Turkey's President Erdogan gives green light to Sweden's NATO bid

[MMM-E]

And trust me, Turkey is never going to be part of EU. Some say because of Greece and Cyprus, but I am pretty sure Turkey cant find a single EU country who actually support the idea of Turkey being part of EU.
Notice how they disrupt NATO? Do you think the EU plans to be taken hostage by Turkey too?

Turkiye is growing power with its military complex , industry , new gas-oil reserves , rich oil-gas country friends like Qatar , Libya and Turkic States Organization which has tens of trillions of dollars of gas , oil , thorium , uranium , boron , gold , rare-earth metals


Better worry about pathetic EU

The EU depends on Russian Gas
If the supply of Russian gas to Europe were cut off , Europe will freeze without Russian Gas

The European Union aims to achieve energy independence from Russia by 2030
where will the EU find gas ? from MARS ?

The EU needs Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan,Turkiye

 

[jhungary]

You should ask local Germans, Dutch, Belgian, French (heck, all local western european citizen) what they feel if ''Muslim''Turkey join the EU. Your assumption that the rest of the EU except Greece and Cyprus ,dont care if Turkey join the EU, is really your lack of insight how locals think.

Well, it's not about citizen sentiment, it's about the political party in charge, it's not the people that attend the European Commission..

All 4 now have a left or center left party in charge,

Social Democratic Party of Germany is Center Left
People's Party for Freedom and Democracy of Netherland is Left
Open Flemish Liberals and Democrats of Belgium is Liberal Right
and of course Marcon's Renaissance is Left leaning as well

Of all the European country, I think the only government that have a beef with Muslim and turkey is either Hungary or actually Sweden, without the beef of Greece and Cyprus

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[MMM-E]

Little retard kids count your years it is not 20 years but 16 years lot earlier than developing 5th gen jets do the math before you post

What a troll
not 16 , but 20 years ... ( 2012-2032 )

KAAN will have truly 5th gen capability with new gen indigenous engine in 2032

in 2028 , KAAN will be delivered with GE-F110 engine ... ( 4,5++ capability )
Russian SU-57 also doesnt have truly 5th gen capability now
S.Korean KF-21 also doesnt have truly 5th gen capability

And if french FCAS comes in 2050 than your beloved TEMPEST will come after 2060 stop blabbering senseless you retard kid

stop trolling retarted kid

Dassault CEO says No FCAS before 2050​

No FCAS before 2050, says Dassault CEO - AeroTime

Speaking at the Paris Air Forum on June 7, 2022, Éric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation, gave an update on the advancement of the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) program. The “system of systems” built around a sixth-generation fighter jet, the Next Generation Fighter (NGF) was contracted by the...

www.aerotime.aero

 

[White and Green with M/S]

What a troll
not 16 , but 20 years ... ( 2012-2032 )

KAAN will have truly 5th gen capability with new gen indigenous engine in 2032

in 2028 , KAAN will be delivered with GE-F110 engine ... ( 4,5++ capability )
Russian SU-57 also doesnt have truly 5th gen capability now

F22 and f-35 takes 25 years to induct why would kaan will develop in just 20 years do you have better aviation industry than USA???

What a troll
not 16 , but 20 years ... ( 2012-2032 )

KAAN will have truly 5th gen capability with new gen indigenous engine in 2032

in 2028 , KAAN will be delivered with GE-F110 engine ... ( 4,5++ capability )
Russian SU-57 also doesnt have truly 5th gen capability now
S.Korean KF-21 also doesnt have truly 5th gen capability




stop trolling retarted kid

Dassault CEO says No FCAS before 2050​

No FCAS before 2050, says Dassault CEO - AeroTime

Speaking at the Paris Air Forum on June 7, 2022, Éric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation, gave an update on the advancement of the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) program. The “system of systems” built around a sixth-generation fighter jet, the Next Generation Fighter (NGF) was contracted by the...

www.aerotime.aero

And same goes to cash strapped project of tempest lol stop barking senseless

 

[Broccoli]

Man,before I came to the forum I had a completely different idea about Chinese people. After seeing beijingwalker,renhai,him and a few others here and reading stories about complains from HK locals and others about mainland Chinese...my opinion has changed.

Same here with this and other forums. Many have become aggressive and unpleasant chaps in past five years.

 

[MMM-E]

F22 and f-35 takes 25 years to induct why would kaan will develop in just 20 years do you have better aviation industry than USA???

Because Turkiye urgently needs its own weapons .. we are working 7/24


Turkiye has developed AKINCI UCAV in 2 years 2019-2021
and entered service in 2022

Turkiye has developed KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter in 2 years 2020-2022
and enter service in 2025

Turkiye has developed T-929 Attack Helicopter in 5 years 2018-2023
and enter service in 2025

F22 and f-35 takes 25 years to induct why would kaan will develop in just 20 years do you have better aviation industry than USA???

And same goes to cash strapped project of tempest lol stop barking senseless

stop barking senseless and read

The UK doesnt say 2050 for TEMPEST
but France says 2050 for FCAS

The UK has better technology than France including new generation turbofan Engine

 

[Foinikas]

Same here with this and other forums. Many have become aggressive and unpleasant chaps in paat five years.

Man I didn't expect them to be so nationalistic!

 

[Broccoli]

Man I didn't expect them to be so nationalistic!

I would put them on ultranationalist category as many become incredibly angry when even smallest criticism is presented towards China.

 

[Foinikas]

I would put them on ultranationalist category as many become incredibly angry when even smallest criticism is presented towards China.

Exactly! It's true! I've noticed it many times here!

 

[comci]

Well, it's not about citizen sentiment, it's about the political party in charge, it's not the people that attend the European Commission..

All 4 now have a left or center left party in charge,

Social Democratic Party of Germany is Center Left
People's Party for Freedom and Democracy of Netherland is Left
Open Flemish Liberals and Democrats of Belgium is Liberal Right
and of course Marcon's Renaissance is Left leaning as well

Of all the European country, I think the only government that have a beef with Muslim and turkey is either Hungary or actually Sweden, without the beef of Greece and Cyprus

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and of course Marcon's Renaissance is Left leaning as well

Emmanuel Macron's Renaissance political party is not left. The party is a liberal and centrist political party in France.

Renaissance (party) - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

People's Party for Freedom and Democracy of Netherland is Left

People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie, VVD) is left? Are you being serious?

The Dutch government: politics in the Netherlands

Who is Dick Schoof and why does the Netherlands even have a king?

www.expatica.com

Rechts (politiek) - Wikipedia

nl.wikipedia.org

De volgende Nederlandse partijen worden in het algemeen tot rechts gerekend van groot naar klein:

English translation:

The following Dutch parties are generally considered to belong to the right from largest to smallest:

• Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie (VVD)
• Partij voor de Vrijheid (PVV)
• Christen-Democratisch Appèl (CDA)
• Forum voor Democratie (FVD)
• Staatkundig Gereformeerde Partij (SGP)
• Juiste Antwoord 21 (JA21)
• BoerBurgerBeweging (BBB)

The Dutch government just disband 2 days ago because of the muslim migration issue. The VVD, the political party of prime minister Rutte, has a hard time to to cooperate with the left political party of D66 with regard to asylum seekers. Rutte is a cunning politician, he deliberately crush the the dutch coalition government because he knew based on the latest poll that right wing parties are rising and left leaning political parties are losing big. We will get new election in november. The BBB political party ( a right wing conservative political party) has won majority of voters during the last province election, which will translate into major general election win.

Well, it's not about citizen sentiment, it's about the political party in charge, it's not the people that attend the European Commission..

Sure, if you are a politician, you ignored people's sentiment, the voters will get rid of you in the next election. So people sentiment does matter, even if you denied it. So many examples of politician in democratic countries who claim non sense just to please voters, and yet you claim citizen sentiment does not count... really?
Did you paid attention to the riot in France where the migrants are having fun with arson? Do you think it wil affect the average french votes towards minorities/ third world migration to France?


You really need to stop sprouting non sense. I read some of your comments on these forum, many infos you spread here lacks too many adequate information, facts etc which many guillible readers here consider as facts by lack of education/experience/knowledge.

 

[jhungary]

Emmanuel Macron's Renaissance political party is not left. The party is a liberal and centrist political party in France.

Renaissance (party) - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie, VVD) is left? Are you being serious?

The Dutch government: politics in the Netherlands

Who is Dick Schoof and why does the Netherlands even have a king?

www.expatica.com

Rechts (politiek) - Wikipedia

nl.wikipedia.org

De volgende Nederlandse partijen worden in het algemeen tot rechts gerekend van groot naar klein:

English translation:

The following Dutch parties are generally considered to belong to the right from largest to smallest:

• Volkspartij voor Vrijheid en Democratie (VVD)
• Partij voor de Vrijheid (PVV)
• Christen-Democratisch Appèl (CDA)
• Forum voor Democratie (FVD)
• Staatkundig Gereformeerde Partij (SGP)
• Juiste Antwoord 21 (JA21)
• BoerBurgerBeweging (BBB)

The Dutch government just disband 2 days ago because of the muslim migration issue. The VVD, the political party of prime minister Rutte, has a hard time to to cooperate with the left political party of D66 with regard to asylum seekers. Rutte is a cunning politician, he deliberately crush the the dutch coalition government because he knew based on the latest poll that right wing parties are rising and left leaning political parties are losing big. We will get new election in november. The BBB political party ( a right wing conservative political party) has won majority of voters during the last province election, which will translate into major general election win.

First of all, Marcon party is left leaning, I didn't say they were left.

Second of all, People's Party for Freedom and Democracy is Liberal Right, they are Center Right by nature, but it's like the Liberal Party of Australia, they are what we considered as Left leaning Conservative. And the very fact that Rutte was deposed by the Left Leaning in their party over Muslim Immigration issue is the testament of that.

Right Wing party are the like of GOP in the US, or Tory in the UK (well, some said they are Left Leaning Conversative as well, but that's for another time) or Sweden Democrats in Sweden or National Rally in France

Sure, if you are a politician, you ignored people's sentiment, the voters will get rid of you in the next election. So people sentiment does matter, even if you denied it. So many examples of politician in democratic countries who claim non sense just to please voters, and yet you claim citizen sentiment does not count... really?
Did you paid attention to the riot in France where the migrants are having fun with arson? Do you think it wil affect the average french votes towards minorities/ third world migration to France?


You really need to stop sprouting non sense. I read some of your comments on these forum, many infos you spread here lacks too many adequate information, facts etc which many guillible readers here consider as facts by lack of education/experience/knowledge.

Dude, do you really think Immigration ALONE will be able to replace a government? This is not a new issue, it has been debated to death in most European Parliament, if so, explain to me how Le Pen lost the last election and how Party like Moderate Party in Sweden cling onto Power.

I studied Politics and have a degree in International Politics, and I vote and follow both British and Sweden election (as well as US and Australian election), and my wife is a Practices Lawyer in Sweden, if you want me to talk to you about Politics and Political Spectrum, open a new thread and I am there. This is not about Politics in Europe.

But if all you want is to call name, i am not interested in mug slinging contest.

 

[MeFishToo]

Turkiye is growing power with its military complex , industry , new gas-oil reserves , rich oil-gas country friends like Qatar , Libya and Turkic States Organization which has tens of trillions of dollars of gas , oil , thorium , uranium , boron , gold , rare-earth metals


Better worry about pathetic EU

The EU depends on Russian Gas
If the supply of Russian gas to Europe were cut off , Europe will freeze without Russian Gas

The European Union aims to achieve energy independence from Russia by 2030
where will the EU find gas ? from MARS ?

The EU needs Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan,Turkiye

The turkish economy is the size of the Netherlands. The economy of the Scandinavian countries combined is twice the size of the economy of Turkey.
No matter how many futuristic scenarios you may dream of, doesnt change facts of the present. Turkey is far from this make believe powerhouse you present in your posts.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Indeed.

EU has much to gain by letting Turkey in but some in Europe are shortsighted.

I agree Turkey can benefit a lot by getting into EU.

But EU members still see EU as a "Christian" club lol.

 

[MMM-E]

The turkish economy is the size of the Netherlands. The economy of the Scandinavian countries combined is twice the size of the economy of Turkey.
No matter how many futuristic scenarios you may dream of, doesnt change facts of the present. Turkey is far from this make believe powerhouse you present in your posts.

Nahhhhhh know your place weak countries

GDP PPP in NATO
1-- USA $26,8 trillion
2-- Germany $5,5 trillion
3-- France $3,87 trillion
4-- The UK $3.84 trillion
5-- Turkiye $3,57 trillion


They use Euro instead of their own currency
and Nobody attack on the Netherlands , Denmark , Norway , Sweden , Finland

on the other hand Turkiye use TL
and Turkish currency dropped by 1.440% between 2013 and 2023
1 USD has risen to 26 TL from 1,8 TL between 2013 and 2023

Also Turkiye lost $1 trillion to fight USA-The EU backed PKK terrorism since 1985
and Turkiye lost over $500 billion to fight USA-France and their terrorists FETO,YPG,etc since 2013

if Turkiye also use Euro , then Turkiye would have minimum $2,5 trillion of GDP nominal instead of $1 trillion



MILITARY POWER
Useless weak Countries The Netherlands , Greece , Denmark , Sweden , Norway , Finland, Bulgaria , Romania , Portugal ,Czech Republic , Letonia , Estonia , Lithainua , Slovakia , Slovenia , Croatia which can not defend themselves and which dont have defense industry

Turkiye has far better Defense Industry than The Netherlands , Greece , Denmark , Sweden , Norway , Finland, Bulgaria , Romania , Portugal , Czech Republic , Letonia , Estonia , Lithainua , Slovakia , Slovenia , Croatia combined


Major Powers in NATO
USA
The UK
Turkiye
France
Germany
Italy

others are useless weak countries without defense industry


Turkish Forces / military bases now in Cyprus , Iraq , Syria , Azerbaijan , Albania , Libya , Qatar , Somalia

Your useless weak countries only can dream about it ....

 

[MeFishToo]

Nahhhhhh know your place weak countries

GDP PPP in NATO
1-- USA $26,8 trillion
2-- Germany $5,5 trillion
3-- France $3,87 trillion
4-- The UK $3.84 trillion
5-- Turkiye $3,57 trillion


They use Euro instead of their own currency
and Nobody attack on the Netherlands , Denmark , Norway , Sweden , Finland

on the other hand Turkiye use TL
and Turkish currency dropped by 1.440% between 2013 and 2023
1 USD has risen to 26 TL from 1,8 TL between 2013 and 2023

Also Turkiye lost $1 trillion to fight USA-The EU backed PKK terrorism since 1985
and Turkiye lost over $500 billion to fight USA-France and their terrorists FETO,YPG,etc since 2013

if Turkiye also use Euro , then Turkiye would have minimum $2,5 trillion of GDP nominal instead of $1 trillion



MILITARY POWER
Useless weak Countries The Netherlands , Greece , Denmark , Sweden , Norway , Finland, Bulgaria , Romania , Portugal ,Czech Republic , Letonia , Estonia , Lithainua , Slovakia , Slovenia , Croatia which can not defend themselves and which dont have defense industry

Turkiye has far better Defense Industry than The Netherlands , Greece , Denmark , Sweden , Norway , Finland, Bulgaria , Romania , Portugal , Czech Republic , Letonia , Estonia , Lithainua , Slovakia , Slovenia , Croatia combined


Major Powers in NATO
USA
The UK
Turkiye
France
Germany
Italy

others are useless weak countries without defense industry


Turkish Forces / military bases now in Cyprus , Iraq , Syria , Azerbaijan , Albania , Libya , Qatar , Somalia

Your useless weak countries only can dream about it ....

So what do you think the PPP is for Scandinavian taking his salary to Turkey? You PPP stats means zero when comparing economies between contries. The turkish military budget is the size of Spains, and still smaller than the Scandinavians combined. The turkish armed forces main object is to control Turkey, and its a 75% conscripted army doing the job.
Your rambling about turkish military power is ridiculous and so is your posts about turkish defence industry.