Turkish F-4 beat Chinese Su-27S 0:8

[challenger]

Such as the quality of pilot
that what he means
so obvious

He could have completed his statement. That doesn't offend anyone. Only the statement implies that PLAAF needs to rethink its strategy as far as pilot training program and air craft models are concerned.

 

[justanobserver]

Hmm
I've heard of America doing similar stuff, losing deliberately to another country just to massage their egos and encourage them to buy more arms (i.e Saudi Arabia)

But China doing this , especially with all your 'face politics' ?

 

[Chinapak]

F4 Phantom can easily beat a SU 27 or even SU30MKI if we use some common sense. Even the Harrier can do it. How? Simply by fitting the F4 or Harrier with intelligent weapons, BVR and phased array radar. SU 27 and 30 might be superior in manoevrability, range and speed but the F4 and Harrier with BVR, superior radar and intelligent long range air to air missiles, they can easily shot down the latest sukhoi very far away that is beyound visual range and without need to engage in any dogfight given that any dogfight would be fatal to the Harrier or F4. However the sukhoi must not be fitted with Western intelligent weapons or similar BVR.
During the falklands the harrier had shot down-thanks to the US sidewinder-a few Mirage which were superior in speed and manoevrability. We must not forget that the F4 phantom had been the frontline jet fighters of the UK, Israel, Japan till late 80's.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

What are the parameters and conditions of this drill?

Quoting someone:

"'You fight like you train' is a saying from Top Gun school," Mr. Timperlake said. "The Turkish air force helping the PLAAF to see NATO combat tactics and training up close and personal is a very bad idea. It is deadly serious stuff."

Inside the Ring - Washington Times

If it did happened this time,the mistakes can be rectified in future.

 

[challenger]

What are the parameters and conditions of this drill?

Quoting someone:

Inside the Ring - Washington Times

If it did happened this time,the mistakes can be rectified in future.

Chinese members need not get unnecessarily upset, disappointed.

First of all, congrats to Turkish Air force for their good performance.

We should be thankful to Turkey for letting an SCO member know about NATO capabilities. I wish, if I could see Turkey as an SCO member.

 

[siegecrossbow]

The key thing right now is what the Chinese Air force could do to get the pilot training up to standards. The defeat, if true, is a major wake up call.

 

[Super Falcon]

not in hell F 4 can beat SU 27 reason it has poor manuverability and not good air to air war plane how it can

 

[below_freezing]

The key thing right now is what the Chinese Air force could do to get the pilot training up to standards. The defeat, if true, is a major wake up call.

do we know if we even lost? it is technically illegal and if it was true the censors would have gotten to it already.

also, the US would have been all over the news by now if true.

finally, lets be honest: this is like a WW2 propeller plane beating a Mig-21.

again, we have had war games with Russia and pakistan, is Turkey so significantly superior to Russia and Pakistan that it not only can beat us, but beat us 0:8?

 

[IBRIS]

cannot find anything authentic stating Su-27 lost.

Did PLAAF brought it's AWACS in the drill.?
Were the TAF using it's AWACS in the drill.?

No country would ever bring it's best systems to a drill where all there secrets could be exploited by opposing host. For example, like what India did with it's Sukhoi's in Red Flags.

Please trolls keep out and troll else where in some funny and stupid thread.

 

[chengdusudise]

if it is su-27sk vs F16 block52,then 0:8 is logical,but F-4? seems a little unbelievable

 

[SEAL]

We don't know how true this is maybe its 0:8 against Mig-29?
but If the news is true than its worrying and truth is PLAAF have no real experience of this kind of war games obviously its hard to beat Turkish Top guns.I am sure Chinese learnt a lot from this exercise.

From Pakistan point of view if F4 can beat SU-27 than JF-17 vs SU-30MKI.

 

[prototype]

wow the most kiddish news i ever heard,so turkey brought some F-4 parked in the Smithsonian museum and beat down Chinese Su-27 8:0

Next time they will bring some F-16 and the reports which follow next will that entire PLAAF evaporated

 

[CardSharp]

more like:

we lost.
then: we lost 0:8 (never mind that we had air exercises with RUSSIA before)
then: we not only lost, but we lost to F-4s 0:8
then: we not only lost, and lost to F-4's 0:8, our pilots got dizzy after 2 spins

next version: we not only lost to F-4s 0:8 and our pilots got dizzy, they got so scared they 尿裤子了。

An army that is afraid to make mistakes doesn't innovate. If there is one thing that I admire most about the PLA is that it isn't afraid to make mistakes. Better to learn lessons in peace than in war.

 

[CardSharp]

wow the most kiddish news i ever heard,so turkey brought some F-4 parked in the Smithsonian museum and beat down Chinese Su-27 8:0

Next time they will bring some F-16 and the reports which follow next will that entire PLAAF evaporated

Yeah, we are not in habit of being afraid to look bad in order to progress. What is deadly for a countries defence are static institutions.

 

[below_freezing]

An army that is afraid to make mistakes doesn't innovate. If there is one thing that I admire most about the PLA is that it isn't afraid to make mistakes. Better to learn lessons in peace than in war.

i am questioning the validity of this news though.

We have exercised with Russia and Pakistan before, so it's not like we are cavemen with no experience. Russia and Pakistan are top line air forces with either current or recent wars going on.

Is Turkey significantly, not just slightly, but significantly and supremely superior to pakistan and russia? In fact, so superior that its 2nd generation planes beat our 3rd generation planes? Do you realize how superior their pilots would have to be? If they're that superior, our pilots must be braindead... but that doesn't explain how we didn't lose badly against Russia and Pakistan.