Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions

[Tameem]

Is This True??
https://news.sol.org.tr/syrian-forces-reaches-sdf-positions-manbij-171719

 

[Deliorman]

@Khagan1923 , the worst thing is not the (let's say) 50-100 Americans fighting for the PKK but the huge amount of weapons the Pentagon gave to those terrorists- a lot of which to be used only against Turkey as ISIS doesn't have any tanks or helicopters in their arsenal. They gave them not only weapons but also training and protection. Exactly like what happened in Afghanistan with the Talibans but this time it's not the USSR as the enemy, but it's us. What a great allies we have, huh?

 

[HannibalBarca]

@Khagan1923 , the worst thing is not the (let's say) 50-100 Americans fighting for the PKK but the huge amount of weapons the Pentagon gave to those terrorists- a lot of which to be used only against Turkey as ISIS doesn't have any tanks or helicopters in their arsenal. They gave them not only weapons but also training and protection. Exactly like what happened in Afghanistan with the Talibans but this time it's not the USSR as the enemy, but it's us. What a great allies we have, huh?

Ally concept DO NOT exist.. Interest does...only...

 

[SouI]

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...calls-turkey-release-selahattin-demirtas.html


.. we have such a shitty foreign policiy its unbelievable.

All these stupidities happen because we never had a Kemalist government in Turkey except for Atatürk's era.

If we would get one today, I assure you all our problems would be over within 2-3 years.

 

[HannibalBarca]

All these stupidities happen because we never had a Kemalist government in Turkey except for Atatürk's era.

If we would get one today, I assure you all our problems would be over within 2-3 years.

Do you think "Kemalism" is somthing/one send by GOD ???
To answer all your problems?

 

[KediKesenFare3]

https://twitter.com/x/status/836634384149143552

 

[xenon54 out]

Everything a side we have no contact to isis anymore which is something positive.

 

[Tameem]

Everything a side we have no contact to isis anymore which is something positive.

Exactly...I mean, how could Asad forces over-run ISIS controlled areas in a matter of a day and reach at PKK...astonishing!!

 

[xenon54 out]

Exactly...I mean, how could Asad forces over-run ISIS controlled areas in a matter of a day and reach at PKK...astonishing!!

To be fair same happened in the begginnig of ES.

 

[mahatir]

Exactly...I mean, how could Asad forces over-run ISIS controlled areas in a matter of a day and reach at PKK...astonishing!!

Isis retreated to diet haft after AL bab defeat

 

[SouI]

Do you think "Kemalism" is somthing/one send by GOD ???
To answer all your problems?

Ataturk was harsh. And you NEED to be harsh against terrorism.

Do you think the government (and the previous ones) chose Cizre and Nusaybin and their ills as places of operation... randomly?

The state analyzes social structures all across the country and does its operations where the ratio of PKK support is about 100%. And there ARE such places.

In some place there is support of only about 0.1%, like in the blacksea regions, and in some places it goes up to 30%, some 50%, some 80%, some 95% and some 99.9-100%.

Then the state announces it will start anti-terrorist operation in a place, say in Cizre/Nusaybin, and wait for people to evacuate..

AND THAT IS WRONG! They do it like that to catch the "hardcore" PKK supporters, knowing that they, even after announcements, would still not leave their place because "protecting k**distan against foşşik Tece" after all..

But just catching the hardcore is not enough.

We need to KILL all PKK supporters, that is the only way to beat them!

We are saying "they are.just children, we can't kill them..", but the terrorists we are killing today are 14-17 years old.

They were also seen as children and not killed 13-16 years ago when they were 1 year old.

And the kids we are ignoring today will be killed in anti-terrorist operations 13-15 years later from now on.

This scheme is admittedly not working and is just not efficient at all.

Their numbers are rising every year too due to very high birth-rates.

The current sratus-quo is not sustainable.

Children that grow up in PKK supporting environments ARE going to become PKK terrorist. All their families, relatives, friends and everyone they see around their livelihoods are PKK terrorists, so that will be the ideology they will be stuck with.

When the state sees an area where there is >95% PKK support rate, instead of taking those people to somewhere else to destroy the empty infrastructure and 100-200 terrorists that decided to stay instead of leaving temporarily, we just need to hint down every PKK supporter instead, and yes, that is killing them.

If Ataturk were alive that is what he would do, and that also is the only possible solution that can fix this terror problem.

Look at Chechens, Russians did the same policy, and now Chechens learned not to be naughty against their country.

Trying to see PKK members as "humans" (well they look like himans, because they ARE humans, but we should look them differently when fighting as they look at us differently also. Even liberal utopias like Canada, Australia, France, Sweden, Denmark etc just blindly bomb the shit out of them withoit questioning the human matters, even while accepting the great amount of "collateral damage" that is like +50% civilian casualties) and pitying them will not solve any problem.

 

[mahatir]

Everything a side we have no contact to isis anymore which is something positive.

Pyd will be under pressure fighting on 2 front Isis and ES forces . If turkey open tel refaat front simultaneously with Manji operation pyd would be forces to stop their riqqah operation

 

[Tameem]

US is in very precarious situation, Turkey is about to confront their assets in Syria head-on in Manbij, what will trump do? Fight Against Turkey(2nd Largest Military Nation in Nato)? or abandon their Allies to Burn?......where are my popcorns.

 

[mahatir]

Ataturk was harsh. And you NEED to be harsh against terrorism.

Do you think the government (and the previous ones) chose Cizre and Nusaybin and their ills as places of operation... randomly?

The state analyzes social structures all across the country and does its operations where the ratio of PKK support is about 100%. And there ARE such places.

In some place there is support of only about 0.1%, like in the blacksea regions, and in some places it goes up to 30%, some 50%, some 80%, some 95% and some 99.9-100%.

Then the state announces it will start anti-terrorist operation in a place, say in Cizre/Nusaybin, and wait for people to evacuate..

AND THAT IS WRONG! They do it like that to catch the "hardcore" PKK supporters, knowing that they, even after announcements, would still not leave their place because "protecting k**distan against foşşik Tece" after all..

But just catching the hardcore is not enough.

We need to KILL all PKK supporters, that is the only way to beat them!

We are saying "they are.just children, we can't kill them..", but the terrorists we are killing today are 14-17 years old.

They were also seen as children and not killed 13-16 years ago when they were 1 year old.

And the kids we are ignoring today will be killed in anti-terrorist operations 13-15 years later from now on.

This scheme is admittedly not working and is just not efficient at all.

Their numbers are rising every year too due to very high birth-rates.

The current sratus-quo is not sustainable.

Children that grow up in PKK supporting environments ARE going to become PKK terrorist. All their families, relatives, friends and everyone they see around their livelihoods are PKK terrorists, so that will be the ideology they will be stuck with.

When the state sees an area where there is >95% PKK support rate, instead of taking those people to somewhere else to destroy the empty infrastructure and 100-200 terrorists that decided to stay instead of leaving temporarily, we just need to hint down every PKK supporter instead, and yes, that is killing them.

If Ataturk were alive that is what he would do, and that also is the only possible solution that can fix this terror problem.

Look at Chechens, Russians did the same policy, and now Chechens learned not to be naughty against their country.

Trying to see PKK members as "humans" (well they look like himans, because they ARE humans, but we should look them differently when fighting as they look at us differently also. Even liberal utopias like Canada, Australia, France, Sweden, Denmark etc just blindly bomb the shit out of them withoit questioning the human matters, even while accepting the great amount of "collateral damage" that is like +50% civilian casualties) and pitying them will not solve any problem.

Both cizre and nusaiybin were raised to the ground and it will be a clear message for others that their towns will be destroyed if they harbor pkk peasants . Current Turkish government is far more aggressive in its pkk operation than previous ones I guess purge of Gulenist generals played a big role in this .

You can't compare president Ataturk to Erdogan after all Ataturk was a military general and had experience in dealing with insurgencies and unconventional warfare .

 

[Khagan1923]

Hope we won't join raqqa. Let the worms die in the city and let the arab population rise up against their opression, maybe it will lead other arab cities to take up arms against them, even if they join assad after that. Plus the massacres the US will need to do so ypg doesn't destroyed in the city will be high leading the arabs to hate them even more.