Turkish Politics & Internal Affairs

[-SINAN-]

I won't answer all of your post. Our views differ very strongly as i can never agree with you.

So many of Turkish people want to see this but in a true ways

Just, a source will be good. We can also do a poll in our section if you want.

 

[AUz]

Mate, he can support Erdogan its his business and we should respect his oppinnion even if we dont agree with him, no need to give people names like this or that, i mean we dont know him and his ideology.

He probably only sees the Economical success from the outside while he doesnt know whats going on inside of Turkey and which problems we are facing today.

I kinda understand him, he sees the success and doesnt understand why so many people oppose AKP, but one thing us for sure, he shouldnt act as if he knows everything and defend AKP with false infos.

Yes. Thank you for this line.

Anyone 'defending' Erdogan doesn't become an "islamist"...Moreover, Islamist is a retarded term with no real meaning. It was created by idiotic Western bigots who would like to see everything in black and white and if anyone doesn't follow their line, they will call it "Socialist, Islamist, Communist, Nationalist" blah blah blah...

We should not get lost in this Western mumbo jumbo and lose our own selves.

Having said that, I can also understand why some Turks might feel irritated when some outsider tries to tell them whats good for their country..since obviously Turks live there and know better whats good.

I really hope Turkey to become powerful, independent, stronger, and prosperous with more unity and political stability.

A strong Turkey can assert itself in the Middle-East and hopefully will spread its model of economics, moderate approach, and stability to countries like Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, and so on.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

I won't answer all of your post. Our views differ very strongly as i can never agree with you.



Just, a source will be good. We can also do a poll in our section if you want.

Peoples not saying that i wanna see caliphate but they are feeling like that, belive me. If you speak religous people sincerely you will understand my friend.

So i have spoke with lots of people who have different ideas even they are from different nations, religious and sections...

 

[-SINAN-]

Peoples not saying that i wanna see caliphate but they are feeling like that, belive me. If you speak religous people sincerely you will understand my friend.

So i have spoke with lots of people who have different ideas even they are from different nations, religious and sections...

No source, no polls, no data just your personal opinions. I just wanted to stress out this fact.

Thank you.

 

[AUz]

I have argued with that guy before. I know how he thinks.

Some guys still try to seperate/label my people as Secularist vs Islamist. And i'm bored of saying there is no such thing in Turkey.

I don't.

I am VERY against the mythical label of "Islamists" ...There are Muslims, but nothing as "islamists" ...

- We are largely muslim
- And we don't want Sharia... some foreigner people can't understand this fact.

Islamic Shari'ah, for the most part, is already part of Turkey. The problem is that you tend to see Shari'ah from Western point of view (because of Western media dominance, they just change narrative of people to their own flawed narrative. Damn it)...

Many Turkish girls choose to wear Hijab...Many Turks don't drink/drink less....Many Turks fast in Ramadan..Many Turks give zakkat...Many Turks don't eat pork...Many Turks go to Mosques on Fridays....and there are so, so many more things integrated to the daily lives of Turkish people.

This IS 'Shari'ah' .....

The problem here is that whenever people here the world "Shari'ah", the imagine a theocratic, anti-women, crazy type of Taliban style forceful government....


NOBODY wants that...I don't want it for myself, nor for you. Honestly, I don't care about Shari'ah..because as I said, Shariah is already part of daily lives of Turkish culture...

 

[olcayto]

Hmmm, this is going to be a splendid debate. Let's wait until everyone else hops on th trainwagons to enjoy this ride

 

[-SINAN-]

I don't.

I am VERY against the mythical label of "Islamists" ...There are Muslims, but nothing as "islamists" ...



Islamic Shari'ah, for the most part, is already part of Turkey. The problem is that you tend to see Shari'ah from Western point of view (because of Western media dominance, they just change narrative of people to their own flawed narrative. Damn it)...

Many Turkish girls choose to wear Hijab...Many Turks don't drink/drink less....Many Turks fast in Ramadan..Many Turks give zakkat...Many Turks don't eat pork...Many Turks go to Mosques on Fridays....and there are so, so many more things integrated to the daily lives of Turkish people.

This IS 'Shari'ah' .....

The problem here is that whenever people here the world "Shari'ah", the imagine a theocratic, anti-women, crazy type of Taliban style forceful government....


NOBODY wants that...I don't want it for myself, nor for you. Honestly, I don't care about Shari'ah..because as I said, Shariah is already part of daily lives of Turkish culture...

Seems like you started to get it.

If i'm fasting in Ramadan or go to friday prayers that would be my decision not governments. Nobody should be able to determine the way of life that i wanna live.

 

[[TR]AHMET]

No source, no polls, no data just your personal opinions. I just wanted to stress out this fact.

Thank you.

What can i say yes it is my personal opinion but i know lots of people who think like that.

Regards.

 

[xenon54 out]

The problem here is that whenever people here the world "Shari'ah", the imagine a theocratic, anti-women, crazy type of Taliban style forceful government....

But this is whats happening in the Sharia led countrys, as you said many Turks are allready religious and there are almost no atheists in Turkish society but we just dont want a theocratic state for obvious reasons.

In short we have a Democratic Secular state, at the same time most are Religious and can practice it freely, Turks are happy with this and dont want a change.

 

[usernameless]

I think our Turkish people quickly mix any religious interference as 'islamist' (read; sharia based, mullahs and whatnot), while foreign muslims mix Turkey's secular stance with 'anti-islam', which is also not true.

European nations are always looked up to due their great democratic performance, but you shouldn't forget that countries such as Netherlands' CDA and Germany's CDU (and probably some more european nations) current ruling parties are christian based. Check up their names and the reason why they included 'christian' in their party names. That's allowed and respected, but in Turkey putting even 'muslim/islam' in a party's name would be frowned upon, im sure of that. Turkey's population is by far muslim, that's a fact, so of course there will be a party that will satisfy these people, just like how there are parties that distances from any religion, which should be respected too. I just can't understand why people feel so worried about some islamic influence in politics, because in the end we got a great share of our morals and values from religion as well, just like how those aforementioned european christian parties state this in their party background. Our people are not stupid and will not allow Turkey to become a second (typical example) 'Iran' or 'Saudi Arabia', which many of our people fear for, that would be outward political suicide for any party.

 

[AUz]

Seems like you started to get it.

No, seems like YOU have started to get it.

Supporters of Erdogan, or Morsi, or others aren't so called mythical "Islamists" ...Nor do they want Erdogan/Morsi etc to "force" niqabs on all Turkish/Egyptian women.

Most "reasonable" people like/support these leaders because they represent people's voice, and not the colonial 'elites' appointed by West throughout Muslim World.

That is why you'll see people supporting Erdogan of Turkey, Mahatir Muhammad of Malaysia, Morsi in Egypt, and even Islamic regime in Iran.....

They aren't perfect..and they need alot of reformation...but atleast these people, with all their deficiencies...start the process of 'people's empowerment' in their respective countries. If these people don't perform/fail, they can be kicked out...

Therefore such people have more support among people like me than say Western backed Shah of Iran, or Military regime in Egypt etc.

It doesn't make me some "islamist" crap....it is just that I want progress for Muslim countries throughout the globe in determining their own future.

If i'm fasting in Ramadan or go to friday prayers that would be my decision not governments. Nobody should be able to determine the way of life that i wanna live.

Yes. Nobody can force you to fast in Ramadan or pray. That is against Shari'ah to begin with....

 

[[TR]AHMET]

Seems like you started to get it.


If i'm fasting in Ramadan or go to friday prayers that would be my decision not governments. Nobody should be able to determine the way of life that i wanna live.

We think complately same and i awared that you are think Ak party will change everything like pervert Mullahs of Iran, isnt it ?

I think Ak party not purpose that, they are only try get rid off old system and do it more properly.

If Ak party do samething like Iran mullahs, second day AK Party voters to kick Erdogan ***! you can sure that

Maybe they did some mistakes it is possible because they are human not prophet, but i believe that they are try to provide equal rights for all sides.


Lets get some infos regarding to Iran, just click it İRAN TEHLİKESİ

 

[olcayto]

Hmmmm, let me throw some fuel on the fire.
Lifting the caliphate completely from Turkey was a very bad decission.

 

[AUz]

But this is whats happaning in the Sharia led countrys,

There are no 'sharia' led states man...

Do you think Saudis are 'Sharia' state?

Nobody wants kingship....

In short we have a Democratic Secular state, at the same time most are Religious and can practice it freely, Turks are happy with this and dont want a change.

And everyone else is happy with it too....Me, Erdogan, and all my "islamisttttttt" brothers are happy with this too... lol Nobody can even think of changing the moderate face of Turkey by idiotic Alqaeda style brutal government..God forbid, even the thought of a great country like Turkey going the way of Al Qaeda barbarism gives me chills.

NEVER!

I hope Turkey always remain a good, moderate, prosperous Muslim nation as it is...

 

[xenon54 out]

European nations are always looked up to due their great democratic performance, but you shouldn't forget that countries such as Netherlands' CDA and Germany's CDU (and probably some more european nations) current ruling parties are christian based. Check up their names and the reason why they included 'christian' in their party names.

Seems like we have the same thinking but you also should consider that many Islamists openly say that they dont respect any other system than sharia, thats also a reason why people look sceptical at political Islam.

BTW: this is my post at the Iranian section.

Nope, people choose a conservative party which also exists in US and almost every European country.
The overwhelming majority supports secularism in Turkey.