Turkish Naval Programs

[ÇölKaplanı]

in fire power by 2030s Turkish Navy will be stronger than Italian Navy

Actually their navy is massively underrated. I also like the Spanish Navy too.

 

[UkroTurk]

What do you mean with VLS on milgems?
I don't think you offer empty vertical launchers.
If you offered importing ESSM which has high altitude ang lon range, it would be expensive variant.
Import of weapons is against current defence strategy which i totally support.

We should wait until Roketsan has refined Hisar SAM projects. I believe %100 they are thinking on VLS of milgems.


Guys you underestimate RAM which has 21 high-end missiles. If i had to choice, i would prefer 21 ram missiles rather than 8 Umkhonto. Umkhonto is more likely vertical RAM.

However we seem to have forgotten about CIWS -milgem combination.

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

What do you mean with VLS on milgems?
I don't think you offer empty vertical launchers.
If you offered importing ESSM which has high altitude ang lon range, it would be expensive variant.
Import of weapons is against current defence strategy which i totally support.

We should wait until Roketsan has refined Hisar SAM projects. I believe %100 they are thinking on VLS of milgems.


Guys you underestimate RAM which has 21 high-end missiles. If i had to choice, i would prefer 21 ram missiles rather than 8 Umkhonto. Umkhonto is more likely vertical RAM.

However we seem to have forgotten about CIWS -milgem combination.

I think everybody would be happy If I say that our Adas are not enough for our current needs.

 

[SİLAHDAR]

What do you mean with VLS on milgems?
I don't think you offer empty vertical launchers.
If you offered importing ESSM which has high altitude ang lon range, it would be expensive variant.
Import of weapons is against current defence strategy which i totally support.

We should wait until Roketsan has refined Hisar SAM projects. I believe %100 they are thinking on VLS of milgems.


Guys you underestimate RAM which has 21 high-end missiles. If i had to choice, i would prefer 21 ram missiles rather than 8 Umkhonto. Umkhonto is more likely vertical RAM.

However we seem to have forgotten about CIWS -milgem combination.

Vls's have quadpack capability , And can carry 16x Hisar-a and 16x Essm or G-40 or Hisar-O.

 

[Khagan1923]

Current Adas don't have room for any VLS, not even for Mk-48. Maybe if we see a second order for more Adas we will see modifications made but then you get the I-Class. So I don't see the Navy ever putting VLS on Ada. If you do you need to lengthen the hull for room that way you create a I-Class that is classified as a Frigate, so how are you gonna classify the second batch of Ada as a Corvette?

Rather replace Burak with 4 more I-Class instead of more Adas.

Or you can replace Burak with FAC. Any modern FAC is better equiped than Burak and demands less manpower to be operated.

 

[MMM-E]

Actually their navy is massively underrated. I also like the Spanish Navy too.

I dont like European Warships because of poor weapon capacity

for example Egypt bought FREMM class Frigate from France .. 16 cells VLS for 16 ASTER-15 SAMs

on the other hand Turkish Navy ISTIF class Frigates armed with 16 cells VLS for 64 ESSM SAMs
even 4 GABYA Frigates armed with 36 SM-1MR + 32 ESSM SAMs
and 4 MEKO-200 trackII Frigates armed with 32/64 ESSM SAMs

also British TYPE-45 class Destroyer , French/Italian FREMM and HORIZON armed with 8 anti ship missiles
but Turkish ISTIF and TF-2000 will be armed with 16 anti ship missiles

btw Italian,Spanish and German Navies dont have long range Cruise Missile

Turkish Navy will be 3rd Navy in Europe that will use long range cruise missile

French Navy : MdcN
Royal Navy : TOMAHAWK
Turkish Navy : GEZGIN


I would like to see 32 F35B Fighter Jets on 2 Ambhibious Assault Ships escorting with TF2000 class Destroyers and Type214TN class AIP Submarines

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

I dont like European Warships because of poor weapon capacity

for example Egypt bought FREMM class Frigate from France .. 16 cells VLS for 16 ASTER-15 SAMs

What about our ships and geography? Their ships are okay regarding their geography and threats but ours are not. They build and sale many frigates abroad every year but we can only build the Ada class corvettes in 20 years.

I dont like European Warships because of poor weapon capacity

for example Egypt bought FREMM class Frigate from France .. 16 cells VLS for 16 ASTER-15 SAMs

on the other hand Turkish Navy ISTIF class Frigates armed with 16 cells VLS for 64 ESSM SAMs
even 4 GABYA Frigates armed with 36 SM-1MR + 32 ESSM SAMs
and 4 MEKO-200 trackII Frigates armed with 32/64 ESSM SAMs

also British TYPE-45 class Destroyer , French/Italian FREMM and HORIZON armed with 8 anti ship missiles
but Turkish ISTIF and TF-2000 will be armed with 16 anti ship missiles

btw Italian,Spanish and German Navies dont have long range Cruise Missile

Turkish Navy will be 3rd Navy in Europe that will use long range cruise missile

French Navy : MdcN
Royal Navy : TOMAHAWK
Turkish Navy : GEZGIN


I would like to see 32 F35B Fighter Jets on 2 Ambhibious Assault Ships escorting with TF2000 class Destroyers and Type214TN class AIP Submarines

You like to live in a fantasy world where everything goes perfect. Do you seriously think we'll get F-35Bs?

 

[UkroTurk]

Vls's have quadpack capability , And can carry 16x Hisar-a and 16x Essm or G-40 or Hisar-O.

ESSM is imported, Hisar-A isnt more capable than RAM , Hisar-O : doesnt exist.
You are suffering yourselves for Missiles which havent been produced. Once you have finished Hisar-O , We will have talk.

Ada - class and YTKBs need to have CIWS like Phalanx and Gökdeniz. Because CIWS can stop missiles with high speeds.

 

[MMM-E]

What about our ships and geography? Their ships are okay regarding their geography and threats but ours are not. They build and sale many frigates abroad every year but we can only build the Ada class corvettes in 20 years.

Design and production are not problem for Turkish Naval Industry
Turkiye will be 3rd NATO member that will have almost 100% indigenous ( except engine ) Destroyer after the US and France


I can wait for 5 years and prefer TF-2000 with indigenous Systems and weapons instead of Spanish ALVARO DE BAZAN


Spanish ALVARO DE BAZAN

-- American AEGIS Combat management System
-- American AN/SPY1D Radar
-- American DE1160 Sonar
-- American NIXIE Torpedo countermeasures
-- American MK-41 VLS
-- American ESSM and SM-2 SAMs
-- American HARPOON anti ship missille
-- American MK-46 Torpedo



Turkish TF-2000

-- Turkish GENESIS ADVENT Combat management System
-- Turkish CAFRAD Radar
-- Turkish LFAS Sonar
-- Turkish HIZIR Torpedo countermeasures
-- Turkish MDAS VLS
-- Turkish HISAR and SIPER SAMs
-- Turkish GEZGIN Cruise Missile
-- Turkish ATMACA anti ship Missile
-- Turkish ORKA Torpedo

You like to live in a fantasy world where everything goes perfect. Do you seriously think we'll get F-35Bs?

10% YES
90% NO

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

ESSM is imported, Hisar-A isnt capable than RAM , Hisar-O : doesnt exist.
You are suffering yourselves for Missiles which havent been produces. Once you have finished Hisar-O , We will have talk.

Ada - class and YTKBs need to have CIWS like Phalanx and Gökdeniz. Because CIWS can stop missiles with high speeds.

We have the G-40 and Hisar-O+ coming up and the YTKBs already have a CIWS-like system.

Desing and production are not problem for Turkish Naval Industry
Turkiye will be 3rd NATO member that will have almost 100% indigenous ( except engine ) Destroyer after the US and France


I can wait for 5 years and prefer TF-2000 with indigenous Systems and weapons instead of Spanish ALVARO DE BAZAN


Spanish ALVARO DE BAZAN

-- American AEGIS Combat management System
-- American AN/SPY1D Radar
-- American DE1160 Sonar
-- American NIXIE Torpedo countermeasures
-- American MK-41 VLS
-- American ESSM and SM-2 SAMs
-- American HARPOON anti ship missille
-- American MK-46 Torpedo



Turkish TF-2000

-- Turkish GENESIS ADVENT Combat management System
-- Turkish CAFRAD Radar
-- Turkish LFAS Sonar
-- Turkish HIZIR Torpedo countermeasures
-- Turkish MDAS VLS
-- Turkish HISAR and SIPER SAMs
-- Turkish GEZGIN Cruise Missile
-- Turkish ATMACA anti ship Missile
-- Turkish ORKA Torpedo

10% YES
90% NO

Dude, no one's comparing the Tf-2000s with Alvaro de Bazan, that's why you can't convince anyone you argue at other forums, at least change your attitude.

 

[Khagan1923]

We have the G-40 and Hisar-O+ coming up and the YTKBs already have a CIWS-like system.

40mm on YTKB acts as the CIWS already, unnecessary to place another CIWS on it.

https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/...pact?f=/sea/weapon-systems/guns-and-launchers

The Twin 40L70 Compact provides effectiveness and reliability especially under the most challenging operations, such as:

• anti-missile defence (subsonic sea-skimmers);
• anti-aircraft defence;
• ship-to-ship engagements.

 

[UkroTurk]

We have the G-40 and Hisar-O+ coming up and the YTKBs already have a CIWS-like system.

Ciws-Like system!

40mm dardo with Thermal camera

Creators of Phalanx, GoalKeeper,Gökdeniz, korkut, milenium,Kashtan are fool because they connected autocannons with fire-control and Air surveillance radar. Radars are waste of money. Thermal imaging is enough to engage on missiles and aircrafts.))
İ cant understand how a modern patrol vessel can be without Air surveillance radar.
Moreover your country produces smart mobile surveillance and fire control radar

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[ÇölKaplanı]

Ciws-Like system!

40mm dardo with Thermal camera

Creators of Phalanx, GoalKeeper,Gökdeniz, korkut, milenium,Kashtan are fool because they connected autocannons with fire-control and Air surveillance radar. Radars are waste of money. Thermal imaging is enough to engage on missiles and aircrafts.))
İ cant understand how a modern patrol vessel can be without Air surveillance radar.
Moreover your country produces smart mobile surveillance and fire control radar .

It's just a patrol ship, relax. You can spend that valuable money on better stuffs...

 

[MMM-E]

Dude, no one's comparing the Tf-2000s with Alvaro de Bazan, that's why you can't convince anyone you argue at other forums, at least change your attitude.

Ben sadece bir örnek verdim. karşılaştırmadım

You compare Turkish Naval Industry with Europe and You said that we built only ADA in 20 years

Turkiye easly would build the TF-2000 in 2010s with American Systems and Weapons as like Spain ,even Australia,S.Korea,Japan

but we are waiting for indigenous Radar , Sensors and Weapons ..and Turkiye has started developing engines for naval projects to export without any export restriction

 

[UkroTurk]

It's just a patrol ship, relax. You can spend that valuable money on better stuffs...

Thats why your ada-class corvettes have a radar which is produced for frigates. They are just corvettes , Why Turkish Navy wasted money putting smart-s radars on corvettes? Remember Ada-class ships are corvettes not frigates!
İ know your answer.
YTKB is also not ordinary little patrol ship!
In war scenario they would be first targets of antiship missiles.

Patrol vessels with Air surveillance radars enforce enemies' Air forces to fly higher or changing approaches. Thus Highaltitude long range SAM systems hunt them. İt is not just the matter of monitoring.