Turkic - Anatolian Music

[Targon]

No not really, its same, if there are Kurds in MHP then they are seriously confused.

 

[telkon]

Nationalism in Turkey is different.
Many Kurds in MHP(Nationalist party).

MHP isn't nationalist party per se. it advocates territorial nationalism and at the same time ummah.

 

[T-123456]

MHP isn't nationalist party per se. it advocates territorial nationalism and at the same time ummah.

Ummah?
Thats a first,didnt know that.
Do you have a link where it says they want Ummah?

 

[Targon]

Bir de Özbeklerle niye dalaşıp duruyorsunuz durum nedir ?

 

[telkon]

Ummah?
Thats a first,didnt know that.
Do you have a link where it says they want Ummah?

are you serious? that's basically politics 101 course. meaning of three crescents

Türk Birliği: Türk Milletinin yoğun olarak yaşadığı bütün yurtların birleşerek ismi Turan olan devletin kurulmasıdır. Tek Vatan , Tek Devlet , Tek Millet ilkesinin gerçekleştirilebilmesidir.

İslam Birliği: Büyük Turan gerçekleştirildikten sonra Türk olmayan diğer Müslüman milletler de ümmet kardeşliği inancımıza uygun olarak birliğimize katılacaktır ve Türk İslam birliği gerçekleşecektir.

Türk Cihan Hakimiyeti: Nizam-i Alem , İlay-i Kelimetullah veya Türk Cihan Hakimiyeti. Türk-İslam birliği gerçekleştiğinde aleme Allah(c.c) ' in Nizamını yaymak ve Cihanda Türk hakimiyetini sağlamak.

source: ÜÇ HİLAL ANLAMI NEDİR - RADYO 3 HİLAL - Ülkücü Radyo ve Sohbet

i know a lot of MHP sympathisers. one of them was in very high position within MHP. once i asked him "let's say non-muslim turkics living in siberia who practice tengrianism, buuddhism and those in central asia who are still tengrians including me won't embrace islam, what will you do?" he said "we'll kill you all". that was worse than jihadists. and there's also a conflict between nihal atsız and türkeş. atsız was tengrianist and türkeş embraced turko-islam synthesis as his party's main program. türkeş said in one of his interviews:

Nihal beyle 30 senedir dosttuk..
Sene 1970 Ötüken dergisinde Nihal Atsız şunları yazmıştır.
Kuranı Kerim allahın kelamı değil Muhammedin kendi kelamıdır demiştir ve Nihal bey o dergide kendisinin Irkcı-Türkçü-Turancı olduğunu yazmıştır..Nihal beye göre Irkçılık-Turancılık ve Türkçülük ayrılmaz bir bütündür. Ama ben hiç bir zaman ırkçı olmadım hep reddettim ve Türk-Kürt kardeşliğinden söz ettim..
Ben Hepimiz Müslümanız Türküz ve Türk Kürt kardeştir deyince Nihal bey dergisinde buna şiddetle karşı çıkmış.
Kürtler Türk değildir onlar Farsdır ve Farslarda Medeniyetsiz-Dağlı ve Vahşi demiştir..Zaten sayın Atsız Kürtlere hakaretten yargılanmış ve ceza almıştır.
Biz bunlardan Nihal beyle ayrı düştük.
Ben hiç bir zaman ırkçı olmadım ama Nihal beyin söylemleri kabul edilemezdir.
Biz müslümanız derken o Şamanizimi savunuyordu.
Bizi bu yollar ayırdı

Bir de Özbeklerle niye dalaşıp duruyorsunuz durum nedir ?

onlar kaşınıyor. 1990da kaşındılar, kaşıdık. yetmedi 2010da tekrar kaşındılar, yine kaşıdık. kendilerini bizden üstün görüyor hıyar ağaları. bunlar 1989da da özbekistan'da ahıska türklerine kıyım yapmışlardı. sonra bizdeki olay patlak verdi.

 

[revojam]

Ummah?
Thats a first,didnt know that.
Do you have a link where it says they want Ummah?

From the first moment ülkücü harekat followed Pan-Turkism(not Turkish Nationalism created by Ataturk) and Pan-Turkism is not just a Turkic nationalizm but also aims to embrace non-Turkic muslim nations(like Chechens) , this ideology directly created after the Arab Rebellions in WW1 to let Ottoman Empire once again expend its borders and influence(this time not Middle-East and Europe but towards Central Asia).

 

[telkon]

From the first moment ülkücü harekat followed Pan-Turkism(not Turkish Nationalism created by Ataturk) and Pan-Turkism is not just a Turkic nationalizm but also aims to embrace non-Turkic muslim nations(like Chechens) , this ideology directly created after the Arab Rebellions in WW1 to let Ottoman Empire once again expend its borders and influence(this time not Middle-East and Europe but towards Central Asia).

have to disagree. pan-turkism was founded among turkic peoples of russian empire in 1840s. it started as jadidism (ceditçilik) which advocated moderate secularism and education. it was jadidists who voiced turkic ethnicality over muslim identity and tried to come up with new politics towards turkic peoples. among the most prominent proponents was ismail gaspıralı. after tsarirst russia started pressure, many of these people fled to ottoman state. this exodus continued after bolsheviks came to power. these people, among whom were sadri arsal, zeki velidi togan, mustafa chokay defined pan-turkism. ziya gökalp redefined it. ittihad ve terakki was deeply influensed by these ideas, enver pasha being the most prominent of them. of course, it can be said that ottoman's policy towards this was to regain prestige it lost through new achievements in central asia.
mhp's turkism can't be defined as pure turanism or pan-turkism. for, it embraces both islam and turkic identity while pan-turkists put being turkic at first. theirs is racial preferense and as a result many pan-turkists reject islam and prefer to be tengrianist which they view as turks' true religion.

 

[ASQ-1918]

After all, Azerbaijanis, turkish people, Kyrgyz, ... are all Turkic people. But, I didn't know if the Kyrgyz language is close to Azeri or not. I assumed @telkon is from Turkey based on his flag. BTW, @telkon , how much Kyrgyz language is mutually intelligible with Azeri, and Turkish?

This is the supposed (approx) lexical similarity between different Turkic languages.

http://i47.tinypic.com/iveq2h.png

You have to keep in mind that Kyrgyz is a Kypchak tongue, while Anatolian and Azerbaijani Turkish are Oghuz. Uzbek-Uyghur are much closer to Oghuz than Kazakh-Kyrgyz (Turkmen is Oghuz).

 

[ASQ-1918]

By the way, the lexical similarity between Azerbaijani and Anatolian Turkish are shown at 86% in the graph I posted, it perhaps sounds correct, more or less (maybe it could be around 90% too).

Indeed, there is a good number of genuine Turkic words that are different between Azerbaijan and Anatolian Turkish:

(examples are genuine Turkic words that exists in two languages)

Azerbaijani - Turkish - English

Tap - Bul - Find
Axtar - Ara - Search
Qayt - Dön - Return
Apar - Götür - Take
Harada - Nerede - Where
Dişle - Isır - Bite
Danışmaq - Konuşmak - To talk
Darıxqanlıq - Sıkılganlık - Boredom
Oxşa - Benze - Resemble (Oşxarlıq - Benzerlik - Resemblance)
Ud - Yen - Win
Uduz - Yenil - Lose
Qutar - Bitir - Finish
Qadağan - Yasak - Forbiden
Yandır - Yak - Burn
Yaxşı - İyi - Good
İyis - Koku - Smell
İsti - Sıcak - Warm
Uşaq - Çocuk - Children ("Uşak" exists in some of local Anatolian dialects)
Bala - Yavru - Baby

Some examples...

 

[kaykay]

Gulay's 'ceseratin vami aska' is good too.

 

[Targon]

We actually use Ütmek(Win) Ütülmek(Lose) but only in some cases, for example when kids play Bilye/Misket, the verb used for loser who gives his Bilyes to winner is "Ütülmek" , so its mostly used on games etc. where you usually gain or lose something. I also saw "Kotarmak" but don't know if it was always in Turkish or adopted in modern era, its certainly not used in my region's local dialect.

My etymologic dictionary says Apar is most probably Iranian.

Edit: we have Darlanmak too, get bored.

@telkon

Ekşi sözlükte g.tünden salladığını düşündüğüm biri Türkçedeki "Ay Dede" isminin "Ay Ata" isimli Türk mitolojisindeki bir tanrıdan geldiğini söylemiş, hani tanrı olmasada var mı Kırgızlarda da Ay'a böyle hitap şekli ?

 

[xenon54 out]

We actually use Ütmek(Win) Ütülmek(Lose) but only in some cases, for example when kids play Bilye/Misket, the verb used for loser who gives his Bilyes to winner is "Ütülmek" , so its mostly used on games etc. where you usually gain or lose something. I also saw "Kotarmak" but don't know if it was always in Turkish or adopted in modern era, its certainly not used in my region's local dialect.

Where is your region i never heard these words?

 

[Targon]

Which words ?

I'm from Antalya.

 

[xenon54 out]

Which words ?

I'm from Antalya.

''Ütmek'' ''Ütülmek'' and "Kotarmak"

 

[Umair Nawaz]