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Bro, this is not about being open-minded and learning. I have listened countless lectures by Talha Uğurluel and İlber Ortaylı, i know my stuff.Here is proof you are wrong. But lets not discuss this anymore, I thought you were open minded and interested in learning.
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From the book
İslam Tarihi ve Medeniyeti - 11: Anadolu Beylikleri
by :
Prof. Dr. Ayşe Kayapınar,
Prof. Dr. Feridun M. Emecen,
Prof. Dr. İlyas Gökhan,
Prof. Dr. Kemal Göde,
Prof. Dr. Levent Kayapınar,
Prof. Dr. Mehmet Ersan,
Prof. Dr. Mehmet Şeker,
Prof. Dr. Salim Koca,
Prof. Dr. Tuncer Baykara,
Prof. Dr. Yusuf Ayönü,
Prof. Dr. Zerrin Günal,
Doç. Dr. Muharrem Kesik,
Doç. Dr. Yahya Başkan,
Dr. Öğr. üyesi Fatma Akkuş Yiğit,
Dr. Öğr. üyesi Mustafa Akkuş,
Dr. Öğr. üyesi Sait Kofoğlu,
Arş. Gör. Hüseyin Çalış,
Öğr. Gör. Tunay Karakök,
Uzm. Betül Teoman, Gültekin Teoman
Don’t lie you scumbag India and Balkan were already rich and civilized and there was nothing golden about it except the massacres and genocide of 80 million Hindu and the kidnapping and enslaving the Christians in the Balkan and Eastern Europe. The Balkan and Indians still hate Islam long before Wahhabism because of your savagery
Bro, this is not about being open-minded and learning. I have listened countless lectures by Talha Uğurluel and İlber Ortaylı, i know my stuff.
Stunning interpretation. Whatever you praise Syrian baathists for can be said of Turkey. Whatever crimes you have accused Turkey of can easily be said of Syria and Iran.
Turkey has always been threatened by PKK activities and rightly strikes at them. Be aware regarding Israel that although Turkey had cordial relations with Israel for a time, it was their clandestine support of PKK that broke the back of this relationship. Naturally, Turkey retaliated politically. This is well known to be the true history of this region. Turkey and Israel could and should have resolved that issue but it seems to have spiralled out of control now. Regardless of that, Assad and his Iranian buddies are behaving like maniacs making enemies of everyone, taking the Kurds along for a ride in the meantime. Good luck to them in such a ridiculous endeavour.
Turkey has remained reasonably pragmatic. The mistake erdogan has made is stretching his forces throughout the Mediterranean without repairing relationships where possible with some nations.
No party is completely innocent in this great game. However there is no doubt that the Iranians have destabilised the whole middle east by playing "let's bring on the dajjal ourselves" and leading its people on this merry path of faked Armageddon. Turkey is not involved in this "religious" narrative beyond what it regards as a reasonable counterweight to Israeli religious extremist plans in Jerusalem, which as stated is partly a direct response to Israeli support of PKK. Iran's mullahs have taken religious fanaticism to a whole new level, with every one of their proxies in the region indulging in Armageddon based rhetoric. This is in contrast to Turkey's mainly nationalistic interests.
Some of us Muslims have the sense and intelligence to look at things in the light of seeking the truth.
Thankfully Turks came to India
Hindu culture was steeped in ignorance, Jahilat and superstitions
It was one of the conduits that allowed millions to become Muslims and dump hinduism
If your enemy hates you then hate them back and get prepared, don't get your panties in a twist
Let's get something clear, Pakistani were first in line on Muslim issues
Our people cared more about Muslims across the world then our own people even
We believe in Ummah and brotherhood
However did we get a reciprocal response?? Even today on issues such as Kashmir??
The answer is no!
We simply became tired and understood we need to look after our interests first because no one else will
As soon as the rest of the Muslim world is ready to act on Muslim brotherhood, we are ready
how easy that was !!MAnpads are in action !
patriotic Iranian Azeris will be the first ones to slaughter any poor Turkish soldier/soul who was sent to his death to Iran...
last time Turkish troops stepped foot on Iranian azeri "Turkish" territory... the poor Turkish soldiers were running to Iranian soldiers to save them from their fellow '"turks" mass slaughtering them.
a more realistic scenario would be turkey losing its Kurdish eastern half if it miscalculates.... though I don't think Turkish leaders/military planners are as dumb as some on this forum
Keep Imran N. Hussain takfiri BS out of this thread. This idiot made takfir on the whole nations of Turkey and Pakistan, how possibly can you defend him?
It is sad because I knew him personally, he was a student of Dr. Israr Ahmad, my teacher, but then he went rogue and became a Russian Orthodox puppet, and recently Hindu puppet.
Ameen, yet Turkey has always stood by us no matter what. They are the only Muslim nations which have backbone and principles. All others like KSA, UAE, Iran,etc. will backstab you in a second for momentary gain.
What did Hussaini say? I don’t listen to him cause he’s way out their at times with conspiracy theories.
He said the Orthodox defenders of Constantinople were the true Mujahideen and believers and the Turks were Kuffar and traitors. He said the same about the Muslim empires like Mughals which conquered India.
Hence he declares both Turkey and Pakistan illegitimate states. He relishes the day when True believers, he means Russians and Orthodox, will take back Constantinople.
He said the only way to appease Orthodox/Hindus and right wrongs of the past was to give land back to them and apologize. He got a standing ovation in Belgrade, Serbia for this statement. I am sure in Russia too.
He said Modi would stop his crimes against Muslims if Pakistanis simply apologised to him, because Hindus are basically rightfully angry at us.
He is a total agent now.
He said the Orthodox defenders of Constantinople were the true Mujahideen and believers and the Turks were Kuffar and traitors. He said the same about the Muslim empires like Mughals which conquered India.
Hence he declares both Turkey and Pakistan illegitimate states. He relishes the day when True believers, he means Russians and Orthodox, will take back Constantinople.
He said the only way to appease Orthodox/Hindus and right wrongs of the past was to give land back to them and apologize. He got a standing ovation in Belgrade, Serbia for this statement. I am sure in Russia too.
He said Modi would stop his crimes against Muslims if Pakistanis simply apologised to him, because Hindus are basically rightfully angry at us.
He is a total agent now.