Turkish General Elections 2015 (June 7, 2015)

[Hakan]

So, what does all of this mean? Will there be a coalition of minorities? Can CHP, MHP and HDP form a coalition? Do they even tolerate each other?

Idk, I would be surprised if anyone does a coalition with HDP. I think that would be a political suicide.

 

[TrMhMt]

I'm not fond of Kılıçdaroğlu ....I'm not fond of Bahçeli either...but better than Kılıçdaroğlu

Me either.

 

[بلندر]

a question , do you have to vote for parties !?
or you just vote for individual candidate !?

 

[TrMhMt]

a question , do you have to vote for parties !?
or you just vote for individual candidate !?

You can do both. Some candidates go for it independently.

 

[بلندر]

You can do both. Some candidates go for it independently.

and then how you nee parties to form a government !? just a simple internal election in Parliament and this will get over as fast as possible ....
maybe the elected parliament member just vote according of their own parties !? right !?

 

[AUz]

If HDP and MHP would give their support to CHP for forming a government, that would equate to representation of 60% of the nation.

Just because 40% of the nation does not like CHP, it does not mean they should be taken so seriously while on the other hand 60% of the nation agrees on CHP government.

Opinions of minority, if contradicting that of the majority, are irrelevant and thus do not matter.

LOL!! 25% of nation likes CHP, not 60%.

AKP is the most supported single part of Turkey. Period.

 

[SouI]

LOL!! 25% of nation likes CHP, not 60%.

AKP is the most supported single part of Turkey. Period.

You are officially retarded right now. Are you even a Turk to begin with?

No.

Period.

Stop acting like understanding our domestic politics.

Period.

 

[Solomon2]

Hey Jew, I bet Jews enjoy the result of the election most.

I don't know. Why don't you ask some Jews in Turkey what they think?

As for me, I'm pleased that this autocrat-wannabe has been taken down a peg and that Turkey's democracy is stronger than I had thought - though I will want to see how the ruling coalition shapes up.

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A wake-up call to Erdogan’s party

OSAMA AL-SHARIF
Published — Tuesday 9 June 2015
Last update 8 June 2015 11:47 pm

Political fallout from Sunday’s parliamentary elections in Turkey will have dramatic effects on this country’s internal and regional policies.

The electorate snubbed President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s ruling party for the first time in more than 12 years, curtailing the dominance of Justice and development Party (AK party) in the Parliament and in effect derailing Erdogan’s ambitions to rewrite the constitution and change Turkey’s political system.

The AK party remains the country’s largest party, but it has failed to win enough seats to stay in power. It will have to form a coalition government or, failing to do so, President Erdogan will have to call for early elections before the end of this year.

Needless to say elections results have stunned Erdogan and his supporters, sending a message that the electorate has become weary of AK party’s dominance and the president’s style of government. One of the major game changers has been the economy, which has been slowing at alarming rates in the last few years; the country grew by almost seven percent a year between 2002 and 2007 but averaging roughly three percent since 2012. But that is not all. Analysts believe that the Turkish public has grown impatient with Turkey’s foreign policy, especially concerning the Syrian conflict. Erdogan is one of the bitter enemies of President Bashar Assad and he has made Turkey’s participation in the international coalition fighting the militants conditional to toppling the Syrian regime.

Still Ankara has been accused of allowing tens of thousands of foreign fighters to cross the porous borders with Syria. Arab critics of Erdogan say he is seeking to extend Turkey’s influence in Syria and of reviving Ottoman hegemony in the region.

While Erdogan has risen to power through democratic means, his opponents accuse him of authoritarianism, even dictatorship, and of conspiring to end Turkey’s secular heritage. His party relies mainly on the support of religious voters, especially in the countryside, but Erdogan has built an intricate network of allies among the country’s conservative business community and ambitious politicians. But in the past two years opposition to the AK party began to rise, especially among the youth, reaching a boiling point in 2012. Erdogan has been criticized of intimidating his critics and of sending tens of journalists who disagree with him to prison. The latest upset could end the career of Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu who is party leader.

Erdogan achieved a decisive win last year when he was elected president, but his plans to change Turkey’s political system from parliamentary to presidential only bolstered the opposition particularly secular, liberal and nationalist parties. The biggest winner in this week’s election was the pro-Kurdish People’s Democratic Party (HDP), which for the first time captured more than the 10 percent of the vote needed to enter Parliament. It is believed that many non-Kurdish voters, especially liberals, had sided with HDP as a way of sending a message of discontent to the ruling AK party.

So far the three main opposition parties, including the right-wing Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), have ruled out the possibility of a coalition. One thing is clear now; Turkey will witness a tense phase of political instability and economic uncertainty until a new election is held or a narrow majority government is formed.

 

[FutureMe]

We have seen one more time that Democracy is sh.it. Now we will witness their destruction of our country.

It is not the democracy but it is the electoral system and regime that leads to bad governance. A narrow district two stage system would solve the problem of representation and instability togather. Add the presidental system on top of it and you are in the top 10 list of nations already.

This AKP supporter says that....know her only wish is to raise of the terror incidents and Turkey being tear apart...it's the real face of an AKPeon.

Stupid.

 

[xenon54 out]

Turkish Politics are a strange thing; you've hardly got any party to have won anything outside the top 4 !

In Pakistan you almost always end up with Independents and Regional Parties winning a couple of seats here and there that the largest party can almost always form a coalition with them. For example in the 2013 elections PML N got a little more than 48% of all seats and with the help of 3-4 regional parties formed a coalition strong enough to have the 2/3rd majority needed to change the constitution.

And what about the Provinces.....who forms Governments in the Provinces ? In Pakistan after the 2013 election the ruling party formed the Government at the Center and in the largest Province whereas in all other Provinces there are other Parties who've formed Governments therein and are ruling therein.

Well you know the sense of a constitution is that it gives the basic principle of a state, it shouldnt be possible to change it easily, otherwise why do you need one in the first place?

The governors are being appointed by the ministers with the approval of president.

Why do guys want to change our constitution? Armstrong do i need to come over to Kashmir to kick your butt?

 

[SouI]

It is not the democracy but it is the electoral system and regime that leads to bad governance. A narrow district two stage system would solve the problem of representation and instability togather. Add the presidental system on top of it and you are in the top 10 list of nations already.



Stupid.

Your comment is the one that is stupid.

You apparently do not even know what democracy is, how it is supposed to work and what its purpose is.

Democracy means the rule of the majority of the people.

That is why coalitions and external political supports are actually very good things. That ensures that ideological representation equaling at least more than 50% of the nation will be taken into account in the ruling of the country.

If you add "narrow district system", then that is no longer a democracy.

Two staged electoral system is also not democratic. If you really want to perfect it, you need to adapt Alternative Voting system, not only into the Presidential elections, but also into the general elections as well.

 

[FutureMe]

Your comment is the one that is stupid.

You apparently do not even know what democracy is, how it is supposed to work and what its purpose is.

Democracy means the rule of the majority of the people.

That is why coalitions and external political supports are actually very good things. That ensures that ideological representation equaling at least more than 50% of the nation will be taken into account in the ruling of the country.

If you add "narrow district system", then that is no longer a democracy.

Two staged electoral system is also not democratic. If you really want to perfect it, you need to adapt Alternative Voting system, not only into the Presidential elections, but also into the general elections as well.

So UK is no longer a democracy.

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

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That is why coalitions and external political supports are actually very good things. That ensures that ideological representation equaling at least more than 50% of the nation will be taken into account in the ruling of the country.

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Two staged electoral system is also not democratic. If you really want to perfect it, you need to adapt Alternative Voting system, not only into the Presidential elections, but also into the general elections as well.

It's not true.

Quinquennat (politique)

Cohabitation (government)


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[SouI]

So UK is no longer a democracy.

UK is not "no longer" a democracy, it has not been a democracy to begin with, just like US.

So yeah, US is not a democracy too, it is officially a constitutional republic. Republics do not necessarily have to be democracies. Yet UK is officially a kingdom, and the loyal family actually holds lots of power and authority.

As for US, American citizens do not get to elect their president. And considering the fact that US is ruled by a presidential system and presidents hold all the ruling power as well as the authority to own the government the way he wants, it is clear that US is also not a democracy.

 

[Solomon2]

As for US, American citizens do not get to elect their president.

Strictly speaking true, but in practice false: Americans elect candidate-designated electors who then vote for president but that's pretty much a formality.

Erdogan looms large as Turkey's AK Party mulls coalition options

By Orhan Coskun and Ercan Gurses1 hour ago

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Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan (C) looks on after arriving at Esenboga Airport, in Ankara, Turkey, …

By Orhan Coskun and Ercan Gurses

ANKARA (Reuters) - Whether it teams up with the nationalist or secularist opposition, Turkey's ruling AK Party must navigate the same obstacle in its search for a junior coalition partner: the ambition of President Tayyip Erdogan.

Though his efforts to forge a powerful executive presidency have for now been thwarted, Erdogan has held on to the reins of government despite stepping down as prime minister last August to take on the largely figurehead role of president.

Opposition leaders who could now enter government in a coalition have made clear they will not tolerate his meddling, suggesting the days of him hosting cabinet meetings in his 1,000-room new palace could be over, at least in the near term.

"A coalition seems inevitable, and the AK Party will be in it. That is evident," a senior party official told Reuters, on his way to what he said could be weeks of strategy meetings with Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and the AKP top brass.

Erdogan's past utterances on political opponents scarcely smooth the way to compromise. Last year, at the height of graft scandal he said had been engineered to topple him, he dubbed his rivals terrorists and traitors locked in an "alliance of evil".

Sunday's election, in which the Islamist-rooted AKP lost its parliament majority, ended more than a decade of single-party rule, dealt a blow to Erdogan's ambitions for a U.S.-style presidency and plunged Turkey into uncertainty not seen since the 1990s.

Though it could try to rule alone in a minority government, senior party sources said the AKP was determined to at least try to form a coalition, with the right-wing Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) seen as its most likely partner.

The negotiations will not be easy. MHP leader Devlet Bahceli, who has spoken out against Erdogan's ambitions for an executive presidency, warned on Sunday that the Turkish leader should "remain within his constitutional limits".

The MHP's core supporters are also vehemently opposed to peace talks with Kurdish militants, meant to end a three-decade insurgency in Turkey's southeast, and a project to which Erdogan and Davutoglu both say they are fully committed.

"The most likely (coalition partner) is MHP due to the similarity in support bases, but their stance is clear, the peace process must end," the senior AKP official said.

"Time will tell how this can be overcome, or whether it can be overcome."

The MHP, founded in 1969, was last in government as part of a coalition forged after a 1999 election in which it came second. That government fell apart in the 2001 financial crisis, leading to an early election won by the newly-founded AKP.

In the run-up to Sunday's vote, Erdogan repeatedly cited that episode as an example of the unstable alternative to single-party AKP rule.

NO EASY OPTIONS

In a procedural move, Davutoglu is expected to formally resign when he meets Erdogan later on Tuesday, but will be asked to continue in his role as prime minister until he is officially given the mandate to form a new government.

The pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) was the biggest winner in Sunday's election, crossing the 10 percent threshold to enter parliament as a party for the first time. Its leader, Selahattin Demirtas, on Tuesday again ruled out taking part in any coalition involving the AKP.

Should talks with the MHP fail, the AKP could consider a coalition with parliament's second-biggest group, the secularist Republican People's Party (CHP), AKP sources said, although that would mean bridging a gaping ideological divide.

Erdogan, champion of the conservative pious masses, views the CHP, the party of modern Turkey's founder Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, as the bastion of a secular elite whose liberal mentality he blames for much that is wrong with the country.

"A coalition with CHP cannot be completely ruled out. Numerically, we would have a serious majority," a second senior AKP official said. "Of course Erdogan is one of the biggest handicaps to such a deal. But there are no obstacles that cannot be overcome in politics."

If no working coalition can be formed after 45 days, Erdogan could call a fresh election, likely to be held in the autumn. But it would be a risky strategy, with a question mark over the ability of the AKP to significantly improve its result.

"We shouldn't be the side running away ... People need to know that coalition possibilities are being pushed to their limit," a third AKP source involved in the discussions said.

"If it becomes unavoidable, we always have the minority government card."

Either way, Turkey is likely to face another election before the completion of the next four-year parliamentary term.

"Whether this will be after 45 days, one year or two, depends on the attitudes and the paths taken by the parties from here," said Sinan Ulgen, visiting scholar at Carnegie Europe and chairman of the Istanbul-based EDAM think-tank.

(Additional reporting by Tulay Karadeniz and Nick Tattersall in Ankara, Daren Butler in Istanbul; Writing by Nick Tattersall; editing by Ralph Boulton)