Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[-SINAN-]

You say, that's all a lie? No force or rape against prisoners?

Those who come with these allegations, should present their evidence.

 

[Solomon2]

I think trying to overthrow allied governments is also against the law no?

Violation of the Neutrality Act, I think.

If push comes to shove we will shove, have no doubt about it

Don't murder Gulen. It will be a mistake that could bring down Turkey's democracy.

Look, Turkey just had an attempted coup that the military was deeply involved in. So if an asset of Turkish intelligence services knew something that would implicate Gulen in the coup it would make sense for Turkey to reveal the source if necessary to bring that info out into the open.

If, however, the Turkish gov't insists it has incriminating data that it must keep secret and murders Gulen instead, then I think there's two conclusions one can draw: either Gulen is really innocent, or else the source of such information is Erdogan who therefore resorted to political murder because he couldn't reveal it without implicating himself. With democratic norms thus reduced to a mere sham, the next coup will have the support of the newly-empowered Turkish street, and how long could Erdogan survive that?

 

[Bismarck]

Those who come with these allegations, should present their evidence.

ai say they have credible allegations.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Violation of the Neutrality Act, I think.

Don't murder Gulen. It will be a mistake that could bring down Turkey's democracy.

Look, Turkey just had an attempted coup that the military was deeply involved in. So if an asset of Turkish intelligence services knew something that would implicate Gulen in the coup it would make sense for Turkey to reveal the source if necessary to bring that info out into the open.

If, however, the Turkish gov't insists it has incriminating data that it must keep secret and murders Gulen instead, then I think there's two conclusions one can draw: either Gulen is really innocent, or else the source of such information is Erdogan who therefore resorted to political murder because he couldn't reveal it without implicating himself. With democratic norms thus reduced to a mere sham, the next coup will have the support of the newly-empowered Turkish street, and how long could Erdogan survive that?

Mate you seem to think Turkish people are looking at this through your lens...they are looking at it through mine. They want him dead or alive and will celebrate for a week were it to happen he was put on a plane to Ankara or sent to the afterlife via a subsonic round. His sources are already either caught or being hunted down, not one will be escaping this righteous purge

 

[Bismarck]

I don't see any proof of rape, and I don't care about them getting slapped around a bit. Getting beaten should be the least of their worries after what happened on the 15th-16th

Turkey is still constitutional state. You should care, no matter what the sentencing is at least.

 

[asena_great]

There are some files about Gulen and his network in the wikileaks....you can research a bit. This issue is complex. We can't give you full detailed analysis as it will consume much time and effort but if you can learn the basics, we can discuss.


No, no.....you are mistaken badly....

Gülenist network is dangerous as it infiltrates in the state. I don't think, Gulenist can reach to a level where they can hurt US. But as i understood, Gülenists already infiltrated to state institutions in Kyrgyzstan, where they can inflict damage. It seems like Kyrgyzstan is in imminent danger. Gülenist network isn't confined by Kyrgyzstan, US and Turkey....they have network literally in every country around the globe, from Sweden to Tanzania.

Here is the full list. (from 2010, as known)
(Okul: School, Kültür Merkezi: cultural center)

Türkmenistan: 20 okul.

WTF

 

[CrimsonFury]

Turkey is still constitutional state. You should care, no matter what the sentencing is at least.

Yeah well we are under s State of Emergency so the government is fully authorised to do what it is doing. The government is backed by the parliament, people and the law...the rest is irrelevant. These assholes are getting everything they deserve. Furthermore I read the "report" from Amnesty...there is no proof whatsoever only allegations of rape and torture...I can write that the Pope has orgies with choirboys and claim that I have "credible sources".... Both Amnesty and HRW are tools of public opinion operated out of Washington. I hope Turkey does what Russia has been doing and forces these useless NGOs to get their acts in order or **** off from the country

 

[Solomon2]

Mate you seem to think Turkish people are looking at this through your lens...they are looking at it through mine. They want him dead or alive and will celebrate for a week were it to happen he was put on a plane to Ankara or sent to the afterlife via a subsonic round. His sources are already either caught or being hunted down, not one will be escaping this righteous purge

In the long run, was Rome better off for having murdered Caesar?

 

[CrimsonFury]

In the long run, was Rome better off for having murdered Caesar?

Lol...comparing Gulen to Caesar is like comparing a worm to an eagle. Compare Gulen to Khomeini and you will automatically answer your question

 

[Solomon2]

Lol...comparing Gulen to Caesar is like comparing a worm to an eagle. Compare Gulen to Khomeini and you will automatically answer your question

I was comparing Erdogan to Caesar.

Sure, murder Gulen and you might party for a week - but then you may suffer for a millennium afterwards.

 

[CrimsonFury]

I was comparing Erdogan to Caesar.

Sure, murder Gulen and you might party for a week - but then you may suffer for a millennium afterwards.

Nah I think we will fine with the head of a shady, religious cult bent on turning Turkey into a Sunni version of Iran dead in the ground. Gulen has reserved his place as one of the most hated figures by the Turkish public and nothing will fix that for him.

As for Erdogan, yes he has his minuses but overall he is more qualified than any current opposition leader. The problem you people have is that you approach the political situation in Turkey only from the Erdogan/AKP angle...you want to know the main reason he has been in power these past years?...the useless/fractured and weak opposition. Erdogan even said yesterday in an interview with the German ARD channel " I'm not a king". If the AKP were to lose an election and another opposition party gained 40% of the vote, they'd leave without a sound. That's the problem with Turkey at the moment...no opposition party has a leader and policies that would get them substantial votes from the AKP. And as long as this happens the AKP will be the dominant political party...well that's democracy is it not?

 

[OguzSenturk]

I think we should call him "Fethollah", not "Gülen". Gülen seems more modern name, and some of Western TVs already started to show him as modern and innocent old dude to western people.

We should show his real radical islamist dogmatic face, also western people would dislike him more if they learn his name as Fethollah.

 

[Solomon2]

Nah I think we will fine with the head of a shady, religious cult bent on turning Turkey into a Sunni version of Iran dead in the ground...As for Erdogan, yes he has his minuses but overall he is more qualified than any current opposition leader. The problem you people have is that you approach the political situation in Turkey only from the Erdogan/AKP angle...you want to know the main reason he has been in power these past years?...the useless/fractured and weak opposition. Erdogan even said yesterday in an interview with the German ARD channel " I'm not a king"...

OMG. I strongly suggest you review Roman history from the Social War through Octavian's Principate, then consider these matters again.

 

[-SINAN-]

ai say they have credible allegations

I can say that "Sun is purple " .....

This same organization had allegations against Turkish military that our soldiers killed Syrian civilians. Again....no proof presented.

 

[CrimsonFury]

OMG. I strongly suggest you review Roman history from the Social War through Octavian's Principate, then consider these matters again.

Stop trying to muddy the argument. Gulen tried to over throw an elected government, one way or another he will pay. Meanwhile read this:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/wh...rkey.aspx?pageID=449&nID=102070&NewsCatID=409