Finland doubling NATO’s border with Russia in blow to Putin [Finland joins NATO]

[KAL-EL]

Could be finalland by the time the Ruskies finish with it.

Yeah.. yeah sure.

 

[BON PLAN]

Russia is going to deploy nuclear weapons again near its borders touching Finland and Kaliningrad. Return of the cold war. That will have far reaching negative consequences for whole of Europe in the long term.
When you mess with an adversary who can reply in the same tone no one wins actually and both sides suffer.
US& NATO did a stupid mistake by messing in Ukraine .What they achieved is the return of the cold war. Same old nuclear holocaust fears, same old excess military spending etc.

Only show of force.
Rusiia already have hundreds nuclear warheads ready, stores just some hundreds kilometers away the new location. It changes nothing. Only showing its muscles...

 

[khansaheeb]

Yeah.. yeah sure.

Hope you aren't a closet Nazi?

 

[KAL-EL]

Hope you aren't a closet Nazi?

No, but I am a closet Count Dracula

 

[BHAN85]

You do know Finland, in term of both troop number and warfare experience are more or less only just behind the US right? Name a NATO country that have 200,000 active duty member ready to go and have 900,000 reserve trained up? Plus that is a big buffer between Russia and NATO, if NATO is to be hit, it would have been Finland first.

Adding Finland into NATO work on NATO favor, not the other way around, that is the exact reason why Finland did not join NATO before this Russian stunt.

I give a shit about conventional war capabilities, a NATO/Russia war would be nuclear, it's not conventional.

This is just a provocation and a diplomatic humiliation for Russia. West Europe is not more secure with Finland inside NATO.

The buffer was when Finland was non-NATO, and that's the reason Finland was not NATO member, because USA in the past had some respect for Russia and avoid a nuclear war, but since USA developed their ABM shields, they lost that respect, starting in the 2010s decade.

Now that Finland is NATO member, a misunderstood and a provocation between NATO and Russia is more easy and likely.

 

[8888888888888]

Look like Russia can now nuke Finland

 

[khansaheeb]

I give a shit about conventional war capabilities, a NATO/Russia war would be nuclear, it's not conventional.

This is just a provocation and a diplomatic humiliation for Russia. West Europe is not more secure with Finland inside NATO.

The buffer was when Finland was non-NATO, and that's the reason Finland was not NATO member, because USA in the past had some respect for Russia and avoid a nuclear war, but since USA developed their ABM shields, they lost that respect, starting in the 2010s decade.

Now that Finland is NATO member, a misunderstood and a provocation between NATO and Russia is more easy and likely.

Finland, Norway and Sweden are insignificant countries and their only importance is making up the numbers in NATO. These countries are feeling exceptionally vulnerable as Ukraine stands between them and Russia. If Ukraine collapses to Russian rule they will panic as they are aware the Russian juggernaut may trample them too. But even greater threat to European security is if China decides to fight NATO through the Russians by supplying huge quantity of lethal arms to the Russian-Ukraine war. That would be a disaster for the Europeans as it would extend and inflame the war even more and tilt the balance in favour of the Russians. Europe nd US would have to invest more resources to the conflict which would weaken their position on Taiwan and reduce the standard of living of their people as money is redirected to the war chests instead of social and health programs. Also India holds the key and both the West and India know it. That is why India is exploiting their position and trying to squeeze as much advantage and concessions as they can from the West. India has leveraged it's strength so much that they have installed their representatives within high ranks in the UK and US.

 

[Muhammed45]

Seems to be common theme among pro-Russian people all over forums & social media. Most have abandoned whole "Russian conquers Europe with military" babbling and go straight to nuclear weapon babble.

You have no idea, you are a fool not to understand the gravity of situation. Turning into a frontline against one of the most powerful countries in the world is not something to be happy about. USA will throw you under the bus when the time comes, even if your best friend, they love their own land more than yours.

In fact Russia was never a serious threat to Finland until now that you have joined NATO alliance. A friend of my enemy is my enemy. USA bombed Japan with nuclear weapons just to scare Soviets, juts to prove its might. It can happen to you too. On the contrary a neutral Finland could gain more benefits in the long run instead of accepting American forces in your land.

From every POV, you are screwed.

 

[jhungary]

I give a shit about conventional war capabilities, a NATO/Russia war would be nuclear, it's not conventional.

This is just a provocation and a diplomatic humiliation for Russia. West Europe is not more secure with Finland inside NATO.

The buffer was when Finland was non-NATO, and that's the reason Finland was not NATO member, because USA in the past had some respect for Russia and avoid a nuclear war, but since USA developed their ABM shields, they lost that respect, starting in the 2010s decade.

Now that Finland is NATO member, a misunderstood and a provocation between NATO and Russia is more easy and likely.

First of all, If you talked nuclear war, then there are only 7 countries, NATO no NATO does not really matters.

Second of all, what make you think if Russia invade Ukraine and US already on Ukrainian side, that would not trigger a nuclear war? or you are saying supporting an active war with Russia is less likely to trigger a war with Russia over someone joining some pact?? That's not really logical.

And finally, I don't know why you care about nuclear war anyway, if that happen, we all die, it's not like they start a nuclear war to kill you only, and it was not in your control anyway, so again, what's the point?

 

[jhungary]

I disagree honestly, 200 tanks, 300IFVs and 1000 APCs is kinda underwhelming for the amount of soldiers they have. Israel got a similar amount of active and reserve soldiers and almost 10 times more tanks and APCs (We don't have IFVs unfortunately, yet), and that's not accounting equipment in storage.

I'm sure their training and gear are way better than the average mobilised Russian. Still, Finland's peacekeeping operations only amount to a few thousand soldiers operating, rarely ever getting into combat situations. That would be like saying Russia is combat experienced because of their operations in Syria. It's true about the guys that served in Syria, not the Russian army.

Russia definitely doesn't have the power to spare in order to fight Finland, but Finland is truly a nation whose doctrine is defensive in nature, their military structure shows it.

Poland is going for an offensive military, with crazy amount of K2 and M1A2 tanks, IFVs and artillery being bought. They'll have the strongest tank force in Europe by far by then.

It really depends.

First of all, terrain of Finland is not really favorable to armour warfare, there aren't really a point to focus on Armour for Finland. unlike Israel, which is largely desert plain.

And second of all, when I say a lot, I mean a lot toward EU and other NATO member, not Israel or Korea or even Japan or Taiwan, to be frank, how many country in NATO can offer that number of mechanised power? I mean 200 Tanks, 300 tracked IFV and 600 High Mobility APC, that 3 Pure ABCT formation or 5 if you put them into Organic structure, on the top of my head, only US, German, Greece, Turkey and now Poland have more than that number, I think France either have similar number or less. That's a lot. IIRC there are about 10 ABCT NATO deployed in CON-EU (US had 3 in Europe, 3 in Nordic Battle Group, 3 with the German--France battlegroup and 1 from the UK) you are talking about 30% increase in ABCT deployment level. That's really a lot.....

 

[BHAN85]

Finland, Norway and Sweden are insignificant countries and their only importance is making up the numbers in NATO. These countries are feeling exceptionally vulnerable as Ukraine stands between them and Russia. If Ukraine collapses to Russian rule they will panic as they are aware the Russian juggernaut may trample them too. But even greater threat to European security is if China decides to fight NATO through the Russians by supplying huge quantity of lethal arms to the Russian-Ukraine war. That would be a disaster for the Europeans as it would extend and inflame the war even more and tilt the balance in favour of the Russians. Europe nd US would have to invest more resources to the conflict which would weaken their position on Taiwan and reduce the standard of living of their people as money is redirected to the war chests instead of social and health programs. Also India holds the key and both the West and India know it. That is why India is exploiting their position and trying to squeeze as much advantage and concessions as they can from the West. India has leveraged it's strength so much that they have installed their representatives within high ranks in the UK and US.

Finland and Sweden ok, but Norway is another story.

Norway is not EU member, and it's NATO member since the beginning.

Norway importance for West Europe is today bigger than ever, as the only important West Europe energy supplier in mainland West-Europe.

Misunderstood with the Russian are now more easy thanks to Finland.

 

[TheK9]

Massive developement.
The main purpose of Invading Ukarain was to kee NATO away from Russian border.
What will Russia do now?

I think Russian kind of knew the outcome of the war, Here me out before going to war every single possibility is played and researched, And Russia was kind of preparing for the war/invasion from 2013 i guess but recently NATO intervention gave him the reason to invade Ukraine.
So my guess is Russia kind of figured out the possibility of West supporting Ukraine and they did which gave Ukraine tactical advantage over Russia.

But the thing is Russian invasion is not quite powerful they are delicately trying to invade Ukraine, not like what USA did in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq, Like full Guns blazing mode. If Russia want then they can make every single inch of land in Ukraine to dust by using artillery while being in russian land only, And if we look on Russia annexation of Crimea then you can see that after annexation Russia got in loss due to building the economy of Crimea and investing lot of money in it. So my thoughts are Russia is trying to Build Soviet Union Again.
And In short term Russia is losing the war, but when considering the long term Russia have a proper plan (I think), West at some point have to stop sending Weapons to Ukraine, I mean they can't support a war going on for like a 5 years and so and Europe economy is gonna suffer from this a lot.
In conclusion Russias current tactics to send troops until they empty there ammo. And other countries joining NATO is threat to NATO itself as more the boders share with Russia the more bigger problem it will become.
And even is USA is able to put a Nuclear missle pointing at Russia in Finland, but they won't be able to stop a NATO vs Russia war (World War 3) and in this war nobody will Win especially USA and Russia.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Lol, it is Russia that started the war

Ok blue eyed boy of uncle Sam.

 

[khansaheeb]

Ok blue eyed boy of uncle Sam.

How do you know he is blue eyed and a bastard of Uncle Sam?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Look like Russia can now nuke Finland

Not with St Petersburg only 150km from the border.