Turkey’s S-400 vs F-35 dilemma in 2019

[TheMightyBender]

Why are you ignoring that rules violation by a certain member, who has been repeatedly warned by you? If you have done your job properly, none of these would have happend. @cabatli_53

This is why I am asking you should I take manners into my own hands? Don't say "here you go", do your job properly.

You should just fire him bro, get someone more competent to do the job

 

[bsruzm]

You should just fire him bro, get someone more competent to do the job

That is not how things work on forums. I will write a complaint to GHQ, there is a clear violation of rules by a certain member that he is not acting on, I don't know whatever reason he has.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

I dont see Turkey involving with F35 under any circumstances. Neither Government nor Army would want that Risk. Even though You are Right and It would give Turkish Navy immense Power in over sea operations. But This isn't realistic anymore.

That's absolutely right. No more fighter jets from the US until the following issues are resolved:

• US support of Gulenist/FETO terrorist organization and coup d'etat attempts for undermining Turkish democracy. F. Gulen must be extradited to Turkey.
  
• US support, training and arming of PKK/YPG organization against Turkey must stop. US has no business in Northern Iraq or Syria. US bases in these areas must be transferred over to TSK.
  
• US support for Greek, GKRY and Israeli oil/gas drilling in the East Med that violates the rights/EEZ of Turkey and TRNC must cease.
  
• US must deliver Turkey's F-35s as per the contract terms and pay Turkey a nominal sum for the unreasonable delay.
• No more currency manipulation to try to weaken the Turkish economy.
  
• Any further military orders will have to be guaranteed by US Congress BEFORE Turkey makes any payments.
• All purchases must include full or limited tech-transfer and local or joint production in Turkey.

Otherwise, the pricks at the Pentagon can kindly go F themselves.

 

[CAN_TR]

I dont see Turkey involving with F35 under any circumstances. Neither Government nor Army would want that Risk. Even though You are Right and It would give Turkish Navy immense Power in over sea operations. But This isn't realistic anymore.

I'm aware that F-35 chances are pretty much 0%. Just made it clear that UAV's can't project power over airspace with hostile aircrafts and that the statement "no need for manned aircrafts" is false.

 

[Saithan]

Just report the thread and move on, you don't need to stoop down to "if you can't do it, then I'll do it". Doesn't look good.

I think it's necessary to have a strong leader, and the transition to presidency is/has advantages and vices. I only hope the current government, president and their supporting political party will shape it so that there is a balance of power. otherwise it's destined to go bad some day. checks and balances.

I am putting my hope on TSK, and everything developed for them. I hope that some in the industry are allowed to partake in the shitload of money RTE is throwing at certain companies.

And please Hurjet... just be ready, or surprise us and pop out tomorrow! That would make us all so happy.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

So has Turkey activated S-400 yet? It's 6th April 2020.

 

[xenon54 out]

Turkey lost F35 but operates over 250 x F16

they picked S400 and Russia is not their friend

they arrested a US Pastor and then released him

they want to hold Europe hostage with refugees and still want to be part of Europe

Turkey in last few years has very very confusing

what Turkey needs is a strategy a game plan a mission and stick to it

it has enough resources the military is indigenising and economy well its up and down due its bad foreign policy

its 2020 and I remember thinking in 2005 that by 2020 Turkey will probably be a mini-superpower

Thats bound to happen if a country is being ruled by a single man. Turkish bureaucracy and institutions are emptied and replaced by yes sayers over the years. The goverment in Turkey is nothing but an empty shell.

Ironically this empty shell is leaving Erdogan lonely now that he needs any help he can get, karma i guess.

 

[Ansu fati]

yes we dont have lobbies:

we have only traitors like this:

they prefer this kind of people you cant lobby, you simply dont come into positons


they only choose loyal people for them for me the one above and the others alike are the worst of the worst
I stop here and deleted my further description of those filth..

also our people are very different lets be honest turkey is ethnically divided country and turks are a minority I give you an excample of the bitter reality -again deleted by myself- :

in our town our mosque had been attacked our youth wanted bloody revange and brake the bones of these people they would have gone beserk but shure they got back stebbed by the older ones (the turkish elders0 have an agreemend with the elders of kekos but here comes the humilation the kekos said we cant give guaranty for the youth).. you cant trust our people.. and I tell you if this would have been people from our part of turkey they would unite and fight back this is what they do in france if something happens.. but with karadenizli and malatya adana makedonian izmirli and whatever softies you have to fear that this ppl will unite with your enemy and bring you to the police because you broke the nose of someone and add others fantasies into it to make it worser

this does not mean the kekos of germany are to each other best friends they hate each other and could kill each other but they unite against us..

This guy(cem ozdemir) is armenian pretending to be turk so I’m not surprised of his treacherous actions

Turkey lost F35 but operates over 250 x F16

they picked S400 and Russia is not their friend

they arrested a US Pastor and then released him

they want to hold Europe hostage with refugees and still want to be part of Europe

Turkey in last few years has very very confusing

what Turkey needs is a strategy a game plan a mission and stick to it

it has enough resources the military is indigenising and economy well its up and down due its bad foreign policy

its 2020 and I remember thinking in 2005 that by 2020 Turkey will probably be a mini-superpower

Maybe US should stop treating Turkey as banana state(organizing coups)
Andrew brunson is american agent under cover of being “pastor” he was released because in late 2018 new negotiations about S400/F-35/Syria issues between governments started later failed in July 2019 when they illegally kicked out Turkey from F-35 programme
S400 is bought because americans refused to give Patriots even though Turkey has been asking for them since late 1990s even bankrupt country like greece has patriots+s300
No one is holding Europe hostage 2016 refugee deal was temporary if you think that nationalistic state like Turkey would hold arabs and others forever that would result in permanent demographic change I am sorry for haters this won’t happen TR government offered safe zone proposal which was a win win deal even in 2012 as well as in September 2019 again but Europe wants to support terrorism against turks
You only see one side but every story has two sides

 

[Timur]

This guy(cem ozdemir) is armenian pretending to be turk so I’m not surprised of his treacherous actions

guys stop that bullshit.. everyone who does wrong is an armenian with this mentality we gain nothing..

its like saying there are no gay turks if you find gay they only can be armenian/kurdish
if a kurd does wrong its an armenian.. if a turk does wrong he is armenian.. no they are not armenians but they side up with them sometimes you will see people being against their own people and trying to destroy them this happens everywhere

this guy is from tokat he is a traitor and a dog.. he even got a medal in armenia.. thats it a filthy gavur wich should never use the word turk to descripe himself in that I agree with you

 

[bsruzm]

Just report the thread and move on, you don't need to stoop down to "if you can't do it, then I'll do it". Doesn't look good.

There was clear violation of rules in a disrespectful manner in which somebody responsible has to act on. Nobody stoops down, I did report, problem is solved. Now, move on with topic.

 

[neosinan]

... UAV's can't project power over airspace with hostile aircrafts ...

Yet.

Lifecycle of a ship like TCG Anadolu is quite a long time. And we will have UCAVs with such capabilities quite early compare to rest of the world.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Even the Americans themselves are calling the F-35 an overpriced and overhyped "flying lemon" with the sole aim of ripping off US "allies".

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/magazine/f35-joint-strike-fighter-program.html

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

Even the Americans themselves are calling the F-35 an overpriced and overhyped "flying lemon" with the sole aim of ripping off US "allies".

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/magazine/f35-joint-strike-fighter-program.html

Brother, don't talk shit about that plane just because we are not getting any of them. She may be costly but she's an technological wonder. We applied just 30 percent of the capabilities that we would get from her in Idlib and we can clearly see the results. You guys may think me of a F-35 fan but don't forget that S-400 is not a wunderwaffe too. And when it comes to the F-35/S-400 deal, I think we all should calculate the pros and cons... Anyway, if F-35 is a technological wonder, just imagine the capabilities of TF-X/MMU...

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

The US won't deliver F-35 to Turkey even if Turkey didn't buy S-400. Erdogan soured relation with Israel that's why Israeli lobby lobbied Congress to ban F-35 sale to Turkey.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Brother, don't talk shit about that plane just because we are not getting any of them. She may be costly but she's an technological wonder. We applied just 30 percent of the capabilities that we would get from her in Idlib and we can clearly see the results. You guys may think me of a F-35 fan but don't forget that S-400 is not a wunderwaffe too. And when it comes to the F-35/S-400 deal, I think we all should calculate the pros and cons... Anyway, if F-35 is a technological wonder, just imagine the capabilities of TF-X/MMU...

ÇölKaplanı bro I'm not saying S-400 is a wunderwaffe, far from it. It was simply a geopolitical necessity to acquire. Up above I simply gave an example to how even the AMERICANS are saying what the F-35 really is. The link I shared is one of many such criticisms arising from US public towards this ridiculously expensive and underperforming program. F-35 really is an overpriced airplane and after all these years STILL suffers from technical problems. Just a couple months ago a report came out stating it has 900+ unpatched software bugs. Features that make it "a technological wonder" (???) also make it fundamentally flawed and vulnerable to cyber attacks. For the money we'd spend on 100-120 F-35s, we can fully finance the development of our own TF-X MMU with features matching and even exceeding that of the F-35 with a lot of money to spare.

Don't believe me?

Fine. Listen to this guy, Pierre Sprey, a Yale graduated aerospace engineer who worked at Grumman AIrcraft and the Pentagon and helped design the F-16 and A-10 fighters. He basically bitch slaps the F-35, drags it through trash and then slam dunks it into a bucket of shit.