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If? You still have a question mark in your head? :disagree:

Isn't it ignorance to take on conclusions given by the media which can pull out a wag the dog type of stories all the time. In time we will get investigations and commissions during or after his time which will give us a full detailed rapport of the embezzlements they could have inflicted on the welfare of the people. But since I doubt we can get access to the full story we have to take assumptions with more recent developments. So to be religiously safe I am taking the position of He might have done it, he might not have done it. Basically the most hated group and colour in our society True Neutral(when it comes to politics). Iftira, once said and has been spread. It cannot be taken back. If its true you are lucky, but if its false. You cannot prepare for the situation which follows. Unlike with Koc. We know it. With Erdogan and others, he might have and he might not.
 
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Isn't it ignorance to take on conclusions given by the media which can pull out a wag the dog type of stories all the time. In time we will get investigations and commissions during or after his time which will give us a full detailed rapport of the embezzlements they could have inflicted on the welfare of the people. But since I doubt we can get access to the full story we have to take assumptions with more recent developments. So to be religiously safe I am taking the position of He might have done it, he might not have done it. Basically the most hated group and colour in our society True Neutral(when it comes to politics). Iftira, once said and has been spread. It cannot be taken back. If its true you are lucky, but if its false. You cannot prepare for the situation which follows. Unlike with Koc. We know it. With Erdogan and others, he might have and he might not.
You are quick to believe that Koc is corrupt from whatever source but easy in ignoring the hard evidences delivered about Erdogan.
Talking about being ''religiously safe'' :rolleyes1:
 
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You are quick to believe that Koc is corrupt from whatever source but easy in ignoring the hard evidences delivered about Erdogan.
Talking about being ''religiously safe'' :rolleyes1:

well. we can agree that we disagree. ^^. you dont have my references. I don't have yours. But we both have probably time so lets wait it out.
 
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You are quick to believe that Koc is corrupt from whatever source but easy in ignoring the hard evidences delivered about Erdogan.
Talking about being ''religiously safe'' :rolleyes1:

Our country has seen so many different ideological leaders and many weirdness in the past. Coups, early elections, weird coalitions..

Isn't it weird that, during all this time, families like Koc and Sabanci could keep their wealth secured from political ambitions of all those different heads that used to rule this country?

Why no one really messed around with them?

Well, cus they got what they wanted anyway, money.
 
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Our country has seen so many different ideological leaders and many weirdness in the past. Coups, early elections, weird coalitions..

Isn't it weird that, during all this time, families like Koc and Sabanci could keep their wealth secured from political ambitions of all those different heads that used to rule this country?

Why no one really messed around with them?

Well, cus they got what they wanted anyway, money.
They are called ''Industrials'' for something no? Its not like Turkey had no industry before AKP, they surely made one or two ''favours'' to politicians to get the permission for a factory here and there, no doubt about it.
But its something whole different if a politian, our head of the state in this case, makes everone around himself rich, lets talk about the real problem instead of the only companys that actually produce things thats half way competitive in world market.

Look at the biggest countrys having same traditional industrials such as Samsung, Mitsubishi, Siemens etc. but none of them has politians like ours.
Fix your prioritys people. :disagree:


BTW: when its about money...

Erdoğan: Koç yatırım yaptı kin tutmam! - Gündem Haberleri - Güncel Haber - Haber - Spor Haberleri- Sıcak haber - Yerel Haber

Most Erdogan lackeys cant even see things in front of their nose, their only ability is to repeat what their master says. (speaking generally, noone should take it personally.)
 
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i am one of erdogan supporter but i think he need rest ..he is so noisy and talk so much those days.just let prime minister rule it and enjoy retirments in cankaya.
 
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i am one of erdogan supporter but i think he need rest ..he is so noisy and talk so much those days.just let prime minister rule it and enjoy retirments in cankaya.
He plans to become 'the president', ya know..
 
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Whats with this new presidential system. Can someone explain it real quick? Is Turkey going to be like America or something?
 
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Whats with this new presidential system. Can someone explain it real quick? Is Turkey going to be like America or something?

Yeah, here is the proposal:

http://yenianayasa.tbmm.gov.tr/docs/adalet_ve_kalkinma_partisi_gorusleri.docx

I've checked all the laws about US president, senate, representatives etc, in the US constitution and compared them to the proposal AKP seems to be willing to go with.

The one conclusion I've come to is that... The proposal they offer is actually very well thought.

US presidents have almost any kind of power, and generally does not even need to inform the congress as well. The US president in general is like a king. But there is a one good reason for it.

The reason is, generally presidents and senates happen to be from different ideologies/parties, so they tend to be an *** towards each other.

But AKP simply copied US system and reduced the power of the president as increasing the power of the senate, but while doing it, they also fixed the 'what if president and senate would eat each other?' problem as well.

They did this by proposing that the presidential elections and general elections to be held in the same day, and both to have 5 years of period.

So, presidents and congress shall have same mindset in majority, which means there is less of a chance for conflicts within senate and presidents.

However, this also completes the 'kingdom system' somewhat. If a president would own a huge influential power in the majority of the congress, they might also end up being just a hand of the president and the president would be like totally free to do anything he wants.
 
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Gulen lobby influences US letter on Turkey

Some signatories to a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry by U.S. House members critical of Turkish press freedoms, have received financial benefits while insufficiently fact-checking claims made in the letter Anadolu Agency reported

Financial records show many of the signees have received political donations from entities linked to a movement led by U.S.-based Turkish preacher Fethullah Gulen.

In the Feb. 2 letter, lawmakers expressed concerns about recent arrests of media figures in Turkey. It specifically laid emphasis on proceedings against a Turkish media group linked to Gulen.

"According to multiple press reports, Ekrem Dumanli, the editor-in-chief of Zaman, a highly circulated daily newspaper in Turkey and Hidayet Karaca, CEO of Samanyolu Media Group, were arrested on Dec. 14, 2014, on questionable charges, bringing the total number of detained media personalities to 29," the letter said.

More than 400 individuals, 150 of whom were linked to Gulen, were monitored last year by the Turkish government on Twitter, according to the letter.

Specific emphasis on Gulen-linked media have raised doubts that many of the co-signers were motivated by political donations to their campaigns from individuals and foundations linked to Gulen rather than examining the assertions made in the letter.

Turkish officials have rejected the claims in the letter.

Turkey’s EU Affairs Minister Volkan Bozkir, who was on a visit to Washington last week, told reporters not a single journalist was detained in Turkey for expressing personal ideas or beliefs. The few who are currently detained are being held on charges of robbery, shooting and clashes with security officers.

He stressed the letter didn’t contain names of the detained. "They do not have the names of these 29 press members allegedly detained in Turkey. Furthermore, the facts in the text are not correct,” Bozkir said.

Eric Harris, press secretary for Rep. Gwen Moore, one of the letter’s co-signers, told The Anadolu Agency the letter was primarily authored by Arizona Republican Matt Salmon and Missouri Democratic Emanuel Cleaver.

Harris said the congresswoman’s advocacy for freedoms of expression and the press motivated her to sign the letter.

As with all letters that are drafter in the House, he said there was an extensive fact-checking process, based on cross checks with institutions from government agencies and non-governmental organizations as well as the Congressional Research Service.

"In terms of the specific number in the letter, I would refer you to the Rep. Salmon’s office and Rep. Cleaver’s office as they were the architects of the original text of the letter," said Harris.

The spokesperson also added that his boss’ staff trusted the documentation capability of the main sponsors' office.

"Since we did not write the letter itself, we weren’t the one who put the number down. We trust the guidance account of Rep. Salmon and Rep. Cleaver; if they did not have the correct number there, I am sure they would rectify that," he added.

The Anadolu Agency approached more than 70 of the co-signers to the letter and learned that the congresswoman’s office was not alone in trusting its main sponsors.

Dozens of representatives' offices declined to officially comment on the letter and referred questions to Salmon and Cleaver. Several confirmed they did not contribute to writing the text.

A communication director for one of the signatories told AA on the condition of anonymity that since he supported freedom of press in Turkey, the representative conceptually agreed with the letter.

He said, however, Salmon's office was in charge of collecting information about the names and affiliations of press members allegedly detained in Turkey.

"We looked into the letter once it was sent to our office; we thought there was something that we would certainly want to support, as it was in line with our legislative trajectory in the House," the official said.

He said he was unable to share any document relating to names and numbers specified in the letter but instead referred our requests for such information to Salmon's office.

In addition to the apparent lack of proper vetting of the claims made in the letter, many co-signers also did not make clear why a specific media group was singled out in the letter.

The letter specified two media figures linked to the Gulen movement and gave numbers related to the movement, which leaves an impression that the Gulen lobby played at least some role in drafting the letter and getting it signed.

Led by Fehtullah Gulen, the Gulen movement has been under scrutiny in Turkey. Officials linked to the movement are accused of conducting wiretaps of high-profile figures within the Turkish state as well as constructing a "parallel state" to overthrow the elected Turkish government.

The group was recently included in the National Security Strategy of Turkey as an organization that threatened the national security of the country. The Turkish government also removed dozens of high-profile bureaucrats from posts because of their alleged links to Gulen.

The preacher, who lives in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania, had his passport revoked in late January by the Turkish government, who then informed its U.S. counterparts about the revocation.

A Turkish court also issued an arrest warrant for Gulen and Turkey is readying documents to apply to Interpol to bring Gulen to justice in Turkey.

The letter to Kerry was sent in an atmosphere of the tensions between the Gulen movement and Turkish government, which can also leave the impression that pro-Gulen links in the U.S. Congress contributed to the letter’s draft and signing.

The Anadolu Agency combed records from the U.S. Federal Election Committee and found foundations and individuals in the U.S. linked to Gulen have donated more than $300,000 to political campaigns of dozens of lawmakers who signed the letter.

Rep. Henry Cuellar of Texas was the recipient of the largest amount in 2014 with $92,750. He was followed by Al Green of Texas who received $67,100; Shelia Jackson Lee of Texas got $14,000, Robert Aderholt of Alabama was given $24,800 and Jim Bridenstine of Oklahama collected $13,000.

The records show some donors made regular payments and in some cases family members of donors made financial contributions to the same representatives.

Representatives usually receive donations from their own constituencies for election campaigns, but among the co-signers of the letter some received campaign donations from Gulen-linked donors who lived outside of some representatives’ districts.

For example, Reps. Cuellar, Green and Aderholt simultaneously received similar amounts from donors in different states and districts than where the representatives have a constituency.

The main sponsors of the letter, Reps. Salmon and Cleaver, as well as dozens of other co-signers, were sponsored by Gulen-linked foundations in the U.S. for recent visits to Turkey where they met several Gulen-linked journalists and academics.

Among the co-signers, 22 were sponsored for trips to Turkey in 2013-14 which cost $171,000.

Rep. Salmon, one of the main architects of the letter, Henry Cuellar, Danny Davis, Mike Honda, and Aaron Schock personally visited Turkey while other lawmakers sent representatives from their offices.

The Turquoise Council of Americans and Eurasians, Turkish American Federation of Midwest, and Foundation of Intercultural Dialogue were among the Gulen-linked foundations that sponsored the trips.

Among the co-signers of the letter, 47 were Democrat and 41 were Republican.

Many were members of the Greek, Armenian and Israeli caucuses.

Co-signers Jackie Speier, Barbara Lee, Steve Israel, Grace Napolitano, Scott Garrett, Anna Eshoo, Mike Honda, Zoe Lofgren, Chris Van Hollen, Alan Lowenthal and Doug LaMalfa were also sponsors of the bills against Turkey regarding the 1915 events, also known as the Armenian allegations of "genocide" by the Ottoman Empire during World War I.


The majority of co-signers were from California, Illinois, Ohio and Texas – states with the most number of Gulen-linked chartered schools.
 
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Whats with this new presidential system. Can someone explain it real quick? Is Turkey going to be like America or something?
In a potential presidential system, Erdogan won't need to pass a proposal through the parliament to make a decision. It is a double edged sword. The good side is that some parties won't be able to sabotage decisions. The bad side is that when you have a bad president. He can do what he wants without asking the parliament.
 
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Guys.. Is this real?

Ankara Forced to Cancel Gallipoli Event due to Lack of International Interest | Asbarez Armenian News

ANKARA—Turkish President’s scheme to mark the Battle of Gallipoli on April 24 has failed, forcing Ankara to cancel the planned event, with Sunday’s Zaman reporting that the cancellation was due to the low number of heads of states to attend the ceremonies.
The newspaper quoted a government official, who wished to remain anonymous, as saying, “The Gallipoli celebrations have been canceled. All preparations have been suspended as the number of RSVPs to the invitation is not positive. Only five countries have accepted the invitation and they will not be represented by high-level officials.”

“The spectacle of Turkey’s failure to stage this April 24th Gallipoli farce speaks to the success of our longterm strategy of internationally isolating Ankara’s policy of genocide denial,” said Armenian National Committee of America Executive Director Aram Hamparian.

Leading up to the Gallipoli event, Erdogan had sent official invitations to more than 100 world leaders, including Armenian President Serge Sarkisian, to partake in the ceremonies. The date designated for these commemoration events—April 24—created uproar among Armenians worldwide, while Turkish human rights groups urged world leaders to boycott the Gallipoli events.

On Jan. 16, Sarkisian responded to Erdogan’s invitation to Turkey on April 24, in a strongly worded letter. “Turkey continues its conventional denial policy and is perfecting its instrumentation for distorting history. This time, Turkey is marking the 100th anniversary of the Battle of Gallipoli on April 24, even though the battle began on March 18, 1915 and lasted until late January 1916, while the Allies’ operation started on April 25,” he wrote, adding, “What is the purpose [of this] if not to distract the world’s attention from the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide?”
 
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Guys.. Is this real?

Ankara Forced to Cancel Gallipoli Event due to Lack of International Interest | Asbarez Armenian News

ANKARA—Turkish President’s scheme to mark the Battle of Gallipoli on April 24 has failed, forcing Ankara to cancel the planned event, with Sunday’s Zaman reporting that the cancellation was due to the low number of heads of states to attend the ceremonies.
The newspaper quoted a government official, who wished to remain anonymous, as saying, “The Gallipoli celebrations have been canceled. All preparations have been suspended as the number of RSVPs to the invitation is not positive. Only five countries have accepted the invitation and they will not be represented by high-level officials.”

“The spectacle of Turkey’s failure to stage this April 24th Gallipoli farce speaks to the success of our longterm strategy of internationally isolating Ankara’s policy of genocide denial,” said Armenian National Committee of America Executive Director Aram Hamparian.

Leading up to the Gallipoli event, Erdogan had sent official invitations to more than 100 world leaders, including Armenian President Serge Sarkisian, to partake in the ceremonies. The date designated for these commemoration events—April 24—created uproar among Armenians worldwide, while Turkish human rights groups urged world leaders to boycott the Gallipoli events.

On Jan. 16, Sarkisian responded to Erdogan’s invitation to Turkey on April 24, in a strongly worded letter. “Turkey continues its conventional denial policy and is perfecting its instrumentation for distorting history. This time, Turkey is marking the 100th anniversary of the Battle of Gallipoli on April 24, even though the battle began on March 18, 1915 and lasted until late January 1916, while the Allies’ operation started on April 25,” he wrote, adding, “What is the purpose [of this] if not to distract the world’s attention from the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide?”
I dont know bu how is gallipoli related to Armenians anyway? Seeking attention much?
 
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