Turkish Naval Programs

[T-123456]

Bro, You know the numbers can be renewed/updated When the production commenced so I suppose It will be 6 instead of 8. I mean 4+2 is the best option for me...

Yeah,i could live with 6(at least).

 

[Exocet]

Yeah,i could live with 6(at least).

Inshallah it will be 8.

 

[manowar]

Inshallah it will be 8.

Probably it will be 4 maximum. Because these kind of ships are too expensive and officially said it will be 4 so far now.

 

[Exocet]

Probably it will be 4 maximum. Because these kind of ships are too expensive and officially said it will be 4 so far now.

Again and again and again. It won't be enough.

 

[cabatli_53]

Brothers, The numbers can be updated in following processes. LHD was signed to construct 1 but TNF think to consider one more after first one inducted. Turkish type assault boats were talked as 8 but It is updated as;

Assault Boat metalic hull: 4+6
Fast Patrol Boat composite hull: 8

 

[fox 2]

4 TF-2000 is enough for us.
I mean 4 to 8 ship will not dramatically change the situation like 0 to 4.
TF-2000 will change the game for us, for the region.

Yeah we can get 8 or maybe 10 ship but we will increase our army almost every point by than.
So if you want 8 TF-2000, you better to hit 1 trillion dollar GDP immediately.

 

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Again and again and again. It won't be enough.

Why?

 

[Bismarck]

Brothers, The numbers can be updated in following processes. LHD was signed to construct 1 but TNF think to consider one more after first one inducted. Turkish type assault boats were talked as 8 but It is updated as;

Assault Boat metalic hull: 4+6
Fast Patrol Boat composite hull: 8

Do you have Information which one is chosen?

 

[-SINAN-]

Why?

He is right, i too think, 4 is too low.....in fact, i want 2000 T-2000. Why ? Because it sounds more phonetic.

 

[Successwill]

He is right, i too think, 4 is too low.....in fact, i want 2000 T-2000. Why ? Because it sounds more phonetic.

A nice point of view

Actually i think the number may change over time as the project gets mature, it may also evolve to something better just like the Milgem Project's 4 ships turned out to be i class frigates.

 

[Babur Han]

4 TF-2000 is enough for us.
I mean 4 to 8 ship will not dramatically change the situation like 0 to 4.
TF-2000 will change the game for us, for the region.

Yeah we can get 8 or maybe 10 ship but we will increase our army almost every point by than.
So if you want 8 TF-2000, you better to hit 1 trillion dollar GDP immediately.

If TNF will only get 4 TF-2000 they should equipp I Class with LACM Capabillity, beside TF-2000.

 

[Neptune]

If TNF will only get 4 TF-2000 they should equipp I Class with LACM Capabillity, beside TF-2000.

They have different gaps to fill. I class is intended to be a multi purpose frigate with limited aerial AA/AD capabilities.


Warships are far too complex to make conclusions such as "One TF-2000 makes two Î-class. Bulk system interoperability doesn't mean putting a LACM canister on the deck makes it okay. You also have to make many changes on fire control, radar subsystems and mainly at CIC (Combat Information Centre-Savaş Harekât Merkezi). This will basically make them both the same classes when DZKK requirements are concerned in the contest of anti surface warfare. This equality between one strategic and one tactical platform is a dead end. They are being build and equipped based on the requirements and the gaps in naval warfare that DZKK intends to fill.

For example, many frigates/destroyers are either equipped Phalanx, Goalkeeper or AK-630 close in weapon systems for self-defense. They have automated computers on a algorithm. But I can say that Exocet, Harpoon, Maverick, Penguin, HARM, Termit (Russian ASM) have totally different flight profiles that at the end of the day you have to tolerate one, that's a truth. This is just the self defense aspect of a naval vessel. Imagine the challenges and complexity on other areas as AAW, ASW, ASuW..etc you name it.

So discussing ship armaments and quantities like chess is as sensible as thinking of mounting an UMTAS or a mortar on Altay MBT.

 

[fox 2]

Guys, what' s your expectations about ground attacks with Atmaca ?
I' m sure Atmaca will be better cruise missile than Harpoon.
You ?

 

[Babur Han]

They have different gaps to fill. I class is intended to be a multi purpose frigate with limited aerial AA/AD capabilities.


Warships are far too complex to make conclusions such as "One TF-2000 makes two Î-class. Bulk system interoperability doesn't mean putting a LACM canister on the deck makes it okay. You also have to make many changes on fire control, radar subsystems and mainly at CIC (Combat Information Centre-Savaş Harekât Merkezi). This will basically make them both the same classes when DZKK requirements are concerned in the contest of anti surface warfare. This equality between one strategic and one tactical platform is a dead end. They are being build and equipped based on the requirements and the gaps in naval warfare that DZKK intends to fill.

For example, many frigates/destroyers are either equipped Phalanx, Goalkeeper or AK-630 close in weapon systems for self-defense. They have automated computers on a algorithm. But I can say that Exocet, Harpoon, Maverick, Penguin, HARM, Termit (Russian ASM) have totally different flight profiles that at the end of the day you have to tolerate one, that's a truth. This is just the self defense aspect of a naval vessel. Imagine the challenges and complexity on other areas as AAW, ASW, ASuW..etc you name it.

So discussing ship armaments and quantities like chess is as sensible as thinking of mounting an UMTAS or a mortar on Altay MBT.

This mean for me the TNF have with it's TF-2000 if every Ship are equippt with 16 Gezgin LACM X 4 = 64 Gezgin for Surface Fleet. I doubt U-214 will get LACM, then we have to wait for MILDEN with VLS Canister to add more Power for TNF for anti Surface Warfare. In Combination with Land Based Gezgin and SOM launched from tactical Fighter, we have credible Detterence for Russia or Israel. But when it goes about Power Projection geoploitic Targets in the whole Maghreb Region or indian Subcontinent it is to less !

 

[Successwill]

Guys, what' s your expectations about ground attacks with Atmaca ?
I' m sure Atmaca will be better cruise missile than Harpoon.
You ?

Atmaca is the one that was said to had been sent to South Africa for test firing?