship Erdogan..... if you mean fanatically supporting him....i would agree. That also goes for the other political parties. They all have their fanatics....maybe percentage of the AKP fanatics are more when you compare them with the other parties' supporters, i dunno, i don't have any statics to verify.
When you look at the Gülenists, kissing the cast hand of gülen, believing that he converse with our prophet in his dreams every night. putting yourself into a state that you can open fire on your own people whom got nothing but Turkish flags in their hands......it's beyond fanaticism, call it brain-washed, worshiping fetö, but it's not the same as political party fanaticism.
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I agree, but I would like to add that there aren't far from a fanatic to a worshipper, they're just two extremes that we don't need.
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I wish there had not been any kind of fanaticism in the world and everybody had the ability to think rationality...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-turkey-asylum-exclusive-idUSKCN10L03U
A Turkish military officer on a U.S.-based assignment for NATO is seeking asylum in the United States after being recalled by the Turkish government in the wake of last month's failed military coup, U.S. officials told Reuters.
A Turkish military officer on a U.S.-based assignment for NATO is seeking asylum in the United States after being recalled by the Turkish government in the wake of last month's failed military coup, U.S. officials told Reuters.
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LAHORE: The management of the PakTurk Schools has removed the Turkish principals of 28 schools and colleges of the chain besides dissolving the board of directors (BoD) having representation of Turkish nationals.
The drastic change is being seen to thwart the likely handing over of the control of the school system to any organisation by the government.
A source in the federal government told Dawn that the Turkish government had suggested handing over of the chain to an international NGO having links with the Erdogan administration.
The Turkish nationals, earlier serving on administrative posts, will now work as teachers, according to a senior official of the schools system and familiar with the developments.
PakTurk schools are no more registered under the international NGO (PakTurk International Education Foundation). They will work under a locally-registered PakTurk Education Foundation.
The official said a new six-member BoD with complete local representation had been formed to run the affairs of the schools.
Last week, Pakistan had promised Turkey’s visiting Foreign Minister Mevlut Çavuşoğlu that it would investigate the network of schools Ankara wanted shut for its alleged links with the US-based cleric, Fethullah Gulen, it blames for last month’s coup attempt.
Drastic changes in BoD, rules to address concerns of both Pakistan and Turkey
Mr Çavuşoğlu had said: “It is not secret that Gulen’s organisation has institutions or their presence in Pakistan and in many other countries. I am sure the necessary measures will be taken. We have to be very careful with such organisations and their causing risk and threat for the security and stability of every country that they have presence.”The senior official says after such drastic changes in the system, there is no point in to either close down or hand them over to any government’s recommended organisation.
“After bringing these schools under a local NGO, the government should stop looking for an excuse to oblige its Turkish counterpart,” he said, requesting the Nawaz government to consult the new BoD.
The network of PakTurk schools and colleges was launched in 1995 under the international NGO registered with the Turkish government. “Initially funding was made from Turkey to establish state of art campuses in Pakistan. But for the last 15 years or so it is generating its own funds here, offering free education and boarding facilities to 35 per cent of the students besides awarding foreign scholarships to them,” the official said.
The chain of 28 schools and colleges is functioning in Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Multan, Karachi, Hyderabad, Khairpur, Jamshoro and Quetta. Of the 1,500 staffers, 150 are Turkish. Some 11,000 students from pre-school to ‘A’ levels are studying there.
The government is facing pressure from the Turkish authorities to expel the Turkish nationals working with the PakTurk schools.
“Some of them have a Pakistani visa valid for a year or two and some have applied for extension,” an official source said.
“The Turkish staff fears action by the Erdogan administration on their return as the PakTurk Schools earlier run by the NGO linked with his (Erdogan) opponent Gulen (who has been self-exile in Pennsylvania since 1999),” he said. Turkey has declared Gulen’s organisation a ‘terrorist entity’ after the coup attempt in July 15.
About the status of visas of the PakTurk schools staff, Foreign Spokesperson Nafees Zakaria offered no comment, saying the matter was sub judice.
The schools management has also filed a petition in Islamabad and Lahore high courts, seeking orders to stop the Pakistani government from taking any unlawful step which would compromise the future of the students of the institutions or to maintain status quo.As uncertainty rules the system, parents say withdrawal of the faculty and change of management will impact the standard of learning.
“We appeal to the PML-N government not to stake the future of 11,000 students of PakTurk schools and colleges,” said Saima Ilyas, the representative of the Parents-Teachers Association of the PakTurk International Schools and Colleges, Lahore.
Published in Dawn, August 10th, 2016
The drastic change is being seen to thwart the likely handing over of the control of the school system to any organisation by the government.
A source in the federal government told Dawn that the Turkish government had suggested handing over of the chain to an international NGO having links with the Erdogan administration.
The Turkish nationals, earlier serving on administrative posts, will now work as teachers, according to a senior official of the schools system and familiar with the developments.
PakTurk schools are no more registered under the international NGO (PakTurk International Education Foundation). They will work under a locally-registered PakTurk Education Foundation.
The official said a new six-member BoD with complete local representation had been formed to run the affairs of the schools.
Last week, Pakistan had promised Turkey’s visiting Foreign Minister Mevlut Çavuşoğlu that it would investigate the network of schools Ankara wanted shut for its alleged links with the US-based cleric, Fethullah Gulen, it blames for last month’s coup attempt.
Drastic changes in BoD, rules to address concerns of both Pakistan and Turkey
Mr Çavuşoğlu had said: “It is not secret that Gulen’s organisation has institutions or their presence in Pakistan and in many other countries. I am sure the necessary measures will be taken. We have to be very careful with such organisations and their causing risk and threat for the security and stability of every country that they have presence.”The senior official says after such drastic changes in the system, there is no point in to either close down or hand them over to any government’s recommended organisation.
“After bringing these schools under a local NGO, the government should stop looking for an excuse to oblige its Turkish counterpart,” he said, requesting the Nawaz government to consult the new BoD.
The network of PakTurk schools and colleges was launched in 1995 under the international NGO registered with the Turkish government. “Initially funding was made from Turkey to establish state of art campuses in Pakistan. But for the last 15 years or so it is generating its own funds here, offering free education and boarding facilities to 35 per cent of the students besides awarding foreign scholarships to them,” the official said.
The chain of 28 schools and colleges is functioning in Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Multan, Karachi, Hyderabad, Khairpur, Jamshoro and Quetta. Of the 1,500 staffers, 150 are Turkish. Some 11,000 students from pre-school to ‘A’ levels are studying there.
The government is facing pressure from the Turkish authorities to expel the Turkish nationals working with the PakTurk schools.
“Some of them have a Pakistani visa valid for a year or two and some have applied for extension,” an official source said.
“The Turkish staff fears action by the Erdogan administration on their return as the PakTurk Schools earlier run by the NGO linked with his (Erdogan) opponent Gulen (who has been self-exile in Pennsylvania since 1999),” he said. Turkey has declared Gulen’s organisation a ‘terrorist entity’ after the coup attempt in July 15.
About the status of visas of the PakTurk schools staff, Foreign Spokesperson Nafees Zakaria offered no comment, saying the matter was sub judice.
The schools management has also filed a petition in Islamabad and Lahore high courts, seeking orders to stop the Pakistani government from taking any unlawful step which would compromise the future of the students of the institutions or to maintain status quo.As uncertainty rules the system, parents say withdrawal of the faculty and change of management will impact the standard of learning.
“We appeal to the PML-N government not to stake the future of 11,000 students of PakTurk schools and colleges,” said Saima Ilyas, the representative of the Parents-Teachers Association of the PakTurk International Schools and Colleges, Lahore.
Published in Dawn, August 10th, 2016
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Good, kick all Fethollah terrorists, Turkey will send true Turks to school for sure
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Turkey’s military has managed to seize power directly three times since 1960 (and forced another government from power in 1997). So why did this latest coup attempt fail
Here's my take:
1. Lack Of Public Support
Three previous coups were fairly well received by a public yearning for “peace and order” to be restored after periods of social strife or violence. No such public support existed this time for the coup plotters, and few people came out to cheer them on.
In fact, far larger crowds answered President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s dramatic call -- made to a television news channel via a mobile-phone video link -- to come out onto the streets to show their rejection of the coup.
2. This Time (It Seems) It Wasn’t The Secularists
Turkey’s military has long considered itself as the guardian of the country’s secular constitution. In past coups, it has seized power from civilian governments it cast as a danger to the secular order.
This time, authorities blamed not ardent secularists but a religious figure -- Fethullah Gulen, a critic of Erdogan in self-imposed exile in the United States. (He denies being behind the attempt.) The two biggest opposition parties also came out in clear support of the government, saying the bitter experience of past military coups must not be allowed to be repeated.
3. Police, Coup Plotters Were On Different Sides
On previous occasions, the police fell into line behind Turkey’s new rulers after the army’s takeover. Nowadays, the police are seen as closely aligned to the government. Police officers went after the group inside the military who staged the coup bid, arresting scores of suspected rebel soldiers and officers.
4. Coup Plotters Were A Small Part Of Army
Both the government, as well as the opposition, estimated the strength of the mutineers as a maximum of 10 to 20 percent of the army. In the past, it was the military as a whole that intervened.
5. Shutting Down The Media Is Harder These Days
As on previous occasions, coup plotters took over state television and radio, taking them off the air. But news still managed to spread thanks to nonstate TV outlets, primarily CNN Turk, and social networks, mainly Twitter and WhatsApp, which provided a platform for voices of resistance.
Here's my take:
1. Lack Of Public Support
Three previous coups were fairly well received by a public yearning for “peace and order” to be restored after periods of social strife or violence. No such public support existed this time for the coup plotters, and few people came out to cheer them on.
In fact, far larger crowds answered President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s dramatic call -- made to a television news channel via a mobile-phone video link -- to come out onto the streets to show their rejection of the coup.
2. This Time (It Seems) It Wasn’t The Secularists
Turkey’s military has long considered itself as the guardian of the country’s secular constitution. In past coups, it has seized power from civilian governments it cast as a danger to the secular order.
This time, authorities blamed not ardent secularists but a religious figure -- Fethullah Gulen, a critic of Erdogan in self-imposed exile in the United States. (He denies being behind the attempt.) The two biggest opposition parties also came out in clear support of the government, saying the bitter experience of past military coups must not be allowed to be repeated.
3. Police, Coup Plotters Were On Different Sides
On previous occasions, the police fell into line behind Turkey’s new rulers after the army’s takeover. Nowadays, the police are seen as closely aligned to the government. Police officers went after the group inside the military who staged the coup bid, arresting scores of suspected rebel soldiers and officers.
4. Coup Plotters Were A Small Part Of Army
Both the government, as well as the opposition, estimated the strength of the mutineers as a maximum of 10 to 20 percent of the army. In the past, it was the military as a whole that intervened.
5. Shutting Down The Media Is Harder These Days
As on previous occasions, coup plotters took over state television and radio, taking them off the air. But news still managed to spread thanks to nonstate TV outlets, primarily CNN Turk, and social networks, mainly Twitter and WhatsApp, which provided a platform for voices of resistance.
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I really surprised. They got coup attempt but Social network was ON ?? Holy cow.
according to my analysis- Turkey war is coming soon.
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What type of a war? Civil war? If it so, there was no civil war entire of Turkish history and will never be.
Turks are warriors but they never fight with each other. They always fight with the others. Even in the weakest times, they found a way to be reunion and fight against the others. Their history full of this type of events.
They act like wolves. Literally they behave like wolves. When they are together they attack, bite each other to show their strength but when the hunting time arrives, they work together like a human body. I am not exaggerating.
@Rain Man a gem of a thread developing here. Am becoming a fan of @Major d1 
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