Turkey introduces law that pardons rapists if they marry their victims

[mangekyo]

Stay on topic please. If you wish to bash Iran, feel free to open up a new thread and bash until your keyboards are destroyed. But this thread is about the Turkish law that protects pedophiles and child rapists, it has nothing do with Iran.

 

[Philosopher]

you feel attacked? why?

we post facts or the same thing you did.. but a weak mind cannot handly such things..

so this comparison is valid..

You're posting irrelevant comments not related to this topic. This topic is about Turkey's law that was passed. Stick to topic please.

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Here is a good article on it by the Guardian:

Turkish activists oppose amnesties for child rapists


Draft law could see release of men jailed for child abuse if they marry their victim


Protesters hold a banner reading ‘Women resist male domination’ as they march in Istanbul in 2016, when a similar bill was proposed. Photograph: Ozan Köse/AFP via Getty Images
Turkey’s ruling party has begun a second attempt at introducing a law to grant rapists amnesty as long as they marry their victim, four years after a similar bill sparked outrage at home and internationally.

The legislation, which was first debated by parliament on 16 January, would give men suspended sentences for child sex offences if the two parties get married and the age difference between them is less than 10 years.

Opposition parties and women’s rights groups have been quick to point out that the bill in effect legitimises child marriage and statutory rape in a country where the legal age of consent is 18.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s conservative Justice and Development party (AKP) has said the proposal is designed to deal with Turkey’s widespread child marriage problem.

However, Fidan Ataselim, the general secretary of the activist group We Will Stop Femicide, said the new bill was an attempt by the government to erase evidence of Turkey’s growing epidemic of violence against girls and women.

The group, which has tracked gender-related violence and deaths since Turkish authorities stopped doing so in 2009, estimates that more than 2,600 women have been murdered in the last decade, and the number of killings has increased steadily each year.

According to the UN, 38% of Turkish women have suffered physical or sexual violence from a partner.

“In 2016 the government introduced a [similar] draft law on amnesty for child abuse perpetrators. All women stood against it and the bill was withdrawn after our protests,” she said. “If they dare to try again, we will fight against it again.”

Writing in the Cumhuriyet newspaper, Dr Adem Sözüer, the head of Istanbul University’s criminal and criminal procedure law department, said the new bill was likely to increase rates of violence against women and children because it “legitimises the mentality that women are objects to possess or exist for sexual satisfaction”.

Protests against the proposed legislation were held around the country this month. A date for a second reading in parliament has not yet been set.

“Marry your rapist” clauses are present in legislation relating to sexual consent in many countries in the Middle East and Latin America. In recent years such loopholes have been closed after protests against them in Lebanon, Jordan and Tunisia.

Turkey appears to have travelled in the opposite direction. After abolishing such laws in 2005, a 2016 bill that would have allowed the release from prison of men guilty of assaulting a minor if the aggressor married the victim and the act was committed without “force or threat” provoked widespread fury and was eventually defeated.

Ankara insisted that the bill’s intention was distorted by critics. “There are people who get married before reaching the legal age. They just don’t know the law,” the then prime minister Binali Yıldırım said at the time, adding that the measure aimed to “get rid of this injustice”.

His comments were echoed by the justice minister Bekir Bozdağ, who said marriages involving minors were “unfortunately a reality” in Turkey but the men involved “were not rapists or sexual aggressors”.


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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/23/turkish-activists-oppose-amnesties-for-child-rapists

 

[xenon54 out]

Clearly, you're the one that requires a lesson in reading comprehension. I stated you posted your "defence" i.e defence on the claim you made. I did not say you're "defending the law"

Just stick to the actual topic and don't resort to whataboutisms. If you want to open a thread on Iran, then do so but trying to defend this law by posting out flaws in other nations is a fallacy. You've posted your "defence" already, now let people judge for themselves.

Lol now you cant even comprehend your own posting, is it because english is not your first language? Tell me what did you do in GB all this time?
And before you come up with it, yes my english is bad, its only my third language, but i at least think/read before i post.

Obviously you're running desperate now that you have to resort to these cheap tactics.

Why should i be desperate? Do you think i struggle argumenting against a wanna be philosopher on the Internet?
You should first understand what you post before you can make me desperate.

Oh and just so you know, posting the same thing multiple times wont make your arguments more valid.

Wouldn't it be much easier just to lower the age that automatically triggers statutory rape?

Can you imagine the headlines then?

 

[Philosopher]

Lol now you cant even comprehend your own posting, is it because english is not your first language? Tell me what did you do in GB all this time?
And before you come up with it, yes my english is bad, its only my third language, but i at least think/read before i post.

I was referring to my very first comment. You did continue to start to defend this topic actually. Because your so called defence was not based on facts from what I can see.

Why should i be desperate? Do you think i struggle argumenting against a wanna be philosopher on the Internet?
You should first understand what you post before you can make me desperate.

But you are struggling sadly, given you're only resorting to whatabousitsms.

 

[Timur]

men jailed for child abuse if they marry their victim

man = 18 years old
child = 17 years old
both in love but one a victim in law and the other a rapist in law..

there are othjer flaws in this law I mentioned in another thread go and read if you can.. you call yourself philosopher I would expact that you can read and think about it.. so go and read..

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Thread re-opened

Please focus on the specifics of the Turkish law only.

If there needs to be a discussion and/or comparison on the laws of other countries, perhaps open another thread.

And please leave insults/abuse out of this.

I would also point out that posting opinion pieces from even respectable organizations is just propagating another 'opinion'. If you really want to have a productive discussion, read the law yourselves and bring up sections that you think support your position. If you are going to quote opinion pieces, remember that they are subjective and could be taking certain things out of context.

Both Turkish and Iranian Muslims should be well aware of the opinion pieces in the West that cherry pick verses from the Quran and/or Hadith to malign Islam, so when reading opinion pieces do your own research instead of just hiding behind them or bashing them.

man = 18 years old
child = 17 years old
both in love but one a victim in law and the other a rapist in law..

there are othjer flaws in this law I mentioned in another thread go and read if you can.. you call yourself philosopher I would expact that you can read and think about it.. so go and read..

Well, you have to draw a line somewhere, otherwise you'll keep going down the scale.

If 17 is OK because it's just one year younger than 18, then why not 16, which is just one year younger than 17, or 15, which is just one year younger than 16 ... etc etc