Turkish Defence Industry Exports & Updates
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Turkey's defense exports grow by over 16%
https://www.sabah.com.tr/ekonomi/2018/12/06/savunma-ve-havacilik-ihracatta-rekora-kostu
https://www.sabah.com.tr/ekonomi/2018/12/06/savunma-ve-havacilik-ihracatta-rekora-kostu
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What surprised me here was that we export more to India and Poland than Pakistan.
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Unfortunately, Pakistan has no money to spend.. Actually it is a pity that many of Turkey's most brotherly countries are broke af. (Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan)
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Nope, that isnt it. We hear a lot about military industrial export deals to pakistan such as milgem and atak. But I’ve never heard of us selling anything to India.
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If I am not mistaken, both deals were financed by Turkey. I.e. no hard currency upfront for Turkey
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The statistics are not about where the money was sourced from, its about how many dollars worth of arms turkey has exported. Whether Pakistani government pays off its own pockets, borrows it from a pakistani bank or a turkish bank has no effect on these statistics.
That being said, the deals thenselves dont have any effects either, because those deals are not delivered yet (meaning no export has taken place). I mentioned those examples to demonstrate how pakistan seems to be buying more stuff.
That being said, the deals thenselves dont have any effects either, because those deals are not delivered yet (meaning no export has taken place). I mentioned those examples to demonstrate how pakistan seems to be buying more stuff.
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As early as 22 November 2018, MaxDefense already raised the alarm that someone of influence in the Duterte administration is coercing the Technical Working Group (TWG) of an important modernization project, and the Senior leadership of a certain major service branch to change its selected product in favor of another company being represented locally by his friend and campaign provider.
Also, last 28 November 2018, MaxDefense released a blog entry on the affected project, which we hoped will pre-empt any plan by Malacanang to disrupt the project or fire anyone from the PAF, especially those involved in the said project.
MaxDefense was actually referring to the Philippines Air Force and the Technical Working Group of the Attack Helicopter acquisition project. In extension, MaxDefense also found out that this also applies to the TWG of the Combat Utility Helicopter acquisition project. Take note that MaxDefense reported before that the TWG for the Attack Helicopter project selected the Turkish-made T129 ATAK, while the Combat Utility Helicopter TWG is said to be in favor of either the Bell 412EPI or Sikorsky S-70i Black Hawk.
It turns out that the local representative of Leonardo Helicopters was unhappy with the PAF AH TWG decision and asked his friend, who is a very close associate of Pres. Duterte, to do something about it. In turn, this presidential associate asked the TWG to change their selection of the TAI T129 ATAK, and instead pick the AgustaWestland AW109 armed light helicopter, similar to those already in service with the PAF.
Also, the administration may have already made a pact with the South Korean government and agreed for the PAF to acquire the Korean-made KUH-1 Surion helicopter, as the Koreans wanted to build the Surion helicopter's export portfolio by starting with the Philippines. A sale to the PAF increases it's chances of winning other export markets like Indonesia. According to a Malacanang source, the Surion is a "done deal".
Apparently the PAF's senior leaders headed by its commanding general, Lt.Gen. Galileo Kintanar, stood by the TWGs of both helicopter projects and insisted that the PAF's decision be respected, being the end user of the products, and the one with technical expertise to determine which product is suitable for their needs.
MaxDefense received the information on the issue 2 weeks ago from a source in Malacanang, which was later on corroborated by sources in the defense department, that since the issue was already turning sour against Lt.Gen. Kintanar for his decision to defend the TWGs, higher ups decided to replace him with WESTCOM commander Lt.Gen. Briguez, whose job will be to make the TWGs change their decisions in favor of the administration's will.
Kintanar may have already known his fate, and during the anniversary of the 15th Strike Wing last 26 November 2018, he publicly announced that the PAF already selected the T129 ATAK attack helicopter from Turkey and was already submitted to DND for negotiations, probably also as a pre-emptive move to allow the public to know the PAF's stand should something happen to him or his men.
This is exactly the same case as what happened to the Philippine Navy last year, when its chief / Flag Officer in Command VAdm. Mercado was relieved for standing by the TWG of the Frigate acquisition project's decision to insist on the selection they made. Then after removing Mercado, the government coerced the TWG including relieving its head as well, and was able to bend their decision in favor of Korean companies. Only this time, the government acted faster by not allowing Lt.Gen. Kintanar to take a stand and let the public know about the issues he is facing.
This move by this administration is an obvious act of bullying the AFP to submission and pushing for their self interest instead of allowing them to decide for their own requirements based on their own technical requirements.
Also, last 28 November 2018, MaxDefense released a blog entry on the affected project, which we hoped will pre-empt any plan by Malacanang to disrupt the project or fire anyone from the PAF, especially those involved in the said project.
MaxDefense was actually referring to the Philippines Air Force and the Technical Working Group of the Attack Helicopter acquisition project. In extension, MaxDefense also found out that this also applies to the TWG of the Combat Utility Helicopter acquisition project. Take note that MaxDefense reported before that the TWG for the Attack Helicopter project selected the Turkish-made T129 ATAK, while the Combat Utility Helicopter TWG is said to be in favor of either the Bell 412EPI or Sikorsky S-70i Black Hawk.
It turns out that the local representative of Leonardo Helicopters was unhappy with the PAF AH TWG decision and asked his friend, who is a very close associate of Pres. Duterte, to do something about it. In turn, this presidential associate asked the TWG to change their selection of the TAI T129 ATAK, and instead pick the AgustaWestland AW109 armed light helicopter, similar to those already in service with the PAF.
Also, the administration may have already made a pact with the South Korean government and agreed for the PAF to acquire the Korean-made KUH-1 Surion helicopter, as the Koreans wanted to build the Surion helicopter's export portfolio by starting with the Philippines. A sale to the PAF increases it's chances of winning other export markets like Indonesia. According to a Malacanang source, the Surion is a "done deal".
Apparently the PAF's senior leaders headed by its commanding general, Lt.Gen. Galileo Kintanar, stood by the TWGs of both helicopter projects and insisted that the PAF's decision be respected, being the end user of the products, and the one with technical expertise to determine which product is suitable for their needs.
MaxDefense received the information on the issue 2 weeks ago from a source in Malacanang, which was later on corroborated by sources in the defense department, that since the issue was already turning sour against Lt.Gen. Kintanar for his decision to defend the TWGs, higher ups decided to replace him with WESTCOM commander Lt.Gen. Briguez, whose job will be to make the TWGs change their decisions in favor of the administration's will.
Kintanar may have already known his fate, and during the anniversary of the 15th Strike Wing last 26 November 2018, he publicly announced that the PAF already selected the T129 ATAK attack helicopter from Turkey and was already submitted to DND for negotiations, probably also as a pre-emptive move to allow the public to know the PAF's stand should something happen to him or his men.
This is exactly the same case as what happened to the Philippine Navy last year, when its chief / Flag Officer in Command VAdm. Mercado was relieved for standing by the TWG of the Frigate acquisition project's decision to insist on the selection they made. Then after removing Mercado, the government coerced the TWG including relieving its head as well, and was able to bend their decision in favor of Korean companies. Only this time, the government acted faster by not allowing Lt.Gen. Kintanar to take a stand and let the public know about the issues he is facing.
This move by this administration is an obvious act of bullying the AFP to submission and pushing for their self interest instead of allowing them to decide for their own requirements based on their own technical requirements.
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Still curious what exactly is exported to India.
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Mostly non-defence related goods, I guess.
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A surprise for tomorrow!
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Activities carries out within this week,
- Hisar SAM hit targets and passed a new phase.
- Bora hit the targets with point accuracy in trial.
- ÇAFRAD guided a SAM missile and hit the target succesfully.
