Turkish Land Vehicle Programs

[madmusti]

But the Army still has no such requirement, even there was some pic about a m108 in Turkish Army.

I think they had tested such systems in the Past but probably it wasn´t such effective enough or other options was cost-effective then to effort systems like these.

There are m113/acv´s Vehicles with Mortar Variant of Course, those are Tracked and fast, but highly developed systems like AMOS or something like that is not present. Still firstly we must ask the question does Turkish Army need such Systems for defending a Region like Anatolia ?

 

[UkroTurk]

USSR produced NONA, Gvozdika for the Iran, Turkey, Kafkas!!!!! I think this systems doesnt cost high.

 

[madmusti]

T-155 Fırtına is a superior System to them ! There is no Need if you had something that is way better.

 

[LegionnairE]

Lets imagine that : Turkish Chinooks with Turkish Tracked or wheealed 105mm Self Propelling Gun like

I imagine that and it's a sh*tty idea
sorry

we don't have any heavy lift helicopters at the moment.. and when we do have them they'll have more important things to do than carrying inefficient 105mm arty around that could be carried by an UH60

We're making a 105mm towed howizer for airborne use and those will be transportable by blackhawks which is a much, much more efficient way of doing things

if you really want something cool, check out M777
it's currently the best airborne artillery in the world
I can't stress enough how advanced it is, it's mostly made of titanium

M777 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We are using aluminium in this to make it lighter:

check out the legs they are completely Al

 

[madmusti]

@LegionnairE

There are enough other Systems in the Inventory which can fullfill these requirements.

Example:

Wheeled System which is fast enough on Roads and there other Systems like these that i don´t need to call.

We see even in how Russia uses those Military Rocket Artillery.

 

[UkroTurk]

I cant understand your logic??

I also telling samething or Im not?
NANO also wheeled, South Korean EVO also wheeled, South African Denel 105mm on the LAV also wheeled.
Tracked systems are bad for you?? Firtina tracked but for you superior systems.??

Wheeled systems faster? Do you need speed with 155mm SPG which weights 50ton??
Would you prerfer this vehicles?
FV433,Gvozdika, LAV with 105mm loaded!!! weight 17ton.
Samsung EVO 105 6-7 ton.
Firtina 155mm 50 ton!!! and for more ammo you need plus 50 ton.
105mm howitzer shell max 20kg, 155mm shell 40 kg!

Why 155mm howitzer have to be mechanized? But why 105mm howitzer which you always use against terrorism dont have to mechanized?

Comparing 105mm howitzer against 155mm howitzer holly crap.
Its look liike comparing Su-25 against su34.

Anyway when USSR projected and produced Gvozdika, They had already big howitzers larger than Gvozdika. Why they weren't enough for USSR?

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Why South Korea which has K9 howitzer( Father of Firtina155) made Samsung 105 SPG? K9 is not enough for them?

 

[LegionnairE]

@UkroTurk are you talking to me? if so I'd like to state that

1)above mentioned systems are inferior to Fırtına as individual artillery pieces

2)they are heavy enough to defeat the purpose of an "airborne" artillery piece

you'll say that they can be deployed by CH47s... I highly doubt that but even if that's true that doesn't matter

so Fırtına is C17 deployable does it matter? no because we don't have any C17s
it matters not

and even if we had Chinooks, a system like M777 would be far superior to anything you've shown above


as to your question "why ROK army is buying EVO 105s?" I think it's just because they are cheaper

since north korea has one of the world's biggest artillery arsenal, maybe ROK is planning to compete in numbers

 

[UkroTurk]

155mm vs 105mm howitzer

Greater Lethality Against Personnel and Light Skinned Vehicles
Unparalleled performance against “soft” targets!

105mm HE shells CEP 227% Better Than M549 at 30 km

Better CEP equals fewer rounds expended to attack target Better lethality equals fewer rounds needed to destroy, neutralize or suppress target Logistical efficiency is enhanced requiring < 1/2 the tonnage / volume of ammunition
https://defence.pk/attachments/04_v...5/?temp_hash=771d9559217edaaf0e56517381bdf569

I think Our friends from India knows this vehicle very well.
Garuda 105mm ultra light gun.

105mm, 155mm or Something In-between? - Think Defence

 

[LegionnairE]

whoa man.. those 203mm M110s must really suck -_-

first of all, you don't always fire fragmentation shells... comparing two fragmentation shells gives a false image.

What if we needed to use an HE shell? 155mm would be much more effective at all situations. And CEP depends on many things but it would matter less because with 155mm blast radius would be larger.

 

[UkroTurk]

https://defence.pk/attachments/04_vickory_105mm_indirect_fire-pdf.265475/
and
105mm, 155mm or Something In-between? - Think Defence


Please read.

Notice the speed, mobility, fire range.

 

[LegionnairE]

https://defence.pk/attachments/04_vickory_105mm_indirect_fire-pdf.265475/
and
105mm, 155mm or Something In-between? - Think Defence


Please read.

I have... and I've got a headache... I need to sleep

you can't really give up on 155mm.. you lose too much kinetic energy

all of these the benefits of 105mm stated above... are very situational
I mean is it okay to lose some range? sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't
is 105mm enough? depends on the target.. battlefield fortifications? armor? buildings? dunno

no caliber will ever be perfect for everything
but they had to standardize something so they standardized 155mm
even russians are mainly building 155mm artillery these days

 

[Total Destruction]

AV Turkey - News Digest, September 2015 PDF

AV Turkey - News Digest, September 2015 PDF - Military Briefs Magazine

 

[LegionnairE]

@UkroTurk now that I think about it
developing something like evo205 could be useful. even if we dont produce it now,it could be easy and fast to produce during a mobilization.

just stick it on a truck and yourr done

 

[UkroTurk]

@UkroTurk now that I think about it
developing something like evo205 could be useful. even if we dont produce it now,it could be easy and fast to produce during a mobilization.

just stick it on a truck and yourr done

You mean EVO 105mm?? or 205?????))))))))))
Mechanized artillery more usefull 10 times faster, 3 times accuracy than land based and smart. But if Armoured 8x8 and 6x6 armoured track costs nearly, 8x8 IFV turreted SPG like LAV -DENEL 105mm also optimal variant.
105mm great caliber for howitzer.

Look Chinese 122mmSPG
Whats your opinion? Chinese has already sticked light howitzer on type70IFV
They have 200 this vehicles.

Edit:
Can we put on the M113 our 105mm howitzers? Like a M113 with mortar??

Im sory Im late, Libians have done!

Another M113 with 105mm howitzer.

 

[LegionnairE]

You mean EVO 105mm?? or 205?????))))))))))
Mechanized artillery more usefull 10 times faster, 3 times accuracy than land based and smart. But if Armoured 8x8 and 6x6 armoured track costs nearly, 8x8 IFV turreted SPG like LAV -DENEL 105mm also optimal variant.
105mm great caliber for howitzer.

Look Chinese 122mmSPG
Whats your opinion? Chinese has already sticked light howitzer on type70IFV
They have 200 this vehicles.

Edit:
Can we put on the M113 our 105mm howitzers? Like a M113 with mortar??

Im sory Im late, Libians have done!

Another M113 with 105mm howitzer.

sorry i was rather occupied at that moment
it was a typo

to be honest it doesnt really matter much
an m113 doesnt really have an outstanding armor...

but shıt why not