Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions

[CrimsonFury]

Thats nice and sweet in theory

But such venture, use to turn into long lasting ones where everything is possible

Erdogan used to embrace roll of hyena in torning corpse of Syria apart. But now rolls had changed, and no longer Assad is jeopardy , but the turkish security, and the stakes are high

Have a feeling you must be ending which much more serious consequences for inciting syrian turmoil and misery. Erdogan is doomed either way. Real game has just began. Enjoy

Oh we will enjoy it. Just, for your sake, don't get in our way

 

[[TR]AHMET]

30 minutes ago vaillage of Kıvırcık captured

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Pakistan should give limited support by sending in intelligence officers and small SOF groups.

 

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[OguzSenturk]

Many Turks also live in poor quality of life. I am really sick of those "muh victim kurds" arguments. It doesnt work duuude, find something else.

 

[usernameless]

But that doesnt stop kurdish insurgency, with various forms and intensity

Many kurds are living in rural areas, with poor quality of life and have little to choose. So far they were a useful tool for USA interest. In future they could be a tool of someone else. Another thing, which I already mentiones, there are many fire arms, landmines and ATGMS in the region. And there are vast spaces of Iraqu Kurdistan

Turkey can supress kurds, but cant destroy them with conventional weapons. Kurds could easily turn to someones leverage, to make Turkey pay for serious expenses, they end up paying, keeping Assads regime above surface

And even, Erdogan, expressed apologies to Russia, Im not so sure Russia will rest the case

Turmoil with turkish participance leaves Turkey much more vulnerable, as a target in proxy war

Ocalan, main founder of pkk, announced in 2013 that the fighting phase for pkk is over and that solution must be found democratically. If their leader said this, then what is pkk's goal now? What more do they want after achieving their goal of equal rights? Pkk has become nothing more than proxy of US and any other that wants to indirectly attack Turkey. They don't represent average Kurd anymore as even ~40% of south east votes for AKP and oppress Kurds that have different ideologies or simply don't want to support pkk.

Right, Kurds unfortunately don't have the same standard of living yet, and past govts failed to invest there, but pkk is also responsible for scaring away Turkish and Kurdish investors, schools etc., just to keep south east poor, uneducated, jobless. Because of these factors people there of course can be brainwashed easier and join pkk because they have nothing better to do with their life.

'Suppress Kurds'??? Kurdish people are living in a golden age compared to the past. Kurds have equal rights, are everywhere in the society and government, all thanks to the AKP, the party which pkk lovers hate. It's not a surprise that ~40% of Kurds in south east voted for AKP, and trust me this will increase after Kurds lost trust and faith in the HDP (pkk's political wing) after fiascos. Plus the FACT that the majority of Kurdish citizens that are loyal compatriots of me and have never risen up massively despite having clear numerical superiority in south east is the best answer for separatists like you Even AKP has Kurdish ministers. How little you know. Not gonna waste more time on you. Just say you can't accept the fact that Turkey, with its sunni, alevi, Kurdish and other ethnicities, has been successful in nation building while your Assad's policies have failed and made it easy for US to cut Syria up.

 

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Hilvaniye and Tel Şair villages captured

 

[OguzSenturk]

Hilvaniye and Tel Şair villages about fall!

Yabancı basına göre oralar bir saat önceden ele geçirildi

 

[Devil Soul]

Syria Jarablus: Turkish tanks roll into northern Syria

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Image captionSmoke billows after an air strike on Jarablus, Syria, 24 August
A dozen Turkish tanks and other vehicles have rolled across the Syrian border after heavy shelling of an area held by so-called Islamic State (IS).

Military sources told Turkish media 70 targets in the Jarablus area had been destroyed by artillery and rocket strikes, and 12 by air strikes.

Turkish-backed Syrian rebels are accompanying the Turkish advance.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the operation was aimed against both IS and Kurdish fighters.

Turkey shelled Syrian Kurdish forces in the region this week, determined not to let them fill the vacuum if IS leaves, the BBC's Mark Lowen reports from Gaziantep, near the Syrian border.

The concern in Ankara is that the Kurds could create an autonomous area close to the border which might foster Kurdish separatism within Turkey itself, our correspondent says.

In another development, counter-terror police in Turkey's main city, Istanbul, launched dawn raids targeting IS suspects across the city.

US Vice-President Joe Biden arrived in Turkey on Wednesday in the highest-ranking visit by a Western official since the failed coup on 15 July.

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'Village taken'
The tanks were followed by pick-up trucks believed to be carrying Turkish-backed Syrian rebels from the Free Syrian Army (FSA).

The FSA said its fighters had taken control of the village of Hjeliya near Jarablus. The operation was moving slowly, it said, because of mines planted by IS in the area.

"We're going on until full liberation of Jarablus city from terrorist ISIL [IS]," said one of its commanders, Captain Abo Ibraheem.

President Erdogan announced in a speech in Ankara: "At 04:00 [01:00 GMT] our forces began an operation against the Daesh [IS] and PYD [Kurdish Democratic Union Party] terror groups."

The offensive was aimed at "putting an end" to problems on the border, he said.

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Image captionAt least a dozen tanks were involved

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Image captionFighters said to be from the Free Syrian Army followed the tanks in pick-up trucks

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Image captionA coach said to be carrying Syrian rebels was spotted by reporters in Karkamis

 

[Devil Soul]

The Turkish town of Karkamis - just across the border from Jarablus - was evacuated as a precaution following earlier IS mortar attacks.

Turkey has vowed to "completely cleanse" IS from its border region, blaming the group for a bomb attack on a wedding that killed at least 54 people in Gaziantep on Saturday.

This is Turkey's first known ground incursion into Syria since a brief operation to relocate the tomb of Suleyman Shah, a revered Ottoman figure, in February of last year.

The air strikes are Turkey's first inside Syria since the downing of a Russian jet in November. Moscow and Ankara only mended ties in June after punitive Russian sanctions.

'A buffer against the Kurds'
An unnamed senior US official in Washington told BBC News before the start of the Turkish operation that it was "partly to create a buffer against the possibility of the Kurds moving forward".

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Image captionKarakamis - which borders Jarablus - has been evacuated
Fighters from the Syrian Kurd YPG militia - the military wing of the PYD - led the battle to drive IS out of the strategic crossroads town of Manbij earlier this month.

Responding to news of the Turkish advance, PYD leader Saleh Moslem tweeted that Turkey was now in the "Syrian quagmire" and would be defeated like IS.

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Turkey views the YPG as an extension of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), a Turkish-Kurdish rebel group fighting for autonomy since the 1980s, but the YPG is backed by the US as one of the most effective forces battling IS.

On Tuesday the YPG took control of most of the north-eastern Syrian city of Hassakeh after a truce reportedly brokered by Russia with Syrian government forces.

In Damascus, an official in the Syrian foreign ministry condemned the operation at Jarablus as a "blatant violation of its [Syria's] sovereignty".

President Erdogan said he would press Vice-President Biden for the extradition of US-based cleric Fethullah Gulen, whom he blames for the coup attempt.

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Image captionMr Biden (right) met Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim in Ankara

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Image captionMr Biden was given a tour of damage to the Turkish parliament during the coup

• Turkish arrest warrant for Gulen

Turkish media round on Biden
Several pro-government papers accuse Washington of dragging its heels after Turkey's call for the extradition of US-based Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen. "Gulen's protector" says a headline in Aksam, which notes his "late" visit in the wake of last month's coup attempt.

Gunes newspaper says pointedly that "the Turkish government and 79 million Turks are waiting for concrete steps" from him, adding that "Biden will be... asked to behave like an ally".

The pro-government Star agrees that Mr Biden will have to explain US support for the "Fetullah Gulen Terrorist Organisation" (FETO). Karar says the visit will open a new chapter in bilateral ties but says Washington must show its support for Turkey.

Pro-government daily Milliyet publishes a column by Mr Biden himself where he praises Turks for thwarting the coup attempt. He also says that claims that Gulen's extradition is simply a political matter are "damaging" for bilateral ties.

Pinar Sevinclidir, BBC Monitoring's Turkish media analyst

 

[usernameless]

Thats nice and sweet in theory

But such venture, use to turn into long lasting ones where everything is possible

Erdogan used to embrace roll of hyena in torning corpse of Syria apart. But now rolls had changed, and no longer Assad is jeopardy , but the turkish security, and the stakes are high

Have a feeling you must be ending which much more serious consequences for inciting syrian turmoil and misery. Erdogan is doomed either way. Real game has just began. Enjoy

Yes, watch and learn what it means to be able to do diplomacy with other 'enemy' countries too (Russia, Iran and i'm sure indirectly Assad too), stand up for your own interests and don't let others decide your fate. Serbia should take notes for whenever it manages to become a medium power.

 

[zestokryl]

Serbia should take notes for whenever it manages to become a medium power.

Serbia is not to be duscusses in similar context

Serbia is small country, with no true friend, having no assets to do bargains with. Surounded mostly by enemies

As long US supremacy is lasting Serbia is going to be pariah country with disgusting, servile goverment and under silent occupation

Turkey is another strory due to the geo position, economic power, size of te market and other factor

 

[T-123456]

with no true friend

What about Russia?

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Serbia is not to be duscusses in similar context

Serbia is small country, with no true friend, having no assets to do bargains with. Surounded mostly by enemies

As long US supremacy is lasting Serbia is going to be pariah country with disgusting, servile goverment and under silent occupation

Turkey is another strory due to the geo position, economic power, size of te market and other factor

I've noticed that many Serbians in the EU have a kind of "toxic nationalism". Turks in Europe for example are patriotic at the same time they invest a lot of their money in Turkey and never truly assimilate, instead they integrate while upholding their national culture and values. Serbians on the other hand, easily assimilate, dont really invest in Serbia but they claim they are very nationalistic? Some factors i've considered are the following: drug, alcohol usage among Serbian youth in Europe. No real organization that's upholding the Serbian communities with common goal etc.

 

[zestokryl]

What about Russia?

Russia is far way. Serbia and Russia dont have an connection even through sea , as Bulgaria and Russia have

But Bulgaria is american slut, not just poor marionette as Serbia under current elites

But, Putin and his gang dont care much about Serbia or any other hystorical allie. All the Putin oligarchy cares is their money ripped of from the russian people and their transfer to off shore zone. And subsequent property an luxury purchases in western countries. Their only ideal is money on their bank accounts. There are no history in their minds