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THATS NOT TRUE I saw that same video a long time ago.
Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions
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THATS NOT TRUE I saw that same video a long time ago.
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In Syria, Turkey's Best-Laid Plans Go Awry
https://www.stratfor.com/sample/geopolitical-diary/syria-turkeys-best-laid-plans-go-awry
The saying goes that all's fair in love and war. Turkey learned that lesson firsthand last Thursday when the Manbij Military Council announced that it had struck a deal with Russia to hand control of the villages in western Manbij to loyalist forces. For weeks prior to the revelation, officials in the Turkish government had been touting their plan to seize Manbij and had even started moving forces toward the city after capturing al-Bab. Just hours before Russia confirmed the deal on Friday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan remained adamant that Turkey would take Manbij and drive the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) out of the city. Russia's arrangement with the Manbij Military Council, however, will seriously complicate that plan.
The announcement and its subsequent confirmation came as a shock to Ankara. Since 2016, Turkey has been steadily mending ties with Russia in the wake of a falling-out that occurred when Turkish forces shot down a Russian military jet in November 2015. Reconciling with Russia paved the way for Turkey's incursion into Syria, which enabled Ankara to prevent the YPG from connecting its Afrin and Kobani cantons. But the partnership had not yet run its course, at least from Turkey's perspective. Ankara was still counting on Russia to insulate Turkish troops from a direct confrontation with loyalist forces as they continue their efforts against the YPG.
Russia likewise benefited from better ties with Turkey. By targeting Kurdish forces, for instance, Turkey undermined the rebels' cohesion, helping Russian-backed loyalist fighters to seize the critical city of Aleppo. Turkey, moreover, has been vital in facilitating Russia's eventual exit from the conflict, not only by pressuring rebel forces to adopt a cease-fire but also by persuading rebel groups to join peace talks in Astana, Kazakhstan. In addition, Ankara's preoccupation with the Kurds diverted its troops from the fight against Syrian President Bashar al Assad's administration and created tension with the United States, the rebels' other main foreign backer.
So why would Russia suddenly turn on Turkey with its Manbij agreement? The move, after all, could impede Moscow's agenda in Syria by shifting Turkey's attention toward al Assad's forces — now with the added motive of revenge against Russia. On the other hand, having thwarted Turkey's Manbij offensive, Russia has all but ensured that the United States can carry out its Raqqa offensive as planned without much interference from Turkey. And Ankara's loss could be Moscow's gain.
For Russia, improving its relationship with the United States is a much bigger priority than improving its relationship with Turkey. The uproar in Washington over alleged ties between U.S. President Donald Trump's administration and Moscow dashed the Kremlin's hopes for a swift end to the United States' sanctions regime. That means Moscow needs to find an important and attractive opportunity for collaboration with the United States to salvage its relationship with Washington. The Raqqa offensive fits the bill. Trump has long advocated staging a joint military initiative with Russia against the Islamic State. Now that the Manbij deal has more or less sidelined Turkey, Russia is in a better position to push for greater cooperation with the United States in Syria.
A rapprochement in Syria between the United States and Russia is far from guaranteed, though. The U.S. military, in particular, is still highly suspicious of Russia's motives. Nevertheless, by intervening in Manbij, Russia has demonstrated that it can be useful to the United States and that, in fact, it is willing to jeopardize other partnerships to help Washington out. And besides, its relationship with Turkey hasn't been damaged beyond repair; Russian President Vladimir Putin can use his meeting with Erdogan in Moscow this Thursday as a chance to clear the air.
Russia took a risk with its Manbij move, but the reward could certainly be worth it. Working with the United States in Syria could help Russia bring an end to the acrimonious streak in its relationship with the West that has wreaked havoc on its economic and security interests. Furthermore, Russia has an out even if the Manbij maneuver fails: It could always pull back from the agreement and facilitate a Turkish offensive on the city, giving Washington further incentive to maintain an understanding with Moscow on the Syrian conflict.
https://www.stratfor.com/sample/geopolitical-diary/syria-turkeys-best-laid-plans-go-awry
The saying goes that all's fair in love and war. Turkey learned that lesson firsthand last Thursday when the Manbij Military Council announced that it had struck a deal with Russia to hand control of the villages in western Manbij to loyalist forces. For weeks prior to the revelation, officials in the Turkish government had been touting their plan to seize Manbij and had even started moving forces toward the city after capturing al-Bab. Just hours before Russia confirmed the deal on Friday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan remained adamant that Turkey would take Manbij and drive the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) out of the city. Russia's arrangement with the Manbij Military Council, however, will seriously complicate that plan.
The announcement and its subsequent confirmation came as a shock to Ankara. Since 2016, Turkey has been steadily mending ties with Russia in the wake of a falling-out that occurred when Turkish forces shot down a Russian military jet in November 2015. Reconciling with Russia paved the way for Turkey's incursion into Syria, which enabled Ankara to prevent the YPG from connecting its Afrin and Kobani cantons. But the partnership had not yet run its course, at least from Turkey's perspective. Ankara was still counting on Russia to insulate Turkish troops from a direct confrontation with loyalist forces as they continue their efforts against the YPG.
Russia likewise benefited from better ties with Turkey. By targeting Kurdish forces, for instance, Turkey undermined the rebels' cohesion, helping Russian-backed loyalist fighters to seize the critical city of Aleppo. Turkey, moreover, has been vital in facilitating Russia's eventual exit from the conflict, not only by pressuring rebel forces to adopt a cease-fire but also by persuading rebel groups to join peace talks in Astana, Kazakhstan. In addition, Ankara's preoccupation with the Kurds diverted its troops from the fight against Syrian President Bashar al Assad's administration and created tension with the United States, the rebels' other main foreign backer.
So why would Russia suddenly turn on Turkey with its Manbij agreement? The move, after all, could impede Moscow's agenda in Syria by shifting Turkey's attention toward al Assad's forces — now with the added motive of revenge against Russia. On the other hand, having thwarted Turkey's Manbij offensive, Russia has all but ensured that the United States can carry out its Raqqa offensive as planned without much interference from Turkey. And Ankara's loss could be Moscow's gain.
For Russia, improving its relationship with the United States is a much bigger priority than improving its relationship with Turkey. The uproar in Washington over alleged ties between U.S. President Donald Trump's administration and Moscow dashed the Kremlin's hopes for a swift end to the United States' sanctions regime. That means Moscow needs to find an important and attractive opportunity for collaboration with the United States to salvage its relationship with Washington. The Raqqa offensive fits the bill. Trump has long advocated staging a joint military initiative with Russia against the Islamic State. Now that the Manbij deal has more or less sidelined Turkey, Russia is in a better position to push for greater cooperation with the United States in Syria.
A rapprochement in Syria between the United States and Russia is far from guaranteed, though. The U.S. military, in particular, is still highly suspicious of Russia's motives. Nevertheless, by intervening in Manbij, Russia has demonstrated that it can be useful to the United States and that, in fact, it is willing to jeopardize other partnerships to help Washington out. And besides, its relationship with Turkey hasn't been damaged beyond repair; Russian President Vladimir Putin can use his meeting with Erdogan in Moscow this Thursday as a chance to clear the air.
Russia took a risk with its Manbij move, but the reward could certainly be worth it. Working with the United States in Syria could help Russia bring an end to the acrimonious streak in its relationship with the West that has wreaked havoc on its economic and security interests. Furthermore, Russia has an out even if the Manbij maneuver fails: It could always pull back from the agreement and facilitate a Turkish offensive on the city, giving Washington further incentive to maintain an understanding with Moscow on the Syrian conflict.
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Turkish PM: We may not take Manbij without having US, Russian support
https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...ake-manbij-without-having-us-russian-support/
The Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim revealed on Monday that Turkey may abandon its plan to capture the Kurdish-held city of Manbij in Syria’s north because of Russia’s and America’s support for the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) who hold the city.
“Without coordination with the US and Russia in Manbij, there is no point in continuing operations,” he said on Monday.
In recent days, US troops has been seen operating around Manbij, with Russian flags also seen.
Yildirim then went onto suggest removing the Kurdish YPG, the dominating militia in the SDF, from Manbij could be a comprise.
The YPG, the Syrian extension of the Kurdistan Worker’s Party based in Turkey, is recognized as a terrorist group by Ankara.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...ake-manbij-without-having-us-russian-support/
The Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim revealed on Monday that Turkey may abandon its plan to capture the Kurdish-held city of Manbij in Syria’s north because of Russia’s and America’s support for the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) who hold the city.
“Without coordination with the US and Russia in Manbij, there is no point in continuing operations,” he said on Monday.
In recent days, US troops has been seen operating around Manbij, with Russian flags also seen.
Yildirim then went onto suggest removing the Kurdish YPG, the dominating militia in the SDF, from Manbij could be a comprise.
The YPG, the Syrian extension of the Kurdistan Worker’s Party based in Turkey, is recognized as a terrorist group by Ankara.
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@Kuwaiti Girl supporting PKK/PYD actions and speaking with their mouths and trolling in Turkish defence section itself is an insult to Turkish people who gave own lives to protect this nation against those bastards.Threadban issued for a while...
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You should. Americans and Russians are now closer to the Kurds more than ever and Turkey are becoming isolated more than ever which makes no sense why Turkey are still dependent on them. It is like history is repeating itself.
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You guys are becoming so emotional whenever KuwaitiGirl post, I still don't know why is it so hard for you guys to refute her when it is becoming very clear to see their agenda.
Also, like Bashar's father, I believe his son would want to do what his father did in the 90s against Turkey by using the Kurds. I wouldn't be surprise if Assad, Russia and America are secretly doing this since they're all protecting the Kurdish groups now. Not to mention, Erdogan openly hate Assad regime and fully support opposition which is something Bashar won't forget.
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The Turkish military is not the old Turkish military smitten with foreign masters, spies and traitors. Our primary concern is PKK - ISIS, the Americans, Esad or the Russians are of secondary concern. Even if the Americans or the Russians keep supporting PKK they will have to make a decision, sooner or later, Turkey or PKK
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So Manbij will remain in Kurdish hands which means that Damascus has lost the city forever. Another victory for Assad!
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Your opinion is also shared by a lot of Turkish members who know we shouldn't trust Americans or Russians too much as they are just chasing their own interests in the war. So is Assad and every player in the war. They have worked against us in the past and are doing it again which is not a surprize. Believe me that to most sane people in Turkey it is not hard to see the things you mentoined, we know that the only real ally we have in this world are all other Turks around the world and a bunch of nations we have good ties with from our history (Pakistani people and our Bosnian and Balkan Muslim brothers).
The reason we are against KuwaitiGirl/Kutsuit or whatever her nickname is is not because we are a bunch of delusional people living in a dream world where we are the superpower... we are just tired of her bullsh*t. Don't expect from us to like her when she is making her PKK propaganda against our nation, hating on our country all around the web and when she disrespects our fallen brothers and sisters who gave their lives for Turkey and it's people.
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