Turkish Geopolitics/ Foreign Affairs

[KingMamba]

You think in such a case we wouldnt take Pakistan(our true ally) with us?
Dont focus to much on the ''Turkic'' word,you are closer then most of them.

Unfortunately most of the Central Asians turks are under the grip of ex Commie leadership.

 

[asena_great]

Unfortunately most of the Central Asians turks are under the grip of ex Commie leadership.

expect islam karimov the rest are with turkey

 

[KingMamba]

expect islam karimov the rest are with turkey

Good to hear, Karimov is with the Russians? What about the Kazakhs?

 

[T-123456]

Good to hear, Karimov is with the Russians? What about the Kazakhs?

They are all with Russia.

expect islam karimov the rest are with turkey

None of them are with Turkiye,all under Russian controll.

 

[KemalPasa]

The only thing we and the arabian world have in common is the religion, nothing else. We're not europeans and we're not middle easteners. When this shame of a government goes away, I hope we'll cut all the ties except the trades. We don't need them as friends and they don't need us. Trades are more than enough of a relationship with the middle east. The more you get deep, the more enemies you make. There is no way in hell to make everybody happy. Same goes with Europe, the both sides just stay the **** away from my country and everybody will be happy.

 

[Neptune]

ECO was formed with the same objective in mind. We need to pacify Iran and foster market integration between the 10 members. Turkey can lead ECO with ample robustness. Pakistan will benefit too as we need to divorce South Asia and leave it to India. A successful ECO block will give us powerful say with other emerging structures like SCO as well. Turkey will not be welcomed in EU or by our Arab brothers. We however know that cooperating with Turkey for restructuring in C.Asia will ratify regional power status for member states, especially Turkey, Pakistan and Iran.

An econimcal alliance would benefit Turkey and Pakistan. Including Iran would not be allowed due to sanctions. A bloc means billion dollar investments in Turkic states by Turkey. But a tri trade union between Turkey, Pakistan and Iran would be very appreciated. Arabic countries except for Bahrain are not welcomed.

@Sinan @xenon54 - Do you think he'd be still as Pro-Pakistan if I told Mrs.Neptune about the......

EDIT: Ahhhh sh*t I screwed this joke over the last time too.....not again.....not again !

Hahaha...Mrs. Neptune

 

[Kompromat]

When you say leave South Asia for good, do you mean it in terms of trade?

In terms of having to engage in Geopolitics of those countries i.e Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, India etc. Trade is welcomed but transit shall be at our terms. If we make ECO work properly with Turkey and Iran, we can keep our membership in SAARC nominal.

 

[atatwolf]

Burak Bekdil is a Greek or Armenian. I can't remember. His collumns are also not regarded as objective. He has an insentive to talk bull because he is getting paid to do that.

If he gave two sides of the story and let the reader decide I wouldn't have a problem. But he states his own messed up vision and then frames it like it is the ultimate truth. These writers are no good collumist.

His writing style reminds me of N(j)ew York times which I also don't read.

 

[Solomon2]

Here is the full article.

Turkish Journalist Outspokenly Defends Israel | United with Israel

He bashes Turkey in every opportunity and praises Israel.

@Solomon2 and you post this guy's another BS article.

There seems to be a lot of truth and good sense in the article so B.B. appears to be a worthy journalist. Why do you trash him? Simply because you don't like what he writes?

 

[rmi5]

Lets examine this article.

Turkey: No Longer a "Rock Star" on Arab Street
by Burak Bekdil
October 27, 2014 at 4:00 am

Turkey: No Longer a "Rock Star" on Arab Street

Erdogan's Turkey is no longer an attraction for the Muslim street. Instead, it is, overtly or covertly, on hostile terms with Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Iran -- all at the same time.
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This is what author claims: Not being popular in Muslim Streets.
What he will do is instead considering relations with Governments, not muslim folks. First fallacy.
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Early in 2010, James Jeffrey, then U.S. ambassador to Turkey, sent a cable to Washington, DC in which he described Turkey as a country "[w]ith Rolls Royce ambitions but Rover resources". Time has proven him right.

What it has to do with the subject of article? zero connection. (Just trying to demonize and badmouth Turkey in the mean while) Second fallacy.

Erdogan's "rock star" popularity on the Arab Street was based on a single dimension: his constant Israel-bashing and deep hatred of the Jewish state. "

Where is proof?
counter arguments are abundant though. Having historical ties with Arabs? being a successful role model for middle easterners?

When there are matters of conflict between the Turks and Arabs all those love affairs will disappear," a Lebanese friend said at that time.

Who? A Lebanese taxi driver? or their president?
Ambiguity >> another fallacy

All the same, Erdogan thought that the rock star treatment would earn him his lifelong dream of reviving the Ottoman Empire with the Sunnis of the former Ottoman lands worshipping a new Turkish caliph. Proof? Turkey was a rising star.

LOLOLOLOL
Just shows the lack of knowledge about basic logics.
fallacy number n+1

In 2008, it had won 151 votes out of 193 members of the United Nations to win easily a coveted non-permanent seat at the UN Security Council [UNSC]. With that seat, Turkey would further reinforce its influence in the region and the world.

After Turkey won the Security Council seat, then Foreign Minister (now Deputy Prime Minister) Ali Babacan spoke like a Rolls Royce: "This is the product of our efforts during the last five years. The election is an indication that Turkey's global perception, visibility and influence are on the rise. It shows how positively Turkey is perceived by the international community."

Fine. When a country wins a UNSC seat for the first time after 47 years, it is normal that politicians claim credit. But by simple logic, if it had lost the contest in 2008, the defeat should have meant that "Turkey's global perception, visibility and influence were on decline;" how negatively Turkey was being perceived by the international community. Right? Right. Not in the Turkish psyche.

On Oct. 16, Turkey once again bid for the same seat it had won six years earlier. A day before the vote, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu declared to journalists in New York: "We believe, Allah permitting, that we will get the [positive] result of the work we put in."

Allah did not permit. Turkey won merely 60 votes -- compared to 151 in 2008 -- and was defeated by New Zealand and Spain. Does that mean that Turkey is now being negatively perceived by the international community? Or that Turkey's global perception, visibility and influence are on decline? Of course not!

Cavusoglu heroically defended the defeat: "There may be those that are disturbed by our principled stance." How lovely! In the Turkish Islamist thinking, the country's election to the UN Security Council is an acknowledgement of Turkey's success story but failure is the work of unprincipled nations who envy Turkey. Enjoy your Rover!

We're rock stars either way: In Turkish Islamist thinking, Turkey's election to the Security Council is acknowledgement of its success, but failure is the work of unprincipled nations who envy Turkey. Pictured above, then Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan addresses the UN General Assembly in 2011. (Image source: UN)
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It is an open secret in diplomatic circles in Ankara that several Arab and African countries in which Turkey has heavily invested -- both economically and politically -- over the past several years, lobbied against Turkey's UNSC bid. Another group of countries with decent democratic credentials preferred to vote for a country [Spain] with the same democratic credentials, instead of a country known by its alarmingly autocratic resume.
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A long irrelevant rant. Does author remembers what was the subject?!!!
fallacy number n+2

Erdogan's Turkey is no longer an attraction for the Muslim Street. Instead, it is, overtly or covertly, on hostile terms with Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Iran -- all at the same time.

Just repeating the claim as proof.
fallacy number n+3

Ironically, after the 2010 Mavi Marmara incident, in which a Turkish flotilla tried to break an Israeli naval blockade aimed at preventing weapons from reaching the Gaza Strip, Erdogan and his then Foreign Minister (now Prime Minister), Ahmet Davutoglu, vowed to "isolate Israel."

Irrelevant to the main subject.
fallacy number n+4

Instead, it is Turkey that has been badly isolated, with the help of its one-time Arab brothers who had rushed to one city square after another, waving Turkish flags, to attend Erdogan's public rallies in Arab capitals.

LOL, he says Turkey is isolated, then talks about folks waving turkish flags as a proof!
fallacy number n+5
IQ<60

The U.S. ambassador's wording, "Rolls Royce ambitions," denotes a mental condition that categorically refuses admittance of own fault. In this mind-set, "We are so superb that we cannot be wrong because what we think right is Allah-given." If things go wrong, it must be because of something else.

Just repeating an irrelevant quote.

It is often amazing to observe that Erdogan and Davutoglu have every confidence in their foreign policy calculus despite repeated -- and sometimes tragic -- failures. At moments of despair, both men have had the reflex to blame failure on the "wrong world order." It is this childish psychology that, from time to time, when it suits their convenience, prompts them to question the legitimacy of international institutions, including that UN and the UN Security Council. They do not, for instance, question the UN's legitimacy when a resolution denounces, Israel. But they question that legitimacy only when it does not fit their agenda. Once, Erdogan said that the permanent UN Security Council members should have Muslim representation. Which country could he have been thinking of? I bet he was thinking of the one that he considers the heir to the throne of the Ottoman caliph.
For the mess they created in Syria, they have accused the West and NATO. For the failure to move an inch toward European Union membership, they have accused the EU for discriminating against a Muslim country. And most recently, Turkey failed to win the UN Security Council seat because of "those who are disturbed by [Turkey's] principled stance."

irrelevant rant. Does he remember the subject and the claim he needed to prove? rather, it is Just like finding some place to moan about and troll Turkey, and repeat the same stuff for every unrelated article.
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Burak Bekdil, based in Ankara, is a Turkish columnist for the Hürriyet Daily and a Fellow at the Middle East Forum.​

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Wrong again. Armenian propagandist is the correct term.

@Solomon2 Overall, it is a very weak article. I give him 8 out of 100, which 5 score comes from the interesting choice of words for the title. Basically, enough for me, in order not to read rest of his articles other than their titles. Recommend him to take some logics classes, and reduces trolling when he wants to write for a newspaper or so.

 

[asena_great]

Lets examine this article.

This is what author claims: Not being popular in Muslim Streets.
What he will do is instead considering relations with Governments, not muslim folks. First fallacy.
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What it has to do with the subject of article? zero connection. (Just trying to demonize and badmouth Turkey in the mean while) Second fallacy.

Where is proof?
counter arguments are abundant though. Having historical ties with Arabs? being a successful role model for middle easterners?

Who? A Lebanese taxi driver? or their president?
Ambiguity >> another fallacy

LOLOLOLOL
Just shows the lack of knowledge about basic logics.
fallacy number n+1

A long irrelevant rant. Does author remembers what was the subject?!!!
fallacy number n+2

Just repeating the claim as proof.
fallacy number n+3

Irrelevant to the main subject.
fallacy number n+4

LOL, he says Turkey is isolated, then talks about folks waving turkish flags as a proof!
fallacy number n+5
IQ<60

Just repeating an irrelevant quote.

irrelevant rant. Does he remember the subject and the claim he needed to prove? rather, it is Just like finding some place to moan about and troll Turkey, and repeat the same stuff for every unrelated article.
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Wrong again. Armenian propagandist is the correct term.

@Solomon2 Overall, it is a very weak article. I give him 8 out of 100, which 5 score comes from the interesting choice of words for the title. Basically, enough for me, in order not to read rest of his articles other than their titles. Recommend him to take some logics classes, and reduces trolling when he wants to write for a newspaper or so.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

the Turks are playing it very cool actually - playing their cards properly

real challenge will be to control the pro-PKK Kurds closer to its borders...but externally - in Northern Iraq Turks have used business and investment as leverage in Iraqi "Kurdistan"....western media was doing 24/7 propaganda against Turkiye claiming it was allowing ISIS to take over Kobani.....Turks are in a very interesting period - will have to play cards well and ensure its OWN national security

Syria is a mess!

 

[usernameless]

There seems to be a lot of truth and good sense in the article so B.B. appears to be a worthy journalist. Why do you trash him? Simply because you don't like what he writes?

There are many criticizing and skeptical Turkish writers, from left to right, from not (so) religious to religious, and we agree or disagree with such authors and their articles. From my point of view, key difference between BB and most writers is his remarkable attitude of blaming everything on the govt/state, being sceptical about anything that Turkey does, yet he is at the front to defend other countries, especially Israel. He might be an overly pessimistic guy, but if he's gonna write articles for especially an international audience, he should at least try to be more objective and praise Turkish progress where due. Imo he does nothing but harm, he doesnt represent the overall situation and only looks through his own glasses. Add his love for Israel too to make it complete. He is one of the things that can bring left, right, religious, not (so) religious Turks together for a common point, as you can see in this thread.

 

[Nefer]

There are many criticizing and skeptical Turkish writers, from left to right, from not (so) religious to religious, and we agree or disagree with such authors and their articles. From my point of view, key difference between BB and most writers is his remarkable attitude of blaming everything on the govt/state, being sceptical about anything that Turkey does, yet he is at the front to defend other countries, especially Israel. He might be an overly pessimistic guy, but if he's gonna write articles for especially an international audience, he should at least try to be more objective and praise Turkish progress where due. Imo he does nothing but harm, he doesnt represent the overall situation and only looks through his own glasses. Add his love for Israel too to make it complete. He is one of the things that can bring left, right, religious, not (so) religious Turks together for a common point, as you can see in this thread.

Also a fun fact, The Dutch media most of the time quotes Hurriyet... I have read enough different news papers for several years to make that statement

 

[T-123456]

There are many criticizing and skeptical Turkish writers, from left to right, from not (so) religious to religious, and we agree or disagree with such authors and their articles. From my point of view, key difference between BB and most writers is his remarkable attitude of blaming everything on the govt/state, being sceptical about anything that Turkey does, yet he is at the front to defend other countries, especially Israel. He might be an overly pessimistic guy, but if he's gonna write articles for especially an international audience, he should at least try to be more objective and praise Turkish progress where due. Imo he does nothing but harm, he doesnt represent the overall situation and only looks through his own glasses. Add his love for Israel too to make it complete. He is one of the things that can bring left, right, religious, not (so) religious Turks together for a common point, as you can see in this thread.

You should get a positive rating for this post.