Turkey’s ‘marry your rapist’ law has taken women’s rights right back to the 1950s

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

A girl will not marry her rapist. Never. Only if she is mentally ill.

Seems like you have the brain of a toddler as well that you don't understand such a law is only a loophole for a morally corrupt society to use to pressure the girl into marrying her rapist because;

1) For a society full of people like you, the girl's virginity matters more and she will be treated like garbage in society.

2) She might have become pregnant.

It is your assumption that the girl will never marry her rapist.

There are many reasons why the girl may marry.

Anyway the choice is always with the girl.

Of course virginity matters. Now being virgin is a crime?

 

[GlobalMillitary96]

More of that sharia bashing. Relax Turkey aint no saudi or afghanistan.

Even if Turkey did sharia it would be different to saudis. Look to Turkic and Islamic history of the Turks.

Compare it to saudis and afghanis. Turks even before Ataturk balanced the power between ruler and religion. Religious clerics may have had power but the ruler held the power in the end.

Religious clerics need to be put in check if not they abuse their power.

Plus us Turks are mostly hanafi and maturidi compare that to wahabis who take everything literal.

Look at central asia see how the people there lost there religion and traditions thanks to the soviet bastards.

Now look at Turkey today we havent even lost our religion so much for secular Turkey being bad as some people love to suggest.

There is a reason why we have the Diyanet. Ataturk was a smart man he even knew that religion has to be balanced.

Thats why Turkey is a model to any Muslim country.

Bro if Turkey switched to Shariah it would be the end of the nation. Turkey as we know it would collapse. It would be a blessing for all our enemies. All our neighbouring countries will be celebrating.

Don't forget that they have been Arabizing Turkish Islam for years. It's not the same as it was 50 years ago.

It would essentially split the Turkish nation even more. Islamists would be further emboldened and would likely try to destroy anything related to Ataturk and Secular Turkish nationalism. Secular nationalists will be trapped between Islamists and Kurdish separatists. This would lead to instability between the Islamists and Nationalists, meanwhile the Kurdish separatists would be gaining strength.

In central Asia the authorities weren't doing their jobs by cracking down on Radicals. However in Turkey thousands were arrested over the past few years. Trust me, there are a lot of radical Salafist-type Islamists in Turkey. These bastards have been funded since the 80s. Luckily due to backlash and the power of Turkish secular nationalism, these types of people are in decline.

 

[Nein]

Bro if Turkey switched to Shariah it would be the end of the nation. Turkey as we know it would collapse. It would be a blessing for all our enemies. All our neighbouring countries will be celebrating.

Don't forget that they have been Arabizing Turkish Islam for years. It's not the same as it was 50 years ago.

It would essentially split the Turkish nation even more. Islamists would be further emboldened and would likely try to destroy anything related to Ataturk and Secular Turkish nationalism. Secular nationalists will be trapped between Islamists and Kurdish separatists. This would lead to instability between the Islamists and Nationalists, meanwhile the Kurdish separatists would be gaining strength.

In central Asia the authorities weren't doing their jobs by cracking down on Radicals. However in Turkey thousands were arrested over the past few years. Trust me, there are a lot of radical Salafist-type Islamists in Turkey. These bastards have been funded since the 80s. Luckily due to backlash and the power of Turkish secular nationalism, these types of people are in decline.

About central asia you are true but who allows the saudis to bring their bullcrap. Soviets did a lot of damage with their communist bullshit. So the saudis came here we will teach your religion.

Central Asian Islam would no doubt kick Saudis and their salafism out of the country.

In many ways Turks know how to balance religion and secular power. Timur can also be seen as an example.

I get what you mean too. I prefer secular militarists or secular nationalists over secular liberals or secular progressives any day of the week.

Secular nationalists or militarists leave your religion alone anyway but if you start going against the state thats when they kick your ***.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

As a student of Islamic Fiqh, I can tell you guys there is absolutely no leniency in the law to punish rape. The punishment is execution, and anything less would be injustice. In this case the victim is sinless.

This law, if it exists, is unislamic and almost reminds me of Kyrgyz bride kidnapping custom, whose origins are in Jahaliyyah.

Remember Chingiz Khan's father Yesugei kidnapped his mother Hoelun from a rival tribe, the Merkits. This custom was prevalent in Mongolia.

Even Chingiz Khan's wife Borte was kidnapped by the Merkits in revenge of what his father had done, that is why some said his first born Jochi was not his actual son.

In the turkish section. Find another one here, where almost Pakis are involved. Virginity is important in the third world. Thx for enlighting.

Please don't use such terms, Pakistanis is the proper word.

 

[Nein]

As a student of Islamic Fiqh, I can tell you guys there is absolutely no leniency in the law to punish rape. The punishment is execution, and anything less would be injustice. In this case the victim is sinless.

This law, if it exists, is unislamic and almost reminds me of Kyrgyz bride kidnapping custom, whose origins are in Jahaliyyah.

Remember Chingiz Khan's father Yesugei kidnapped his mother Hoelun from a rival tribe, the Merkits. This custom was prevalent in Mongolia.

Even Chingiz Khan's wife Borte was kidnapped by the Merkits in revenge of what his father had done, that is why some said his first born Jochi was not his actual son.



Please don't use such terms, Pakistanis is the proper word.

Nomadic society was brutal, tough and ruthless. The kidnapping aspect is bad but there is many good qualities of nomads like honour, chivalry and family values also their horsemanship.

Thats why the Turks and Mongols and other nomads were tough and brutal soldiers.

Nomadic tribes and their warlike ways only ended thanks to gunpowder and the mass production of guns.

 

[JackTheRipper]

But... if there are more than one Rapist 2, 3 or 4,
who will marry the victim girl ?

and if victim is man/boy ? can they marry in Turkey ?

 

[dBSPL]

But... if there are more than one Rapist 2, 3 or 4,
who will marry the victim girl ?

and if victim is man/boy ? can they marry in Turkey ?

There is no such thing in the content of the law proposal. Please keep your rapist imagination to yourself.

 

[Old School]

Local customs are very important in Islamic jurisprudence and Islam is very flexible on this regard , contrary to popular perceptions. All four major Imams of Sunni school of thoughts or Madhabs emphasized on local customs while deliberating their judgements on various issues. However, this is a very difficult subject for those people who do not accept the supremacy of Allah over other rules and regulations. Does Islam owe any explanation of it's jurisprudence to the non believers ? Not at all.
The West never asks opinions from the Islamic world before formulating their own rules and regulations which they claim to be 'universal' !

 

[rajvoSa]

this has nothing to do with islam or sharia. As many of such reactionary laws in ME region its a cultural shit which some then use islam to justify it fausly. As I remeber rapist under sharia go straight to the gollows. There are few crimes if any that are more looked up on as gruosome as rape by clasical islamic jurespudence.

Erdogan will veto this law if it comes to pass, Im certain of it. If true.

Local customs are very important in Islamic jurisprudence and Islam is very flexible on this regard , contrary to popular perceptions. All four major Imams of Sunni school of thoughts or Madhabs emphasized on local customs while deliberating their judgements on various issues. However, this is a very difficult subject for those people who do not accept the supremacy of Allah over other rules and regulations. Does Islam owe any explanation of it's jurisprudence to the non believers ? Not at all.
The West never asks opinions from the Islamic world before formulating their own rules and regulations which they claim to be 'universal' !

local customs are taken into acccount only if they are notgoing against the core principles of islam. And this one does. Rapist go to the gallows by Sharia.

 

[Old School]

this has nothing to do with islam or sharia. As many of such reactionary laws in ME region its a cultural shit which some then use islam to justify it fausly. As I remeber rapist under sharia go straight to the gollows. There are few crimes if any that are more looked up on as gruosome as rape by clasical islamic jurespudence.

Erdogan will veto this law if it comes to pass, Im certain of it. If true.



local customs are taken into acccount only if they are notgoing against the core principles of islam. And this one does. Rapist go to the gallows by Sharia.

Are you sure that convicted Rapists automatically go to gallow ? That is not true. It all depends on the person and circumstances. You need to study Sharia. The bar is very high in Sharia before one can be considered a convicted rapist. Quran does not have any provision which is specific about Rape. Adultery ? Yes.

 

[rajvoSa]

Are you sure that convicted Rapists automatically go to gallow ? That is not true. It all depends on the person and circumstances. You need to study Sharia. The bar is very high in Sharia before one can be considered a convicted rapist. Quran does not have any provision which is specific about Rape. Adultery ? Yes.

Yes. So do are (HIGH BARS) in other laws. But if convicted you are gonan get your head chopped off. You certanly will not be permited to marry your victim.

 

[Old School]

Yes. So do are in other laws. But if convicted you are gonan get your head chopped off. You certanly will not a marry your victim.

Death penalty in case of rape is not Hudud or mandatory in Islam. If something is not Hudud, alternative punishments are allowed. Chopping off head for rape offence could be a local custom .

 

[rajvoSa]

Death penalty in case of rape is not Hudud or mandatory in Islam. Chopping off head for rape offence could be a local custom .

Its a figure of speach. We now have more sutable ways of enforcing the death penalty. Guys back then didnt have abilities that we now do. Starting from the way of colecting evidence ( video, vaginal tests and so on) to ways of enforcing in this case a death penalty .You really think that if back then ppl had lethal injections or other ways that they would use swords/beheadings? Or even if not a death penalty, it should be at least a long, long prison sentence, like 20 year4s to life.

 

[Old School]

Its a figure of speach. We now have more sutable ways of enforcing the death penalty. Guys back then didnt have abilities that we now do. Starting from the way of colecting evidence ( video, vaginal tests and so on) to ways of enforcing in this case a death penalty .You really think that if back then ppl had lethal injections or other ways that they would use swords/beheadings? Or even if not a death penalty, it should be at least a long, long prison sentence, like 20 year4s to life.

There are only 4 offences which requires mandatory death penalty in Islam. Rape is not one of them. People need to know more.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

If the bill passes there will be some pretty big protests.

It'll be funny if his supporters try to counter-protest and get shot with rubber bullets again.


He's been making so many mistakes lately, one of them is bound to push the edge. He needs to go. We need a competent leader or else our future isn't going to be good.

He is not making mistakes society become to liberal just slowly bringing em back, its not easy to marry someone either its first 2nd third or forth there is no punishment if two people do adultry cuz both agress when there sud be punishment on that aswell but since its too harsh for liberal someone initiate from somewhere. Islam have solution for everything but are we ready to follow, as long as the lady is ready to accept that male. weather she accept or not rapist sud get punishment.